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138,000 symptomatic and tested cases? Or 7x to 20x the tested group? A
That's 0.16%...but does the caseload include asymptomatics...beacuse that means it is 7 to 20x higher...brining the death rate down to the 0.0016% range
If you're going to calculate it that way for COVID, that's fine, but you have to do that for the other diseases, too, in order to compare apples to apples. Every disease has asymptomatic carriers and people who get milder infections who are never diagnosed and aren't included in the denominator.
Yeah, but you are assuming the rates of asymptomatics are the same across those diseases. The CDC is assuming 7.8 cases per 1 person showing enough symptoms to get tested and found to have it for COVID. Some estimate the number to be MUCH higher, as high as 20X to 25x the per 1 tested poz rate. No reason to assume asymptomatic rates are the same for other infections.
Covid has been one of the most bizarre diseases. The wild variation in symptoms, some completely weird. The latency period that can be extremely long between contact and first symptoms. The high rate of completely asymptomatic cases. And we don't even know how high it actually is, but it strikes me as unusually high. The same disease that doesnt' make a ton of people sick is lethal for others. And it's highly contagious.
BOOM! Joey dropping logic bombs. Move over Zach, Bayside has a new top preppy!
95 to 99% of all polio cases were asymptomatic, yet the authorities shut down schools, closed public pools & parks, and closed movie theaters and other businesses during an outbreak.
All diseases have those who are asymptomatic or have mild cases that don't require medical attention. They are never formally diagnosed and so they aren't counted in the denominator when calculating the case fatality rate. This phenomenon isn't unique to COVID.
But again...what is the rate of asymptomatic? It appears to be relatively high with COVID vs. different types of influenza.
That is true for now but 6 months from now who knows what the numbers will be.
This is true. Also the R0 for flu is 1.1-1.2. For COVID, it's at least 2.4, meaning COVID is about twice as easily spread as flu.
40% of Missouri's Covid deaths have been in nursing homes or nursing home employees. I hate to think how horrible it must have been to be an employed at Spring River or Lacoba. The staffs at these 2 assisted living facilities have seen horrors that a few months ago were unimaginable.
These people are the reason there is such a huge need for a vaccine, not to implant a microchip in your foil-hat covered head.
These people are the reason there is such a huge need for a vaccine, not to implant a microchip in your foil-hat covered head.
More open, affluent, and traveling society...didn't see the airlines within the U.S. ever get shut down.
The average age of death will still be 78+, and the overall deaths will drop, due to the fact that people under 40 have a death rate below 0.1%.
Simple solution:
Districts temporarily hire the parents of the students to teach class, coach gym, answer the phone, clean up the trash, drive the bus and serve lunch.
If you want your kids to return to school, then Babysit your own kids and keep it all in house. If you would otherwise be teaching your kids at home, then why not get paid for it for a year and learn how the other half lives.
Maybe we would have some appreciation for the job teachers do from a generation of mouth breathing, knuckle dragging parents if they had to do the job themselves for a year or two.
Pay the teachers who don’t want to return 1/2 time to be carried over until things are safe to return.
Problem solved
Districts temporarily hire the parents of the students to teach class, coach gym, answer the phone, clean up the trash, drive the bus and serve lunch.
If you want your kids to return to school, then Babysit your own kids and keep it all in house. If you would otherwise be teaching your kids at home, then why not get paid for it for a year and learn how the other half lives.
Maybe we would have some appreciation for the job teachers do from a generation of mouth breathing, knuckle dragging parents if they had to do the job themselves for a year or two.
Pay the teachers who don’t want to return 1/2 time to be carried over until things are safe to return.
Problem solved
It has struck my wife and I both (both teachers) that the first several weeks of the shut down how quickly teachers were so appreciated, supported, "we now know what teachers really do, they should be paid more, etc" Now that many places are not going back or going back hybridly, its "these dang teachers are lazy, they have been off long enough, my kids need to be out of the house and back no matter what." Right back to unappreciated and blamed. I get the frustrations, child care issues, etc, but people need to stop acting like school districts created this mess and are simply trying to do the best they can in response. There is no perfect solution. I always said I never felt sorry for administrators but they are earning their keep now.
You are absolutely correct. Parents have had to deal with their own misfit kids for the past 5 months and don't want anymore. You hit the nail on the head about how easy it was for everyone (I mean everyone) to spew the same lines about how great teachers are, they are the heroes, they are underpaid, etc --- until they no longer have someone to babysit their kids. The attacks on teachers over the past few weeks is absurd but this is 2020 and nothing surprises me anymore.
The entire narrative in this country will change the second or third week of September when a teacher and student dies somewhere in this country from COVID contracted the first week of school. The media will run with that as a national headline.
I'm starting to wonder if teacher unions around the country will unite in protest. That seems about right for 2020.
I'm starting to wonder if teacher unions around the country will unite in protest. That seems about right for 2020.
That would kind of be important news.
But kudos for using the keywords narrative..'media run with'
I guess one good thing is when we go back, teachers can complain to their students "whoever was teaching you for the past 5 months, sure didn't know what they were doing!"
Dave Grohl giving a shout out to all the teachers.
"Teachers want to teach, not die, and we should support and protect them like the national treasures that they are. For without them, where would we be?
May we show these tireless altruists a little altruism in return. I would for my favorite teacher. Wouldn’t you?"
https://www.theatlantic.com/culture...mic-reopening-schools-health-teachers/614422/
"Teachers want to teach, not die, and we should support and protect them like the national treasures that they are. For without them, where would we be?
May we show these tireless altruists a little altruism in return. I would for my favorite teacher. Wouldn’t you?"
https://www.theatlantic.com/culture...mic-reopening-schools-health-teachers/614422/
I bet you couldn’t even answer the last five questions. They get very hard.
https://www.parkinsons.va.gov/resources/MOCA-Test-English.pdf
https://www.parkinsons.va.gov/resources/MOCA-Test-English.pdf
So destroy the economy for "we don't know?" No thanks. Curve was flattered...34 million lose jobs.
I just got off a conference call. It sounds like the hybrid model is gaining a lot of steam in KC. The spike in numbers is causing districts to pivot. Unfortunately, most parents weren't given the choice in the initial surveys as to go all virtual or in person. Many districts are receiving a lot of calls about that as a viable option.
It sounds like the Ray Pec model might be adopted through most of Kansas City. Elementary kids still go 5 days a week, but secondary would be on a Mon-Tues in person followed by the other half of students on Thurs-Frid. Wed would be an all student virtual day.
At least it has been acknowledged that it is the same amount of work for the teachers, but they would theoretically only be able to get through a little over half of what is normally covered since they'd be doing double presentations. I believe that is the biggest hangup especially with dual credit, AP and EOC exams.
Correct me if I'm wrong on any of this. I hadn't even heard hybrid being on the table until today, but the superintendent said that the districts are somewhat in agreement to the same format.
It sounds like the Ray Pec model might be adopted through most of Kansas City. Elementary kids still go 5 days a week, but secondary would be on a Mon-Tues in person followed by the other half of students on Thurs-Frid. Wed would be an all student virtual day.
At least it has been acknowledged that it is the same amount of work for the teachers, but they would theoretically only be able to get through a little over half of what is normally covered since they'd be doing double presentations. I believe that is the biggest hangup especially with dual credit, AP and EOC exams.
Correct me if I'm wrong on any of this. I hadn't even heard hybrid being on the table until today, but the superintendent said that the districts are somewhat in agreement to the same format.
Those last 2 are doozies. What is this place and what city are you in. Only a stable genius would know that.
Carthage is letting parents opt for virtual OR in person. You can change to virtual but cannot change to in-class if you signed up for virtual until the next semester. There are certain restrictions for in-person, masks required pretty much everywhere outside their immediate classroom. I've heard Webb City's plan is very similar.
SPS (Springfield) is apparently doing a goofy hybrid 2 day on, 2 day off rotation with A/B groups. I don't know if that is a function of what Springfield parents wanted or if that's just what SPS decided was best or most doable.
Man what I would give to be able to be reading everyone's thoughts on this team or that or who the contenders are in various classifications. Or even an endless thread about whether or not Webb City will finally be in C5. And getting excited to start going to COC games. Instead of all this virus and school strategy and political bs.
SPS (Springfield) is apparently doing a goofy hybrid 2 day on, 2 day off rotation with A/B groups. I don't know if that is a function of what Springfield parents wanted or if that's just what SPS decided was best or most doable.
Man what I would give to be able to be reading everyone's thoughts on this team or that or who the contenders are in various classifications. Or even an endless thread about whether or not Webb City will finally be in C5. And getting excited to start going to COC games. Instead of all this virus and school strategy and political bs.
Or some classic Doc Guy witty banter!
Calm down preppy! For all we know, COVID might have claimed some of my fellow Doc Guys. Besides, your description of the Doc Guy banter was just long winded and confusing.
You will have every configuration out there. If Lee Summit keeps having parties they won't have enough for school.
I know you have laughed at one or more of Drunk Joe's GIFs!
EVERYONE has laughed a time or two at those GIFs, preppy!
Sounds like Kansas will make a decision today on Fall sports. Meeting today at four.
Babe Ruth had more strikeouts than he did homeruns!Exactly. Out of hundreds of repeated attempts at humor, people have laughed “a time or two”.
Oh I don't know, that might be a bridge too far. Give me a thread about everyone's mask politics over a doc guy hijacked thread anyday!
Its not that witty because we dont hijack threads. Doc Guys simply relate the original thread topic to our experiences that got documented on camera.
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