Proposed Ukraine compromise

[Duck_walk]

I propose the following deal. If Trump resigns immediately he will not be prosecuted for any of his crimes and Joe Biden will also drop out of the 2020 race to be fair. Because I am sure druggy Hunter Biden has profited repeatedly from his daddy being VP. Additionally Nancy and all other Dem leadership over 72 years old must step down.

 

[bueno_Tuco]

I propose the following deal. If Trump resigns immediately he will not be prosecuted for any of his crimes and Joe Biden will also drop out of the 2020 race to be fair. Because I am sure druggy Hunter Biden has profited repeatedly from his daddy being VP. Additionally Nancy and all other Dem leadership over 72 years old must step down.

“Compromises” are for quitters

Vote to impeach Trump

Send the Articles of Impeachment to the Senate

Get 67 Senators to vote for the Articles of Impeachment

Put Up or Shut Up???

 

[SadButTrue]

“Compromises” are for quitters

Vote to impeach Trump

Send the Articles of Impeachment to the Senate

Get 67 Senators to vote for the Articles of Impeachment

Put Up or Shut Up???

 

[SadButTrue]

There 30 senators that have said they would vote for an impeachment right now, but they are afraid of t rump. Sad state of affairs for our country. A bunch of cowards just like the repub posters on this site. I still predict he will leave the White House in cuffs and an orange jump suit or a straight jacket.

 

[millerbleach]

“Compromises” are for quitters

Vote to impeach Trump

Send the Articles of Impeachment to the Senate

Get 67 Senators to vote for the Articles of Impeachment

Put Up or Shut Up???

They won't even vote on impeachment in the House.
The election is a year away. Let the voters impeach him if it is so bad.
I am totally in favor of them voting to impeach in the House though. That is why they won't.

 

[Neutron Monster]

I propose the following deal. If Trump resigns immediately he will not be prosecuted for any of his crimes and Joe Biden will also drop out of the 2020 race to be fair. Because I am sure druggy Hunter Biden has profited repeatedly from his daddy being VP. Additionally Nancy and all other Dem leadership over 72 years old must step down.

They need some generational change, but Nancy has played things pretty well so far. Both of McConnell and Pelosi seem poised, in control, and still whip smart. At least in their roles, they can disappear tomorrow...not something a President can be forced to do.

I think it's absurd that Hunter Biden had that role, but I can't really pick on his dad because some morons in the Ukraine hired his not very talented son. You can judge him for perceived or actual conflicts of interest when those arise. I get some of the complaints about him making the call, although it seems quite clear that he was just following orders and not freelancing. But if he knew his son were working there in that job, he should have let the Sec. State make the call.

 

[Neutron Monster]

They won't even vote on impeachment in the House.
The election is a year away. Let the voters impeach him if it is so bad.
I am totally in favor of them voting to impeach in the House though. That is why they won't.

I will bet your first statement is false after the call and complaint. They're going to do it.

 

[millerbleach]

I will bet your first statement is false after the call and complaint. They're going to do it.

You actually believe this stuff!

 

[vbsideout]

There 30 senators that have said they would vote for an impeachment right now, but they are afraid of t rump. Sad state of affairs for our country. A bunch of cowards just like the repub posters on this site. I still predict he will leave the White House in cuffs and an orange jump suit or a straight jacket.

At least the jump suit would match his tan and hair.

 

[Neutron Monster]

You actually believe this stuff!

There's zero reason for there to be lies in a contemporaneous call log. It's a factual summary for the files that would have been reviewed by many people on the call.

 

[millerbleach]

There's zero reason for there to be lies in a contemporaneous call log. It's a factual summary for the files that would have been reviewed by many people on the call.

If you say so.......impeach away.

 

[3Rfan]

There's zero reason for there to be lies in a contemporaneous call log. It's a factual summary for the files that would have been reviewed by many people on the call.

You do realize the people listening in on these calls are Trump's hand picked people right? The pubs defending Trump say the logs were put in the top secret side of their storage because of all the leaks they have had. EVERYBODY leaking stuff from the oval office were hand picked by Trump to be in that position! There comes a time when these people realize what they're witnessing and try to get the word out any way they can. This one seems to be more alarming to them than most so they found a guy to be the whistle blower for them. That should tell you how bad they think this is.

 

[Neutron Monster]

If you say so.......impeach away.

I don't say so; everyone who ever worked on these would say so. It's the whole point of the document.

Why do you think they hid these in the code word system? It's because they wrote the truth down in them, and the truth was damning to the boss. They had to try to bury them.

 

[Neutron Monster]

They are. It’s not something that happens in a few days. It will take weeks and weeks, especially if Trump and his army of henchmen lawyers fight and obstruct at every turn like they have with Mueller, Emoluments, his taxes, and Stormy D. So be patient Miller. Your crime boss will pay for his crimes soon enough.

The House sets its own timeline, and they could impeach him tomorrow if they want. It's a political process.

 

[Neutron Monster]

You do realize the people listening in on these calls are Trump's hand picked people right? The pubs defending Trump say the logs were put in the top secret side of their storage because of all the leaks they have had. EVERYBODY leaking stuff from the oval office were hand picked by Trump to be in that position! There comes a time when these people realize what they're witnessing and try to get the word out any way they can. This one seems to be more alarming to them than most so they found a guy to be the whistle blower for them. That should tell you how bad they think this is.

It's that plus intel analysts.

I have no doubt there are many people in the government who don't like the President, and they'll do things like leak to hurt him, or try to ignore some of his orders when they are crazy. But they aren't faking internal call transcripts that are reviewed by numerous people and are never supposed to see the light of day.

 

[Duck_walk]

 

[Neutron Monster]

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He's really out of control.

 

[73 winch]

He's really out of control.

Guess I missed Trump threatening a civil war. He did say if the left keeps up with this attempted coup, there might be one. Is that a threat?

He is correct on Schiff, the man is a traitor to this country.

As far as the whistle blower, I guessed I missed the death threats from Trump. Have a link?

 

[SadButTrue]

Guess I missed Trump threatening a civil war. He did say if the left keeps up with this attempted coup, there might be one. Is that a threat?

He is correct on Schiff, the man is a traitor to this country.

As far as the whistle blower, I guessed I missed the death threats from Trump. Have a link?

Rudy you need to stop posting you're making your self look like the idiot you are.

 

[Neutron Monster]

Guess I missed Trump threatening a civil war. He did say if the left keeps up with this attempted coup, there might be one. Is that a threat?

He is correct on Schiff, the man is a traitor to this country.

As far as the whistle blower, I guessed I missed the death threats from Trump. Have a link?

Treason is an incredible charge and a perfect example of how out of control that he is. The President of the US demanding a sitting Congressman be investigated for treason because he is a political opponent is wildly inappropriate. It's not treason to want to impeach a President, even if you disagree with their desire to impeach the President. He's the head law enforcement officer for the country; he has a duty to act in measured ways on law enforcement matters. You cannot pretend that his recent predecessors would ever have said something this nuts.

He should also not be retweeting anything talking about a Civil War like that, it's crazy talk and unbecoming of his job.

Three years of Trump have really degraded our expectations for how a leader should act. We should expect our Presidents not to talk and act like a despot from a banana republic. What he says and does on a daily basis are corrosive, and your post perfectly encapsulates why we should expect our leaders to signal us to be better than this. Saying Adam Schiff is a traitor is wildly wrong and a sign you do not have a rational view of the US political process.

 

[73 winch]

Treason is an incredible charge and a perfect example of how out of control that he is. The President of the US demanding a sitting Congressman be investigated for treason because he is a political opponent is wildly inappropriate. It's not treason to want to impeach a President, even if you disagree with their desire to impeach the President. He's the head law enforcement officer for the country; he has a duty to act in measured ways on law enforcement matters. You cannot pretend that his recent predecessors would ever have said something this nuts.

He should also not be retweeting anything talking about a Civil War like that, it's crazy talk and unbecoming of his job.

Three years of Trump have really degraded our expectations for how a leader should act. We should expect our Presidents not to talk and act like a despot from a banana republic. What he says and does on a daily basis are corrosive, and your post perfectly encapsulates why we should expect our leaders to signal us to be better than this. Saying Adam Schiff is a traitor is wildly wrong and a sign you do not have a rational view of the US political process.

Treason : The crime of betraying one's country. Attempting to kill the sovereign, or overthrow the government.

Schiff is trying, and lying with all his might to overthrow a duly elected President. Call it what you will


You are correct that we should expect our President to hold himself to a higher standard. I am disappointed in a lot of his rhetoric. Do we just give a pass to our other leaders who accuse Trump of being a racist, a bigot, xenophobic? Or when Pelosi said on June 5th she wants to see Trump in prison? Or how about Tlaib saying she is going to impeach the MF!! Her campaign is even printing shirts.

Then you have the audacity to claim Trump should treat these people better?

I don't like Trump. I didn't vote for him. I used to be independant and vote for each party depending on who was running for what. Not anymore. After seeing the left cheat and lie about everything the last two years, using any despicable smear or falsity they can imagine to try to nullify the vote of 60 million people, the party is dead. Never will I vote D again.

 

[millerbleach]

Schiff is just a perjurer not a traitor.

 

[millerbleach]

I don't say so; everyone who ever worked on these would say so. It's the whole point of the document.

Why do you think they hid these in the code word system? It's because they wrote the truth down in them, and the truth was damning to the boss. They had to try to bury them.

You act like that is the only reason that system exists. There are plenty of reasons things are put in there besides nefarious hiding.
You guys keep saying things are facts that are simply matters of opinion. Trump aking Ukraine to look into things that have happened without specifying what doesn't equal coercion, pressure, threats, or anything nefarious unless spelled out as such.

 

[Neutron Monster]

Treason : The crime of betraying one's country. Attempting to kill the sovereign, or overthrow the government.

Schiff is trying, and lying with all his might to overthrow a duly elected President. Call it what you will


You are correct that we should expect our President to hold himself to a higher standard. I am disappointed in a lot of his rhetoric. Do we just give a pass to our other leaders who accuse Trump of being a racist, a bigot, xenophobic? Or when Pelosi said on June 5th she wants to see Trump in prison? Or how about Tlaib saying she is going to impeach the MF!! Her campaign is even printing shirts.

Then you have the audacity to claim Trump should treat these people better?

I don't like Trump. I didn't vote for him. I used to be independant and vote for each party depending on who was running for what. Not anymore. After seeing the left cheat and lie about everything the last two years, using any despicable smear or falsity they can imagine to try to nullify the vote of 60 million people, the party is dead. Never will I vote D again.

I find some of the discourse on "not my President" etc to be way too far. I agree with you there. And I am no fan of Tlaib. She's not making America a better place. The Ds are driving me nuts with the Stacey Abrams nonsense pretending she won. She lost. They have to do better.

But the #1 problem in America is that we have someone horribly unfit in our most important office. We can and should dislike Tlaib and wish she loses her next election. But she's 1 out of 435. She's a non-factor on her own. He's not. He's corroding the executive branch and the standing of our country on a daily basis, and his actions make it clear that he is guiding our foreign policy to benefit himself - not our country - in a way that is beyond anything any other R or D candidate we've had in recent times would ever have dreamt of. He's uniquely unfit for the office - it's not that he is an ideological extremist; it's that he is only motivated to serve himself, and will break any rule he can think of to serve his own ego and personal goals.

But your understanding of treason is not realistic to me; the whole point of impeachment is that the Founders realized correctly that the Executive will not remove himself/herself willingly even if they are no longer worthy of the office. There is no legal remedy for a new election or something like that in our Constitution, no ability for Congress to have a vote of no confidence. Instead, Congress was expressly given the right to impeach/remove the President for situations like this - the idea is that our other democratically elected body, with a supermajority, should act as a check on the powerful Executive. It's not treasonous to support impeachment, and it's quite silly to say that it is treason to carry out a legislative process when you really do have the best interests of your country at heart.

Unless something damning comes out, impeachment will fail, because the Founders set a very high bar in the Senate for this to succeed.

 

[Neutron Monster]

You act like that is the only reason that system exists. There are plenty of reasons things are put in there besides nefarious hiding.
You guys keep saying things are facts that are simply matters of opinion. Trump aking Ukraine to look into things that have happened without specifying what doesn't equal coercion, pressure, threats, or anything nefarious unless spelled out as such.

I agree that the whistleblower report, for example, is not a statement of fact on its own. It requires further investigation and support to be considered factual.

But the call log is a contemporaneous statement of fact but together by the USG to document its actions. And no one with a pulse can read that call summary and think he was advocating for the USA instead of advocating for DJT, especially when you layer on the other publicly documented evidence like Rudy's bizarre sojourn to Ukraine. It is an outrageous document, and it raises serious questions about what else he has been doing for the last 2+ years in office.

Also, the system exists to hide classified intel, yes. It's a joke that it is being used to bury call transcripts that would embarrass the President. I have a concern that this act will end up damaging national security because I am concerned that people will start leaking more and more of these calls that politicial figures are trying to bury. I am concerned that they will eventually leak calls that really should have been classified. And when you layer on the Australia disclosure today...why would you say anything interesting to the President right now? You should be afraid that it is going to leak because he's going to say something insane. We shouldn't want our allies to be endrunning the President to avoid disclosure.

 

[Neutron Monster]

Schiff is just a perjurer not a traitor.

Schiff's stunt was dumb, but it's not perjury. Congress expressly has immunity to say whatever they want while in session. Hence why Gravel entered the Pentagon Papers into the record. You can't even sue for defamation (slander.)

He also made it quite clear that it was made up. It was just a bizarre waste of time.

 

[73 winch]

I find some of the discourse on "not my President" etc to be way too far. I agree with you there. And I am no fan of Tlaib. She's not making America a better place. The Ds are driving me nuts with the Stacey Abrams nonsense pretending she won. She lost. They have to do better.

But the #1 problem in America is that we have someone horribly unfit in our most important office. We can and should dislike Tlaib and wish she loses her next election. But she's 1 out of 435. She's a non-factor on her own. He's not. He's corroding the executive branch and the standing of our country on a daily basis, and his actions make it clear that he is guiding our foreign policy to benefit himself - not our country - in a way that is beyond anything any other R or D candidate we've had in recent times would ever have dreamt of. He's uniquely unfit for the office - it's not that he is an ideological extremist; it's that he is only motivated to serve himself, and will break any rule he can think of to serve his own ego and personal goals.

But your understanding of treason is not realistic to me; the whole point of impeachment is that the Founders realized correctly that the Executive will not remove himself/herself willingly even if they are no longer worthy of the office. There is no legal remedy for a new election or something like that in our Constitution, no ability for Congress to have a vote of no confidence. Instead, Congress was expressly given the right to impeach/remove the President for situations like this - the idea is that our other democratically elected body, with a supermajority, should act as a check on the powerful Executive. It's not treasonous to support impeachment, and it's quite silly to say that it is treason to carry out a legislative process when you really do have the best interests of your country at heart.

Unless something damning comes out, impeachment will fail, because the Founders set a very high bar in the Senate for this to succeed.

I appreciate your thoughtful reply, and agree with most of your comments.

However, you appear to agree that impeachment is fine if a person is judged to be incompetent, or as you say it, horribly unfit for the office. Who gets to decide this? Seems like it's just the democrats that think this.
You say Trump doesn't do things to better the country, just himself. Do you truly believe there are no politics involved with the dems wanting Trumps head? Come on now, you know better than that. The dems know the Republican senate will not impeach without sufficient evidence Trump committed impeachable offences, which they don't have or they would proceed.
What they are doing is trying to embarrass Trump and lower his chances for reelection since they have no viable candidate.

These people who are trying to gain power by tearing down our president with any devious plan they can think of are no better than Trump thinking of himself, cause that is just what they are doing.

Do you really think Schiff and Pelosi want what's best for the country, or more power and spotlight? I think the answer to that is pretty simple.

 

[Neutron Monster]

I appreciate your thoughtful reply, and agree with most of your comments.

However, you appear to agree that impeachment is fine if a person is judged to be incompetent, or as you say it, horribly unfit for the office. Who gets to decide this? Seems like it's just the democrats that think this.
You say Trump doesn't do things to better the country, just himself. Do you truly believe there are no politics involved with the dems wanting Trumps head? Come on now, you know better than that. The dems know the Republican senate will not impeach without sufficient evidence Trump committed impeachable offences, which they don't have or they would proceed.
What they are doing is trying to embarrass Trump and lower his chances for reelection since they have no viable candidate.

These people who are trying to gain power by tearing down our president with any devious plan they can think of are no better than Trump thinking of himself, cause that is just what they are doing.

Do you really think Schiff and Pelosi want what's best for the country, or more power and spotlight? I think the answer to that is pretty simple.

Congress decides. It is a legislative coup d'etat. That's how the Constitution was written. The standard is intentionally vague. It's effectively a judgment call.

But, unless you have 67 people in the Senate from one party...you can't really say that the Democrats are actually in control of his formal eviction from office. They control impeachment from the House, no doubt. Schiff is a figurehead; Nancy decided after polling the caucus that this is what they are going to do. The only way Trump goes, or really any President, is if they do enough to get their own party to want to push them out. Which means the standard is quite high.

I think the Ds are playing politics. But I also think they are right that he should be removed from office if he's been using our foreign policy, including withholding Congressionally mandated aid dollars from an ally, to investigate his political opponents. I think that should be a basic red line for Presidential behavior. I think they need to investigate and prove some more, but that call transcript plus Rudy's nonsense is the sort of thing that demands heavy Congressional review and oversight, and we should expect the Executive Branch to be abnormally forthcoming with the American public about what they have been doing. They've lost the right to be trusted to do the right thing. The President's public flailings for the last week are not confidence inspiring.

I think you're also ascribing too much to the Ds and not enough to the President. The Ds were totally ready to pounce, but this is a scandal of unthinkable stupidity and impulsiveness. Could you imagine a President Cruz or Huckabee doing this? The level of arrogance and malice underlying these actions are astonishing.

 

[73 winch]

I appreciate your thoughtful reply, and agree with most of your comments.

However, you appear to agree that impeachment is fine if a person is judged to be incompetent, or as you say it, horribly unfit for the office. Who gets to decide this? Seems like it's just the democrats that think this. You say Trump doesn't do things to better the country, just himself. Do you truly believe there are no politics involved with the dems wanting Trumps head? Come on now, you know better than that. The dems know the Republican senate will not impeach without sufficient evidence Trump committed impeachable offences, which they don't have or they would proceed.
What they are doing is trying to embarrass Trump and lower his chances for reelection since they have no viable candidate.

These people who are trying to gain power by tearing down our president with any devious plan they can think of are no better than Trump thinking of himself, cause that is just what they are doing.

Do you really think Schiff and Pelosi want what's best for the country, or more power and spotlight? I think the answer to that is pretty simple.

Congress decides. It is a legislative coup d'etat. That's how the Constitution was written. The standard is intentionally vague. It's effectively a judgment call.

But, unless you have 67 people in the Senate from one party...you can't really say that the Democrats are actually in control of his formal eviction from office. They control impeachment from the House, no doubt. Schiff is a figurehead; Nancy decided after polling the caucus that this is what they are going to do. The only way Trump goes, or really any President, is if they do enough to get their own party to want to push them out. Which means the standard is quite high.

I think the Ds are playing politics. But I also think they are right that he should be removed from office if he's been using our foreign policy, including withholding Congressionally mandated aid dollars from an ally, to investigate his political opponents. I think that should be a basic red line for Presidential behavior. I think they need to investigate and prove some more, but that call transcript plus Rudy's nonsense is the sort of thing that demands heavy Congressional review and oversight, and we should expect the Executive Branch to be abnormally forthcoming with the American public about what they have been doing. They've lost the right to be trusted to do the right thing. The President's public flailings for the last week are not confidence inspiring.

I think you're also ascribing too much to the Ds and not enough to the President. The Ds were totally ready to pounce, but this is a scandal of unthinkable stupidity and impulsiveness. Could you imagine a President Cruz or Huckabee doing this? The level of arrogance and malice underlying these actions are astonishing.

 

[73 winch]

My I pad is doing silly things?

Ok, so I agree 100% with your previous post. If they find impeachable acts, impeach. That is the way any fair American should feel.

HOWEVER,

Let me ask you this question NM, if you will.

Why is the Democratic Party so bad at messaging? Trump is a braggart. He is brash. He is rude. He says stupid things.

 

[3Rfan]

Treason : The crime of betraying one's country. Attempting to kill the sovereign, or overthrow the government.

Schiff is trying, and lying with all his might to overthrow a duly elected President. Call it what you will


You are correct that we should expect our President to hold himself to a higher standard. I am disappointed in a lot of his rhetoric. Do we just give a pass to our other leaders who accuse Trump of being a racist, a bigot, xenophobic? Or when Pelosi said on June 5th she wants to see Trump in prison? Or how about Tlaib saying she is going to impeach the MF!! Her campaign is even printing shirts.

Then you have the audacity to claim Trump should treat these people better?

I don't like Trump. I didn't vote for him. I used to be independant and vote for each party depending on who was running for what. Not anymore. After seeing the left cheat and lie about everything the last two years, using any despicable smear or falsity they can imagine to try to nullify the vote of 60 million people, the party is dead. Never will I vote D again.

You forgot to mention he had 3 million fewer votes than Clinton.

 

[Neutron Monster]

My I pad is doing silly things?

Ok, so I agree 100% with your previous post. If they find impeachable acts, impeach. That is the way any fair American should feel.

HOWEVER,

Let me ask you this question NM, if you will.

Why is the Democratic Party so bad at messaging? Trump is a braggart. He is brash. He is rude. He says stupid things.

Maybe some of the following?

- It's tough to have a cohesive message when you're the party out of power. The Rs have one leader. The Ds have lots of people shouting their messages out there

- Trump sucks up a lot of oxygen, and they haven't always found a good way to deal with that. He also drives some of his opponents nuts

- Donors like some really dumb messages, and some of the politicians seem only interested in talking to their base.

 

[Duck_walk]

A hell of a lot of republican office holders loathe Trump. But they are handcuffed into staying silent to try to keep their jobs. Every single one of us knows this is true.

 

[Duck_walk]

America is so broken.

— GOP Rep. Mark Amodei's comment seemed harmless enough. Asked what he thought of the Democrats' impeachment probe into President Donald Trump, the Nevada Republican gave reporters a vague dodge: "Let's put it through the process and see what happens."

Within about an hour, Amodei was on phone calls with his party's leaders and the White House, explaining himself. No, he did not intend to be the first Republican to endorse the investigation, he told House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, as his Facebook page exploded with angry Republicans.

Amodei's episode stemming from a phone call with reporters last Friday is something of a cautionary tale for Republicans as they try to answer questions about impeachment, Trump's behavior and the rocky road ahead. In the highly charged partisan environment, even nods to bipartisanship or process can sound like betrayal.

 

[Veerman_12]

But the #1 problem in America is that we have someone horribly unfit in our most important office. We can and should dislike Tlaib and wish she loses her next election. But she's 1 out of 435. She's a non-factor on her own. He's not. He's corroding the executive branch and the standing of our country on a daily basis.

I don't disagree, so what's the solution? He was one of the two real choices we had in 2016.

The issue isn't the electoral college, people in cities, or anything else, the issue is out of 330 Million people, our choice came down to Trump or Hillary.

I would MUCH prefer to vote for Bill Weld, Tulsi Gabbard, possibly Andrew Yang, Steve Bullock, or John Delaney, but the PARTIES (not the people) decide who is on the ballot and you know we're going to get stuck with Trump vs. Someone unelectable (Warren, Biden, Harris, or Sanders).

How do you fix that issue?

 

[Neutron Monster]

I don't disagree, so what's the solution? He was one of the two real choices we had in 2016.

The issue isn't the electoral college, people in cities, or anything else, the issue is out of 330 Million people, our choice came down to Trump or Hillary.

I would MUCH prefer to vote for Bill Weld, Tulsi Gabbard, possibly Andrew Yang, Steve Bullock, or John Delaney, but the PARTIES (not the people) decide who is on the ballot and you know we're going to get stuck with Trump vs. Someone unelectable (Warren, Biden, Harris, or Sanders).

How do you fix that issue?

We have not given ourselves great choices in the last election and the election we are on track to have. We have the crazy man in chief, the old man, the unreformed socialist, and the limo liberal.

Further, we should not be electing people who are over age 70 to a job that requires intensive stamina and top notch mental acuity for four years. It's a bad thing that the 4 people most likely to be President come January 20, 2021 are this old.

 

[Veerman_12]

We have not given ourselves great choices in the last election and the election we are on track to have. We have the crazy man in chief, the old man, the unreformed socialist, and the limo liberal.

Further, we should not be electing people who are over age 70 to a job that requires intensive stamina and top notch mental acuity for four years. It's a bad thing that the 4 people most likely to be President come January 20, 2021 are this old.

So again, what's the solution?

We're pissed at each other when we should be pissed at the parties.

 

[Duck_walk]

I don't disagree, so what's the solution? He was one of the two real choices we had in 2016.

The issue isn't the electoral college, people in cities, or anything else, the issue is out of 330 Million people, our choice came down to Trump or Hillary.

I would MUCH prefer to vote for Bill Weld, Tulsi Gabbard, possibly Andrew Yang, Steve Bullock, or John Delaney, but the PARTIES (not the people) decide who is on the ballot and you know we're going to get stuck with Trump vs. Someone unelectable (Warren, Biden, Harris, or Sanders).

How do you fix that issue?

Tulsi Gabbard is the least qualified person running and John Delaney only ran to rip on the M4A candidates because he has major business interest in keeping the healthcare status quo. Please don’t vote.

 

[Veerman_12]

Tulsi Gabbard is the least qualified person running and John Delaney only ran to rip on the M4A candidates because he has major business interest in keeping the healthcare status quo. Please don’t vote.

Marianne Williamson exists, so United States Representative and Iraq War veteran Tulsi Gabbard is far from the least qualified candidate running. Furthermore, she's the only Democratic candidate with half a chance to win in Red states because she doesn't present herself as a complete loon like Bernie or Elizabeth Warren.

Who are you to tell anyone how to, or not to, vote? Exactly what qualifies you to think your OPINION is better than anyone elses?

 

[3Rfan]

I don't disagree, so what's the solution? He was one of the two real choices we had in 2016.

The issue isn't the electoral college, people in cities, or anything else, the issue is out of 330 Million people, our choice came down to Trump or Hillary.

I would MUCH prefer to vote for Bill Weld, Tulsi Gabbard, possibly Andrew Yang, Steve Bullock, or John Delaney, but the PARTIES (not the people) decide who is on the ballot and you know we're going to get stuck with Trump vs. Someone unelectable (Warren, Biden, Harris, or Sanders).

How do you fix that issue?

At least 3 of those you call unelectable have been ahead of Trump in every poll I've seen for months.