Let’s just put private schools in a small division and large division. They can recruit their little hearts out, and “transfer” as well as much as they please.
SG VS VALLE
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Tradition keeps the boys coming out for football. I am pretty sure they do not turn a boy away if he does not play football.
That is not an argument. If so, Calvary Lutheran in Jeff City would be class 6.
Can you name one public school that has that participation percentage?
When's the last time SG and Valle were good at the same time?
30 years ago?
If x > y but y has more friends then y squared > x . You all just looking for the last word. Let the field talk on Friday and leave the private talk alone as that will never be settled in this state.
It really is amazing that Veer is out here using the same arguments he had 5 years ago and is still riling up the Valle crowd.
The truth hurts.
The best part of this whole thread is how a valle guy is crying that they have to play a private school that gets access to more kids than they do.
You literally can't make this stuff up.
St. Gen county has a total population of less than 20k. You take a portion of the near by counties that would be willing to send their kids to go to St. Gen for school (not many) and that doesn't give much of a pool for that school to thrive on especially when you have the public school just down the street also being 3A.
So take it what you would like. Great coaching and youth programs that filter into the high school program helps programs be high successful. Are there limits... of course. But it sure does help when 96% of your entire boy student population goes out for football. That shows passion and school spirit. You will not see that at any public school ever.
On the other side Valle knows the MSHSSA rule. If they are successful at the level they are at they will be bumped up. They tried to fight it in the past but now they are making significant changes at the school to adapt to that new culture. It will take time for them to do that but that is life. They have done a darn good job so far.
Why? This is about privates. I personally don’t think they went far enough. But this wasn’t implemented to toughen things up for public. That would be counterproductive, and btw public schools 99.9 percent of them don’t have the avenues to complete if a big class leaves the same way a private can get kids to transfer or recruited in. This was done to keep things moving so a private doesn’t dominate a class. (At least a lot of it) If a public school dominates a class without having influxes of new students? Then that’s on the rest of the state to figure out how to beat them. Majority of public schools have who they have, if they are good? They are good, if they are bad? (Usually the case for a lot of programs) then they are bad. If a private school isn’t winning titles then they aren’t recruiting hard enough. Because they are freely able to in Missouri. Life may not be fair, but if something is fixable or can be worked on, then you work on it. It’s not a solution to just say “life isn’t fair”.
With a public school who has success who can only use students from a set district (a closed set district) they should not be penalized by being good at something on a regular basis just so they can go try their luck at schools 2-5x their size. Its a matter of a closed school district verses the ability to have students from a bigger arena that is not a standardized set area. That is why and only why the success factor is set to only private schools.
This topic has been talked through time and time again. Lets not open that hornet's nest for no reason. It is not worth the typing. If you want to not have to face a school because they are too good and they are a public school then get good. The state has enrollment numbers to set Classes for a reason. This will not change.
This topic has been talked through time and time again. Lets not open that hornet's nest for no reason. It is not worth the typing. If you want to not have to face a school because they are too good and they are a public school then get good. The state has enrollment numbers to set Classes for a reason. This will not change.
There are many public schools who are constantly benefiting from "move ins". Ask the people in towns around Webb City and Lamar about the number of people leaving their districts and moving to those districts with better teams (in some cases only a few miles) who happen to have talented athletes. Or we all know of stories of dad renting an apartment in the adjacent district so the stud can switch public schools. Or the stud goes to live with an uncle or grandparents in another district to play on a better team. All of which are perfectly legal. It is becoming more and more common, and it seems to be without any downside to a continuous stream of "move ins". The "move in" schools should pay the same price as the privates.
If the school district was caught paying for apartments or paying tuition to attend a public school in a different district then I totally agree. But if a parent decides to sell their house and move to a different district, or take on another rent payment so their child can attend a better school or situation, then why should the district be penalized for that. I think most people's complaint is that Privates can pay the tuition for a student that they hand pick. They're not forgiving tuition for a random person in a bad situation to help get them into a better one.
I think any reasonable person understands that Privates don't play by the same rules whether they blatantly recruit or not. The ability to pull from any where in an area is a lot different than having district boundary lines. Also, how many private schools offer a Special Education Program? I honestly don't know what others do, but in the Mid Mo area I believe Helias started one about 5-6 years ago. There are a fair amount of kids with disabilities that will never play a sport at a public school but count towards the enrollment. I don't think most Privates have that if they don't offer a SPED Program.
If they move its ok
Harrisonvilles all time leading rusher would have been a sr at adrian this year. His family moved and did it all by the book. Has a fast little brother thats a freshman too.
Play by the same rules
I said move ins were legal. Some public schools are getting a steady flow of move ins and dominating because of move ins. There is no penalty at present. Force them to move up a class too.
"Move ins" for obvious athletic reasons have become a common occurrence in the past 10 years at certain public schools. Not much difference than a private school getting players from 25 miles away.
That’s like finding a whole entire state and finding 10 examples a year, while a school like St Mary’s got a majority of Trinity in one offseason. Look at East STL in one season. This argument is always boring, I shouldn’t have engaged lol
Not sure what school you have paid to send your children to, but your arguments who fly here.
People have been whining and complain about Valle since the dawn of the internet it seems like. And while it's so easy to name kids from the Trinity's, St. Mary's, Lutheran North's of the world that have transferred in and played in obvious 'recruiting' situations, never in all these years has a single name or situation been produced of a kid who has played at Valle in any kind of shady circumstances. I don't know if they hardly ever get a 'move in', SG as a town doesn't have a whole lot going for it.
It boils down to this, the arguments/ accusations around Valle are usually trying to establish a competitive imbalance based on demographics or trying to apply the idea that Valle is recruiting in the same way those previously listed STL privates have, & they're all a reach on some level.
Valle is consistently one of the best small school teams in the state for 3 very simple reasons that nobody likes to hear.
1. They do work hard. This doesn't mean they 'Just out work everybody' and nobody else lifts and trains in the off season, that's not what I'm saying. But they definitely take care of business on their own end.
2. They are coached better. They have a system that's been in for a long time and smart coaches who know exactly what theyre looking at & looking for.. and usually have their 11 as the most prepared on the field.
3. MOST Class 1-3 Missouri High School Football teams, are not just not that good. There's nobody in Class 1 this year who would give them a game, a couple in class 2 could, and a handful in class three. They're going to run into a team this week that certainly fits that category and then some.
If you ask people in the Southwest part of the state I would imagine they think the exact same things about Lamar.
It boils down to this, the arguments/ accusations around Valle are usually trying to establish a competitive imbalance based on demographics or trying to apply the idea that Valle is recruiting in the same way those previously listed STL privates have, & they're all a reach on some level.
Valle is consistently one of the best small school teams in the state for 3 very simple reasons that nobody likes to hear.
1. They do work hard. This doesn't mean they 'Just out work everybody' and nobody else lifts and trains in the off season, that's not what I'm saying. But they definitely take care of business on their own end.
2. They are coached better. They have a system that's been in for a long time and smart coaches who know exactly what theyre looking at & looking for.. and usually have their 11 as the most prepared on the field.
3. MOST Class 1-3 Missouri High School Football teams, are not just not that good. There's nobody in Class 1 this year who would give them a game, a couple in class 2 could, and a handful in class three. They're going to run into a team this week that certainly fits that category and then some.
If you ask people in the Southwest part of the state I would imagine they think the exact same things about Lamar.
Don’t bring Lamar into this, also the argument where you mentioned points that’s I’m making has nothing to do with Valle. Read more of the conversation. Let’s be real, they mention Lamar because they think of themselves as the best small school in the state before Lamar came around and lost 2x. It’s from that standard. A lot people assume these things about Valle because they are private and people in their own town even don’t like them. I personally don’t have a problem with Valle. They seem to only draw in the local town. A town that’s no where near the size of STL and there’s not a constant wave of movement. Yeah, anyways…..
I wasn’t referring directly to you or anybody or I would’ve replied to you.. it was a pretty blanket statement on the topic of Valle.
Lamar wasn’t brought in for anything other than to point out if you work hard and are coached better you can generally beat the s*** out of most teams in this state
Lamar wasn’t brought in for anything other than to point out if you work hard and are coached better you can generally beat the s*** out of most teams in this state
So if St Mary!s blankets the Valle receivers and wins big does that mean they are harder workers and better coached?
There are various teams in the state who worked their butts off and won just 3-4 games two years ago and are playing this week with 9 or 10 wins and the same coach. He didn’t suddenly get smarter. He was smart all along. It’s Jimmys and Joes.
Valle has won state championships with 4 or 5 different coaches. They weren’t using “the same system” in the 80s as they do now.
Valle has won state championships with 4 or 5 different coaches. They weren’t using “the same system” in the 80s as they do now.
NO! Good Grief follow along would you! It just means they have a bigger pool of athletes to choose from is all!
You mean like Valle being in a community large enough for a large class 3 or small class 4 school for the past 40 years?
If you look at Valle, they run the same system as they did 12 years ago. They run it with the same names of kids down the line. Give credit to the kids and the coaching staff for the job they do there at Valle. I bet if you looked at summer workout numbers they probably have 95%-100% attendance I am guessing. That itself sets them above most schools, private or public.
Yes. They went to this offensive system around 2007-2008 and he does an excellent job evolving each year. They also are very disciplined and efficient in practice compared to most. And the community values football greatly.
But they still get the cream of the crop from a class 4 size community and that is why they keep it rolling year after year. I don’t begrudge them their great success. But it ain’t just hard work and smart coaching.
Compared to St Marys being in a community large enough for 2 Class 6 schools the last 40 years..... YES
Zero D1 scholarships out of Valle Catholic and Ste Gen programs in the last 15 years.. kind of an oddity for such a talent rich community
Almost correct....
Tyler Fallert RB Valle 2014, went to SEMO and battled injuries for 3 yrs and don't believed he saw action
Kory Faulkner SG 2008, QB at Southern Illinois
