To recap; they bumped up spending per student by a significant amount. And graduation rates plummeted. Great leadership
springfield/joplin area conferences
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Webb City High School serves 1,223 students in grades 9-12.
The student:teacher ratio of 16:1 is higher than the MO average of 13:1.
Minority enrollment is 12% of the student body (majority Hispanic), which is less than the state average of 28%.
Webb City High School operates within the Webb City R-vii School District.
The school district's 93% graduation rate is higher than the MO state average of 86%.
The student:teacher ratio of 16:1 is higher than the MO average of 13:1.
Minority enrollment is 12% of the student body (majority Hispanic), which is less than the state average of 28%.
Webb City High School operates within the Webb City R-vii School District.
The school district's 93% graduation rate is higher than the MO state average of 86%.
Btw. I follow webb city football. .i live in joplin ..my daughter attends college heights and will never set foot in a joplin public school
Why the hate hitch ? Really why ?
Dr huff the ex super at Joplin is gone ! The people finally have positive change! The had a rough few years no doubt but the tornado help the old administration hide the poor results ! Everything was blamed on the tornado but now we are turning the corner . Positive things are happening you will see the scores come up in the next few years .
Hitch did you play around 2003 at Webb and your dad used to coach ??
Dr huff the ex super at Joplin is gone ! The people finally have positive change! The had a rough few years no doubt but the tornado help the old administration hide the poor results ! Everything was blamed on the tornado but now we are turning the corner . Positive things are happening you will see the scores come up in the next few years .
Hitch did you play around 2003 at Webb and your dad used to coach ??
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Card beat ill ask around if I'm wrong I have no problem admitting it . I feel confident I'm right but let me check my facts !
I like the competition in the coc large but it seems like it's getting a bit full, leaving little to no room for non conference games which I personally enjoy. Maybe school admins like the idea of not having to mess with it though?
Maybe I'm the only one, but I like the idea of grouping Joplin, cj, Webb, Carthage, and neosho as a west division or something. And maybe do an every other year thing with the Springfield area (east) schools. So in a given season Webb for example would play all the West teams and half the east teams. The next season they would again play all the west teams and the other half of the east teams. Taking advantage of more local competition is good for both teams and their fans and saves time and money. Joplin has the most to be gained by that but I think it would be good for all the Joplin area schools. Who cares if they are larger than the other schools, as others have mentioned Webb and Carthage play Joplin in practically every other sport already.
And not that it matters but the name central Ozarks does not accurately describe the geography of the members, so maybe call it the 417 or Ozarks metro conference or something silly like that. Take the coc small and just make it its own thing entirely.
Maybe I'm the only one, but I like the idea of grouping Joplin, cj, Webb, Carthage, and neosho as a west division or something. And maybe do an every other year thing with the Springfield area (east) schools. So in a given season Webb for example would play all the West teams and half the east teams. The next season they would again play all the west teams and the other half of the east teams. Taking advantage of more local competition is good for both teams and their fans and saves time and money. Joplin has the most to be gained by that but I think it would be good for all the Joplin area schools. Who cares if they are larger than the other schools, as others have mentioned Webb and Carthage play Joplin in practically every other sport already.
And not that it matters but the name central Ozarks does not accurately describe the geography of the members, so maybe call it the 417 or Ozarks metro conference or something silly like that. Take the coc small and just make it its own thing entirely.
sw5890 the only reason I do not like your plan is you have the matter of not being able to name a true conference champion.
I thought of that and the direction I was thinking was something to the effect of an east and west champion kind of similar to how some college conferences operate that have too many teams. I don't claim to know the first thing about scheduling but perhaps it would be possible to leave a slot open in all the member teams schedule late in the season with the purpose of playing an east v west champion for the full title. I know there are complications with that, and what would the other teams do, just thinking outside the box. I'd just like to see local teams play more football games in the local area. It seems kind of silly to drive 2 hours to play Branson when Joplin and CJ are 10 minutes away. Adding CJ to the COC will help, but I think Joplin would be a great add as well, the only negative being that it would rule out games like Pittsburg which I agree with others that it has always been a good (and tough) match for Webb and maybe other teams in the area. From an athletic perspective I too think it was a mistake not splitting Joplin into 2 HS after the tornado. There may be benefits to consolidation but if they had split back into 2 class 4/5 schools, then the Joplin area could have a nice conference all it's own and the need to travel to Springfield and beyond to find similar sized competitive schools may not be necessary.
Another idea is the possibility of Joplin, CJ, Neosho, Webb, Carthage and add Pittsburg to form their own conference entirely, call it the MoKan conference or something. Again, I don't know if that would be popular or even possible but it's another idea.
I heard it was Branson that didn't want Joplin in. Everybody else did. It only takes one school to vote no and they don't get in?
I Like it It could be called The Central Ozarks Confrence and Kansas
The C....O....C..... wait never mind.
I love this idea. I would combine the two largest and two smallest divisions for the other sports. Would make for some interesting league races in other sports.
One thing I would propose however is keeping Central an independent ... They maybe more competitive in football, but some of the other sports, I don't want to see that. Look at who their softball team is playing, then imagine them taking on Ozark. The same is true in other sports, such as baseball.
Not taking a shot at Central, but it is what it is. I don't think anyone benefits from them being in the largest division ...
JHS voice did yours come from the high school (your information) mine came from a local superintendent and a local athletic director. I would imagine you have information from somebody that knows . The vote should just have to be majority that's too bad that one school or two schools can throw a kink in it.
I think we should try to get in again and do a much better job of Lobbying
Maybe Joplin can raise their level of play and be Webbs big Rivalry game who knows it could be better than Pittsburg or Har-ber someday you never know
Let me reiterate... Jopin was voted out 13-3, WC, Carthage, & Neosho voted for them to join. These are the facts.
Remember in my proposal Central could easily move down after year one. In fact, they'd probably be playing East Newton, Buffalo, Forsyth and others in only three short years!
Well how is your Information better than mine or jhs voice ? Please explain . I've been told twice that Cathage voted no I've been told once Webb and Carthage . You may be right but that means a super and ad same school doesn't know the facts or they're lying lol both are stand up guys ! So I doubt that .
Believe what you want. I was simply trying to resolve all these rumors flying around.
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Well I have known WCfan for most of my life since he went to school with my much older brother and I can tell you he is much to old to have his butt whipped by Parkwood.
Man, you're killing me. I dread the West Plains/Joplin trips from Camdenton on a rotating basis. Now you want me to climb on a yellow dog to go to Branson, Neosho, Carthage, Webb, AND West Plains??? Can I send you my chiropractor bill? LOL
Eagles_Ball, you really bring up a subject that I find challenging. There's a small group including Rolla, Waynesville, and Camdenton that are really isolated from the higher quantity groupings of mid to larger size schools in this conversation. And of course West Plains is really on its own island.
When I try to break this out geographically, the Springfield area winds up with too many larger schools for its own football conference and the Joplin area is close to having enough. But for the Joplin area "west" division, you practically recreate the old Southwest Conference that especially Webb City was anxious to move on from.
You could try a combination Joplin/Springfield thing, where the schools closest to those two cities would have their short trips and then otherwise one hour bus rides. But this leaves Branson, the first 4 schools in my thread, and other various schools on their own (Lebanon, Bolivar, Marshfield, etc).
This is why I pitch the southwest Missouri mega conference idea. Then maybe you have to have four division committees, because it would be a nightmare getting 40 school reps to agree on things.
When I try to break this out geographically, the Springfield area winds up with too many larger schools for its own football conference and the Joplin area is close to having enough. But for the Joplin area "west" division, you practically recreate the old Southwest Conference that especially Webb City was anxious to move on from.
You could try a combination Joplin/Springfield thing, where the schools closest to those two cities would have their short trips and then otherwise one hour bus rides. But this leaves Branson, the first 4 schools in my thread, and other various schools on their own (Lebanon, Bolivar, Marshfield, etc).
This is why I pitch the southwest Missouri mega conference idea. Then maybe you have to have four division committees, because it would be a nightmare getting 40 school reps to agree on things.
Webb City's emergence had nothing to do with Joplin. It had to do with the current head coach of Minnesota. Which btw was several years after Joplin merged.
Oh no, I totally get it. We, along with the other two schools you mentioned really are the anomalies. Like you said, larger schools isolated from other of our size...My back and backside just start cringing when thinking of those bus rides!
What makes sense to me is to have Lebanon, Waynesville, Camdenton, and Rolla go in with JC and the three Columbia schools to form a league. I know that would make a few farther trips for Lebanon but regionally it makes a lot of sense I think. Many of them end up districted together anyway in a lot of sports because of proximity. Could even throw Helias into the mix.
Lebanon
Camdenton
Waynesville
Rolla
Jefferson City
Helias
Hickman
Battle
Rock Bridge
Lebanon
Camdenton
Waynesville
Rolla
Jefferson City
Helias
Hickman
Battle
Rock Bridge
Now your thinking. Those schools could use a conference I think, JC, Hickman RB, Battle
It didn't take much talking by Coach Ellis to convince us our sport wasn't football anyway
If JC would ever build the second high school, this wouldn't be horrible. Their enrollment numbers are off the charts. Now that Columbia has the third school, and Tolton, the enrollments at those schools is closer to the OC schools that would join. Not the worst travel ever. If I'm Lebanon, I think I'd look into staying with Spfd area vs this travel. All speculative obviously, and fun to talk about. Heck, I like the pre/post game meal options in COMO...so lets do it!
Several good points in here. One thing to keep in mind is the best conference for football may be not the ideal conference for other sports. I don't think you can go solely by enrollment or by geography. For example while Webb City has dominated COC football in some sports WC is at best middle of the pack overall.
West Plains is a tough case since there are no other schools close to them. Branson is probably closest and that is 1 1/2 hours so there is no great way to accommodate all.
Speaking of Branson, I have nothing against them and they have been a good conference rival over the years but I would sure prefer a home and home with Joplin to a home and watch the game on high school cube (being honest) with Branson.
Somebody had mentioned before about when WC,Carthage and Neosho left the COC. While it is apparent that Nevada and McDonald County were not on balance on the same level in football as the other 3 I think the move was to ensure the additional conference games. Webb City with a 10 games schedule at the time was looking for 6 non-conference games every year and 2-3 times were stuck with open dates.
If Joplin did split into 2 schools I could definitely see how the 2 Joplin schools could join with the old SW Conference + CJ for an 8 team league.
Having said that I think Joplin is committed to staying as one school so I think the current arrangement is about as good as you get.
West Plains is a tough case since there are no other schools close to them. Branson is probably closest and that is 1 1/2 hours so there is no great way to accommodate all.
Speaking of Branson, I have nothing against them and they have been a good conference rival over the years but I would sure prefer a home and home with Joplin to a home and watch the game on high school cube (being honest) with Branson.
Somebody had mentioned before about when WC,Carthage and Neosho left the COC. While it is apparent that Nevada and McDonald County were not on balance on the same level in football as the other 3 I think the move was to ensure the additional conference games. Webb City with a 10 games schedule at the time was looking for 6 non-conference games every year and 2-3 times were stuck with open dates.
If Joplin did split into 2 schools I could definitely see how the 2 Joplin schools could join with the old SW Conference + CJ for an 8 team league.
Having said that I think Joplin is committed to staying as one school so I think the current arrangement is about as good as you get.
You've got that right. Springfield is 100 miles away. Camdenton, Lebanon, Rolla, and Waynesville are all 100-140 mile trips. And then the dreaded Joplin trip is 170ish miles. That beats going to Poplar Bluff, Sikeston, and Cape Girardeau for districts for about 4 years straight though haha. That Cape trip was a 200-miler. SEMOs stadium was alright though.
Helias would be all over this proposition. It would help with scheduling, travel, and good games that are reasonable travel. The gates revenue would be good as well.
