Monett beat Maryville to win the class 3 title in 16, but lost to Lamar who won the class 2. Maryville is only a power house in their own minds.
Small public schools have zero chance
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If you believe that, then you are a special kind of stupid.
Nobody else is on here claiming that Lamar only won because Maryville got moved up and beating their chest besides Maryville!
LN's best player is not playing until mid season due to transfer rules and his prior school not releasing him.
This is accurate.
Last year at Trinity, Williams was unable to graduate early to enroll at Illinois
Showing my age but I started reading "Well the reign exploded with a mighty crash" from then on I was singing it not reading it!
I mean the kid transferred and sat out 365 days. Should he not be allowed to ever play again because he transferred? I have no idea who the kid is or why he transferred.
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You just hit on the heart of the issue that keeps coming up about transfers. It’s no coincidence that the fans of schools whose towns only have one public high school are the ones complaining when parents transfer their kids. It starts off as bitching about “stacked teams”, then becomes an issue about whether kids and their families should even have the ability to transfer at all.
So if you transfer, the MSHSAA rule is you can't play for 365 days, so he follows the rules and it still an issue? Or is the issue that the kid transferred at all?
Its the fact he's joining a stacked team, with rules that favor big city. No one else gets such a break besides in a big city. Oh you are a 4-5 star recruit, come here and sit a year. Perfect.
So no one can transfer, and no one can go to a private school, or transfer after they have enrolled in a school..
I just want to make sure I know what is considered ludicrous.
I am sorry you guys feel that way. I grew up in a small town and played private schools, we usually got beat, it had 0 effect on me as a kid or as an adult. Its not unfair, sometimes people live in an area where there are more options, if you would like more options you can move to an area where you have options for your kids.
Very unfair. 'Life isn't fair' isn't an excuse to allow egregious behavior. Not to mention recruiting.
I have no issue with kids transferring or even private schools trying to stack teams. Honestly it is a little embarrassing the lack of success they have had the last couple of years with the way some of these teams have been stacked. If a kid wants to sit out a full year to move schools, I have no issue, I think it is nuts to give up 25% of your HS career but what ever, not my concern. I do have an issue with kids transferring and becoming immediately eligible, yes it has happened multiple times in the last 5 years.
You will feel differently when some of these juggernauts don’t have quite as good of teams to knock them off. Lamar (longest running public school championship run during the streak) Blair Oaks (Best RPO in the state last year) The only reason there’s been little success with recruitment and transferring is because of these type of teams. Those teams can’t stay that consistent forever. Then who’s stopping them? No one. STL will win with those abilities most of the championships. My issue is mainly based on regardless of current success. It will change. Once it does? All you can hope for is a coach decides to leave, or something along those lines and kids want to play elsewhere and that’s the only school like that in your class.
I don’t know if getting to 1 Sectional, 2 Quarterfinals, 2 Semifinals and sending 42 kids on to play college football on academic and athletic scholarships over the last 5 years qualifies as a “lack of success”. Public schools have residency requirements. If your family leaves the district, then you MUST change schools. I don’t see how that should result in a kid losing a year of participation. Kids have been transferring and getting eligibility exceptions for DECADES. It didn’t start 5 years ago ... only the whining and crying did.
seems it started after coaches in the St Louis area were caught giving athletes apartments, cars, and cash to get them to play for them.
When a class 2 school is graduating 3-4 D1 players a year, meaning there are 10 or so on the team at any given time, you would think they would be able to win a State Championship at least once over a 5 year period. Private schools don't have districts, you can't to move to a private school district, you choose to send your kid there regardless where you live. If they don't start there as a freshman you should have to set out a year, same as a public school you may choose to attend. No you do not have to attend the public school district you live in or change schools if your family moves. You can attend any public school you choose, you will have to pay tuition if you do not live in the district. If you choose to change districts without moving to the district you will have to set out 1 year from any activities you wish to participate, same as private schools. Bye the way the whining and crying has been going on for decades also.
Vashon and Pembroke Hill both in basketball . Both were stripped of three state championships if I remember correctly.
Vashon coach and principal Floyd Irons ended up doing jail time
Don’t think it doesn’t happen in football in St Louis also
Irons did jail time for mortgage fraud, as did 3 others in the scheme.
Not because he got kids to go to a public highschool.
Plenty of former Ampipe Bulldogs have done time. I try and steer as many kids in the right direction as I can. Some just make too many bad choices though.
But he was renting them apartments,,,,and providing cars and spending money to his players wasn’t he???? Been a long time but I believe that was the case
Floyd Irons personally spent between $25,000 and $30,000 to house, feed and clothe two Vashon High School basketball players during a five-year period, according to the transcript of his November 12, 2007, interview with officials from the Missouri State High School Activities Association (MSHSAA).
So I was wrong, he did that for 2 kids, but I don't think that had to do with his jail time.
And Pembroke Hill was just flat out paying players !!
Point is people saying this kind of stuff never goes on are just wrong. Hopefully it is exceedingly rare, but when you see players from all over the St Louis metro area flocking to a handful of private schools it makes you wonder
I think you see kids at Trinity and LN because they all played at Herbert Hoover as kids or Dickey or The NCC Cowboys. But I get your point
Thanks for setting the record straight coach. Any idiot with a player roster and a Ste. Gen phonebook (do they still have those), can see that 99% of the names of the jersey's are Ste. Gen county names. You can even tell by the last name as to which kids will go to Ste. Gen and which kids will attend Valle. I think it is so unfair that Valle, a school with 130 kids total, will most likely be playing Class 2 or even 3 in the playoffs next year. All the while dynasty public schools like Lamar, Blair Oaks, and Webb will not be penalized for their repeat success.
The kids Irons paid housing for were living in a bad situation. It's easy to cast judgement on him but his coaching tenure is a lot more complicated. He did some problematic things but he also helped a lot of young men who were in some very bad situations. He also brought a sense of pride to SLPS when there was not much to be proud about.
I love it when people/coaches help kids and families out, but usually what you see is the ones that they are usually helping by providing housing and money can also help them win in their selected sport.
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