It killed a friend's dad. Your saying it's not deadly. It may be out of proportion in some way or another but are willing to gamble your life or a family members life to prove your point? There is a lot of people that were at a graduation last Sunday that just found out there was a positive tested person there. I bet those people are thinking now.
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That's just it, I don't believe it's a gamble. I'll take precautions and wear a mask where appropriate, but it's not deadly or lethal for those that aren't 65+ or have the pre-existing conditions. It just isn't. This isn't some BS opinion from the loony bin right websites. It's literally from talking to health professionals. Granted, they're not infectious disease experts. They're just doctors and nurses that seem to have an educated opinion of what is going on. For the record, I trust that more than absolutely anything you can show me on the web. Both sides have proven all they're out to do is push an agenda.
You're clearly trying to be reasonable but you're still missing the point. At this point no one thinks it's risky for the average person, or the general student population. The biggest risk is not an average person getting Covid. The biggest risk is someone getting it and then killing their grandparents, or a teacher, or another student with health issues all while never showing any symptoms. If we could somehow guarantee that students wouldn't come into contact with their grandparents, or teachers, etc then the risk is gone. Life would be back to normal.
I have absolutely no fears of getting Covid, I just worry I could have it and then pass it on to loved ones.
@RawMeat would this be a good time to declare, "Wrong forum!"?
It was a facebook post by the school district. I just checked back on it to see if I missed the details - it's 7th and 8th weights "postponed until further notice".
Thank you. We were supposed to go to 7on 7 there but we have now been informed no teams can travel. I also saw on the news last night Carthage city council was going to vote to return to phase 1.
I totally agree. And I was willing to stay home and flatten the curve for a few months, especially until we had a bit of a handle on what we were dealing with. In fact, I was scared to death. We have a 10 month old. From January to late March, our whole damned house was sick. Constantly congested and fevers. It was awful. I ended up losing my mind one day on my wife and three kids about not drinking after each other (this drives me BONKERS) and washing hands, especially when sick. Then the Covid stuff came out. I don't think that's what was in our house, but it wouldn't shock me to find that we all carry the antibody now either. BUUUUTTTT...Now, in my opinion, it's time for those that are at risk to stay home and isolate. That's where the option of choosing virtual learning comes into play. If you're constantly in immediate contact, or yourself are one of the at risk people, choose that option. Stay home. Expecting everyone to do that for 12-18 months while companies race to the finish line with a vaccine is simply the wrong thing to do. Again, I was completely against this 3 months ago. But now, I believe, we at least have a clue of what we're dealing with.
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I agree and see your point but the highest at risk people still need to be able to go to work and to shop. They're still gonna try and see their families. I think we need to focus on doing the essentials right now like working, food shopping, things like that and eliminate the thought of vacations, sports, and most activities until less of the population are carrying it and passing it back and forth. If people could just wear a mask for the next month and a half everywhere they go in public and avoid going to bars and restaurants then that means less of us healthy carriers will be walking around unknowingly passing it and the less healthy of us can reemerge because there would be less risk around every corner.
So long as the healthiest among us keep saying things like, "I'm fine! Stop restricting me!" We're gonna keep passing it back and forth and it will never subside until we get a vaccine. It's proven you can get Covid multiple times and the top carriers at the moment are healthy people who rightfully think they're perfectly fine but don't they think about who they will come into contact with that might not be fine. So you've got healthy people just passing it back and forth, then coming into contact with non-healthy folks. I fully believe if we all would just wear masks for a bit and we limited our exposure by avoiding most sports and cramped indoor activities that would help slow the spread. Some small changes now would help avoid big changes down the road, this ain't going anywhere and it's being proven more and more each day that other countries have handled this far better than we have.
I'm not asking the world to shut down, I'm asking people to limit what they do and wear masks while they do it. If what you got out of what I said was we need to shut the world down then you aren't as reasonable as you're letting on. If we stick to what's essential now and limit the rest then after a short period these healthy folks who keep perpetuating the spread can heal up and stop spreading it. If we can decrease the amount of healthy folks who continue to spread it now in the summer, then we can play football and do whatever we want come fall because the overall amount of folks with it will have gone down. Come the fall when we pack in football fields, or basketball courts, etc the only people who would need to wear masks at that point would be the at risk folks. The diabetic teachers could teach with masks on, Grandmas could get see their grandkids, again the issue is that right now healthy people continue to pass it back and forth so it's just continuing to cycle through folks.
I never said let's shut everything down until we get a vaccine. I said if we stop doing some things, don't rush into stuff, and wear masks in the mean time the overall amount of folks, predominantly healthy ones, carrying it will go down and we can then go back to more normal situations long before a vaccine becomes available. And I get that you don't give a shit about my father or my grandparents, that's fine I don't expect you to. I'm not laying out a path to saving their lives necessarily, I'm laying out a path to getting back to normalcy without having to wait for a vaccine.
I never said let's shut everything down until we get a vaccine. I said if we stop doing some things, don't rush into stuff, and wear masks in the mean time the overall amount of folks, predominantly healthy ones, carrying it will go down and we can then go back to more normal situations long before a vaccine becomes available. And I get that you don't give a shit about my father or my grandparents, that's fine I don't expect you to. I'm not laying out a path to saving their lives necessarily, I'm laying out a path to getting back to normalcy without having to wait for a vaccine.
Do you have a source on people getting COVID mutiple times? Because I've read numerous studies that the majority of patients who have recovered, do have the long term antibody (IgG) which blocks the receptor binding domain (RBD). The RBD is where the virus spike meets the ACE2 receptor and is basically the first step of a viral infection. Having said that, those same studies dont know how long these antibodies stick around for. Which makes sense, as this is a brand new virus.
Yes they are going to vote on that and a mask ordinance. Good lord you should see the comments on facebook. Funny how the council will meet every week on matters of the city and no one gives a crap but when it's about masks, literally all 15,000 people show up and want to make their voice heard. So weird.
https://sports.yahoo.com/should-tea...-immunity-from-the-coronavirus-234449908.html
This article has physicians who discuss the likelihood of herd immunity. I think the jury is still out on that one. I'll admit I've anecdotally seen people mention having it more than once, but that is what it is and I wouldn't necessarily stand behind that so that could be something I'm wrong on.
I just think it’s important to understand what each group has to gain by pushing their agenda.
The left has a vested interest in getting people used to the idea of getting in line and following government orders, as well as depending and expecting the government to fix your problems. And of course a disastrous outbreak and economy hurts Trump.
The right has a clear interest in downplaying the whole event because it helps the economy, stock market, and Trump.
And then of course the media, they are mainly looking out for their own interest and that is by keeping everyone in panic and fear because that creates a lot of eyes wanting to frequently tune in or check news apps for the latest case counts, expert opinions on when it will end or when/where to expect the next wave, etc. It just so happens that fear and panic also supports the agenda of the left but make no mistake the media is first and foremost just doing what will ultimately result in the most views.
The left has a vested interest in getting people used to the idea of getting in line and following government orders, as well as depending and expecting the government to fix your problems. And of course a disastrous outbreak and economy hurts Trump.
The right has a clear interest in downplaying the whole event because it helps the economy, stock market, and Trump.
And then of course the media, they are mainly looking out for their own interest and that is by keeping everyone in panic and fear because that creates a lot of eyes wanting to frequently tune in or check news apps for the latest case counts, expert opinions on when it will end or when/where to expect the next wave, etc. It just so happens that fear and panic also supports the agenda of the left but make no mistake the media is first and foremost just doing what will ultimately result in the most views.
I literally used the phrase shut down businesses and schools. In America. Nowhere did I say you supported shutting everything down, nor did I say anything about the world. I'm concerned with right here, in America. But, IMHO, you asking people not to go out to restaurants, go on vacations, or play sports has a huge ripple effect. And there's no guarantee if people do this, the transmission rate will slow come fall. In fact, everyone I've asked (those same health professionals) seem to think just the opposite. But see, there's that agenda driven message again. Telling healthy people to limit their actions, or telling businesses like restaurants to close or severely limit the number of people they serve...for a very small fraction of the population...just seems insane given what we know now.
Wear a mask.
Wash your hands.
Stay home if you're sick.
Stay home if you're at risk and don't want to get sick.
Allow businesses to employ the healthy and stay open and serve the healthy.
See how I can have an opinion that pulls pieces from both sides? It's not difficult. My whole problem with the "give it another month or two crowd" is that's what they were saying three months ago. And, again, I feel like it was warranted then. It was an unknown. And they scared the crap out of us with videos and pictures from Wuhan. Hell, I didn't know what or where or who Wuhan was. Then I did some research of how those people live. Well, it's pretty obvious why something like this spreads and is lethal there. That place is literally 1980's Harlem multiplied by a factor of about 10. It's insane. It has zero parallel to anywhere here, except maybe NYC...and that's debatable. The density and quality of living is so poor. But that gets left out. And I honestly don't get it on either side. And I probably never will.
I don't think we differ much at all in opinions. One thing, you think we need to limit everyone for another month or two. I think the sick and at risk need to be the ones to limit themselves. That's about it. I totally understand your side, I just disagree. I disagree with the premise that if everyone continued isolation then it would be business as usual in a month or two. But I also disagree with knuckleheads that think their freedoms are being taken away by being asked to wear a mask (or refused entry if not wearing one).
Well said. Out here in California, we have plenty of those knuckleheads who scream "Wearing this mask infringes upon my rights!" while the rest of quietly laugh. Luckily, those preppys are the minority. One thing sunny, southern Cali is full of, forward thinking progressives!
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This might be an indication of how things might go at the elementary school level.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/06/health/texas-coronavirus-cases-child-care-facilities/index.html
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/06/health/texas-coronavirus-cases-child-care-facilities/index.html
Can’t we just call school and sports a form of protest and then proceed as normal? Seems protests, rioting and looting are just fine. Not sure why school and sports wouldn’t be. Unless of course it’s all political.
I saw where Blue Springs is going to allow parents to choose between regular classes or online for their kids. I wonder if the state funding will include funding for students not in the classroom. And if students choose to do online learning - do they get to participate in extra-curriculars ...
Independence announced the same yesterday. My wife just told me you can not do sports if you elect that option there.
I teach high school, and believe me that virtual schooling will be extremely popular with that age group. Not the athletes per say, but I know a lot of students that thought high school was a waste of time and would of chose that just so they could set their own hours. They don't have to be there by 7am and can have a job. When you go to bed at 1 or 2 on a consistent basis that would sound very intriguing.
I teach high school, and believe me that virtual schooling will be extremely popular with that age group. Not the athletes per say, but I know a lot of students that thought high school was a waste of time and would of chose that just so they could set their own hours. They don't have to be there by 7am and can have a job. When you go to bed at 1 or 2 on a consistent basis that would sound very intriguing.
I will echo that this might be a permanent paradigm shift. I don't like it at all from the teacher perspective, but when it comes to budgets and declining property values in coming years, I think it will be hard to backpedal to the old way. I'm really only speaking of high school. I don't know how you could do this with elementary students. They get so much out of being their in person from those important early years.
ALM is not the answer, except in certain situations like snow days etc...Otherwise there is no replacement for in class learning.
Kids need to be in class, even the high school aged kids....
Kids need to be in class, even the high school aged kids....
I really want the schools to reopen, and I think there are a lot of arguments for it. I've come to the realization though that when I'm back around hundreds of people every day, I'm probably not going to be able to see my parents for quite some time.
I really hope the death rates don't skyrocket with the elderly or those with the risk factors, my parents are in both those groups.
The public seems fine knowing this tradeoff, but I wonder what happens when it starts being people you actually know die, and you know it was preventable.
I really hope the death rates don't skyrocket with the elderly or those with the risk factors, my parents are in both those groups.
The public seems fine knowing this tradeoff, but I wonder what happens when it starts being people you actually know die, and you know it was preventable.
Death tends to hit a lot harder when it's close to home. Seeing the death tolls and cases rising in other states easily falls into out of sight, out of mind. Unfortunately, it might take some people losing someone close to them before the majority of people start taking this seriously.
Just guessing that you don’t teach English grammar, do you? Or maybe you do and that’s frightening.
I get that life has to go on, can’t live under a rock, etc. but schools were shut down in mid March. What would we say is really diff now than it was then but we are pushing to reopen schools?
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