Who in their right mind would move from Monett to St Louis???? Cubbies have a racetrack close to the stadium and Roaring River 30 minutes away
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Been to that race track a many times, the Grand old lady!! Yep and we are an hour from Branson, Joplin, Springfield, and Arkansas. And the airport ranks 9th in Missouri with a total output of 12.1 million dollars per year, really not bad for a small community
http://www.ozarksfirst.com/news/monett-airport-has-surprising-success/823785215
Around here people totally choose where to live based on school. This is less mentioned as a factor in Webb City's success but I think it's a big one. Just within the last year or so I can think of at least a half dozen families I know who have moved into the WC district from other nearby towns as their kids started school, several of which citing sports as a primary reason. It's not recruiting but it kind of has the same effect over the long term.
True, it seems unlikely that a family would move to Lamar or somewhere like that just so their son could play football. But if they are already in the Joplin metro area, it is absolutely a possibility they will move to Webb City so their son can play football there. I see it all the time. I would imagine the same happens with certain public schools in the KC area.
In the Joplin metro area a family only chooses private school because of religious reasons or because they are a surgeon or trial lawyer and can afford TJ. If a family is focused on sports, they move to Webb City (or come up with some scheme to get their kids in school there).
Not just for football, people move to Webb because their academics compete well also.
My wife is from CJ she had several family members who went to school there, I can tell you not many of them were going to leave the comfy confines of Briarbrook just so their kids could say they won a state title in football. Same with Carthage many well off family's still live in that town.
Trinity Catholic is doing just fine recruiting for football, and they are filling way more than five spots. When Trinity plays Lutheran North next week you will see plenty of D-1 kids on both sides.
Since you are talking about choice, Private schools can choose who they will accept or reject, thus giving them a competitive advantage, where as Public schools have to accept those that live in their district, in some cases just a few kids puts schools into a bigger classification. Private schools can keep there numbers where they want to and stay in a specific class. This year alone one could argue that Trinity and Lutheran North may be the two best teams in the entire St. Louis area and they are class 2 giving them a huge advantage over most class 2 programs.
Wait...Choosing your enrollee's gives you a competitive advantage??? Blasphemy.
Doesn't hurt having a Billion dollar company in your "small" town.
Really for a small rural town we have a huge industrial base, and you hear how people are looking for jobs well most of the companies in Monett are looking for bodies cannot get enough people. one company went to 12 hour days because they cannot get enough people to come to work.
Ampipe used to have that problem! We have lost a lot of businesses over the years. American Pipe & Steel is still going strong through! We have a lot of government contracts that keep the guys busy! We are always hiring though. So if you know any out of work steel workers, send em my way!!
It's NOT only fans of 'losing' teams who are noticing the 'privates' running roughshod over unenforced recruiting rules. MoSports posters are a very small [but, elite] sampling of MO football fans. I can promise you this is being discussed in many places from bleachers to school offices to kitchen tables ---across the state. I overheard a group talking about it over the weekend from a school who won their first district game in years this year. They want to know if the whole thing will be 'bionic' in a few years? Will ALL teams simply be acquired instead of grown? Will there be ANY sense of community? Will there be ANY rules? Will anyone follow them if there are? The current trend is a sprint toward no rules / no expectations. We lose the spirit of the game.
What changes do you hear being discussed by these groups you talk to or overhear? When you talk about "recruiting rules not being enforced", what "recruiting" are you referring to exactly? Are public schools upset that families within their districts choose to go private instead of being locked into their local school ... or is it that people are upset when kids transfer to different schools period?
As Bullit noted earlier, outside of KC and STL private schools are for faith based purposes or they tow a very hard line academically. There were small schools in SWMO who were concerned when Thomas Jefferson opened it's doors in Joplin --- would they abuse their advantage with athletics? They have not. They maintain an impeccable reputation academically and compete as any other small school in our area in athletics.
Actually it would be the same amount of trophies handed out now.
Large school private state champ
Small school private state champ
With no private schools you can decrease to 4 classes in public schools.
Class 4 public champ
Class 3 public champ
class 2 public champ
class 1 public champ
NWBleachers, do you know if any of the private schools around SWMo offer any scholarships especially to athletes? The ones I know of, I have never heard them doing that, so just curious.
With about 300 public schools, how would you split them up? 75 per class, give or take a few? Why would any current Class 5 school support that? What current Class 1 public school support this?
I would imagine the fact that there would be no more private schools would help with class one and five support.
I don't know that anyone can ever say with 100% certainty what goes on behind closed doors and how people might cheat the system [sometimes undetected] but, I do know there was a lot of discussion about this years ago. The other small schools in the area wanted to know that this wouldn't happen. It wouldn't be or become the intent. It was considered when they joined their conference. I think the proof that they have NOT gone this route is in their academic standards and the fact that statistically if you hold the highest of academic standards? Some of those kids are good athletes. Some. Maybe even few. You are far less likely to be fluent in Latin and navigating a college level of advanced calculus if you spent several hours a week on the football field as a kid. That's not a feeling. That's just a fact.
I appreciate the fact you are trying to defend your school of choice and holding hard that there is no recruiting being done. Unfortunately Trinity and LN are not passing the smell test. I am guessing Coach Patterson was not pleasantly surprised when his entire youth football team showed up for practice at the private school he happened to have just been hired at. Coach and parents have admitted the players came to play for him (athletic reasons). Did any of them set out one year as required by the rules? My understanding is LN coach had family that transfer to the school who just happened to be crazy good a football. Did they set out a year?
You mentioned what you smell and what it looks like to you and what your understanding is, but none of that is fact or proof or even details to support what it actually happening.
Is your beef with the fact that you don't know the rules that MSHSAA has established for transfers and eligibility exceptions? Or is it that you don't trust that MSHSAA is actually enforcing those rules?
Is your beef with transfers PERIOD? That you feel that families shouldn't have to option to change what school their kids go to (assuming they have a choice)?
Is it that you don't like the thought that things COULD be happening and, because you don't have access to the details around specific situations regarding transfers, you assume it must be something shady?
Is your beef with the fact that you don't know the rules that MSHSAA has established for transfers and eligibility exceptions? Or is it that you don't trust that MSHSAA is actually enforcing those rules?
Is your beef with transfers PERIOD? That you feel that families shouldn't have to option to change what school their kids go to (assuming they have a choice)?
Is it that you don't like the thought that things COULD be happening and, because you don't have access to the details around specific situations regarding transfers, you assume it must be something shady?
How are they "D1" kids when they are still in high school and have never played a snap of college football??
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Lol ...
I said you can never know with 100% certainty ... that only applies when you are 'uncertain'.
When you have a coach who is so full of himself he gives an interview to a STL newspaper and says - out loud- that the kids are there FOR HIM?
You just eliminated hardship.
You just falsified documents.
You just laid out the cheating.
For anyone who can or would do anything about it.
When you admit it? It's 100% certainty. Whether you tripped over your own ego or not.
I said you can never know with 100% certainty ... that only applies when you are 'uncertain'.
When you have a coach who is so full of himself he gives an interview to a STL newspaper and says - out loud- that the kids are there FOR HIM?
You just eliminated hardship.
You just falsified documents.
You just laid out the cheating.
For anyone who can or would do anything about it.
When you admit it? It's 100% certainty. Whether you tripped over your own ego or not.
When you enroll your kid into a high school entering their Freshman Year, you can use whatever criteria you want to as the reason for your decision to do so. Yes, even athletic ones. Yes, even because you want your kid to play for a specific coach.
MSHSAA rules don't even make it illegal to transfer into a school (ANY school ... private OR public) provided that it wasn't THE ONLY reason and that there wasn't "undue influence" to transfer. Wanting your kid to play for a specific school or coach isn't undue influence.
Not liking, understanding, agreeing with or wanting the rules to be what they are doesn't make them wrong or illegal. It just means that you don't get to have your way about it.
Try again.
They're kids with D-1 scholarship offers. No, they haven't signed LOIs (yet) or enrolled in classes at a college. You know what his statement was conveying. They're kids that are way more likely to play at D-1 schools than kids that haven't been offered scholarships.
No one on my side of the argument has to 'try' anything.
We've all established that the occasional kid ends up somewhere with athletics being their reason for being there. Occasional.
No one else on this thread is bussing in entire teams.
If MSHSAA wants the new norm of high school football in Missouri to be about donors buying teams? They'll ignore this.
And, it will tarnish what all MoSports posters so greatly enjoy.
NWB--- Out.
We've all established that the occasional kid ends up somewhere with athletics being their reason for being there. Occasional.
No one else on this thread is bussing in entire teams.
If MSHSAA wants the new norm of high school football in Missouri to be about donors buying teams? They'll ignore this.
And, it will tarnish what all MoSports posters so greatly enjoy.
NWB--- Out.
Donors "buying teams" is your imagination. Don't hold your breath waiting for MSHSAA to read a random post on a message board and decide to accommodate your feelings.
Just because you think The World is flat, doesn't mean that it is. The only thing being tarnished is your conspiracy theories. You don't like the rules and that sucks for you. If you REALLY want to spend your time productively, go cry to MSHSAA about why Missouri is the only state in The SEC without High School Spring Football.
Be out.
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