Pelosi and House Vote Thursday

[have an idea]

So the vote is to “affirm the ongoing, existing investigation?"
THIS IS NOT A FORMAL IMPEACHMENT VOTE!
This is simply a vote to continue the investigation, that was never an Impeachment in the first place.

 

[SadButTrue]

They are doing it to try and get you whining babies to shut up.

 

[have an idea]

Lol. Calling the Kettle Black

 

[3Rfan]

So the vote is to “affirm the ongoing, existing investigation?"
THIS IS NOT A FORMAL IMPEACHMENT VOTE!
This is simply a vote to continue the investigation, that was never an Impeachment in the first place.

The vote is to set the rules for the open hearings they will have. Now we'll see if those crying for the process to be in public will shut up and get their legal staffers lined up with questions for the witnesses.

 

[millerbleach]

It's like trying to pay for the candy bar you stole after getting caught. Better than not paying at all I guess.

 

[3Rfan]

It's like trying to pay for the candy bar you stole after getting caught. Better than not paying at all I guess.

You still don't get it I see. This is NOT the trial portion of impeachment where the president and his lawyers get to see the evidence, call witnesses and cross examine other witnesses. In the Clinton impeachment they already had the facts they needed to vote on impeachment from the Starr investigation, they do NOT have that here. There is NOTHING unfair about this process.

 

[millerbleach]

In the Clinton impeachment they already had the facts they needed to vote on impeachment from the Starr investigation, they do NOT have that here.

You are correct that they have nothing.

 

[3Rfan]

You are correct that they have nothing.

Except a ridiculous abuse of power for his own benefit.

 

[Blondee15]

Except a ridiculous abuse of power for his own benefit.

Absolutily none that is just ridiculous.

Two big problems for the Dems. First is that the President as head of the executive branch and the DOJ/FBI is the chief law enforcement officer in our nation. He can order the investigation of anyone for alleged criminal activities. As the Dems are so quick to state “nobody is above the law”. Hunter and Joe Biden don’t get a pass just because 3 years later Joe is running for office.

Second is that as President of the US Trump is solely responsible for the foreign policy of our country.

I listened to Tom Brokaw day the same thing yesterday

Brokaw, who serves as an anchor emeritus with the Comcast-owned news organization, covered Watergate when he became a White House correspondent in 1973.

"The big difference is ... they still don't have what you would have the goods on this president in terms of breaking the law and being an impeachable target for them," Brokaw told MSNBC's Andrea Mitchell on Tuesday afternoon.

Socialist Democrats have been trying since November 9, 2016 to come up with something to get our president removed from office and every gambit has failed just like this one will. They are going to come out of this looking like the UnAmerican idiots they are.

 

[Neutron Monster]

Absolutily none that is just ridiculous.

Two big problems for the Dems. First is that the President as head of the executive branch and the DOJ/FBI is the chief law enforcement officer in our nation. He can order the investigation of anyone for alleged criminal activities. As the Dems are so quick to state “nobody is above the law”. Hunter and Joe Biden don’t get a pass just because 3 years later Joe is running for office.

This is a profound wrong, and it's a disheartening statement about the Trump era that you are ok with this. The President of the US should not get involved in individual investigations (pro or con.) Him doing so is a direct attack on the rule of law - you cannot have the head of the executive branch influencing or appearing to influence prosecutorial decisions. This is what happens in banana republics, not in first world democracies. The DoJ needs to be able to run investigations that are good or bad for the President without any partisan interference. The President's core job with respect to the DOJ is to appoint competent people and to ensure they have support to make sure that the rule of law is upheld.

Also, the DOJ investigates and prosecutes crimes committed against the United States. Corruption in Ukraine is a crime in the Ukraine. The whole premise that "the DOJ can investigate Hunter and Joe" for this is a sign that you have no clue what the DOJ is supposed to do. And it's also fair to note that the ask was really for a PR statement, not for a corruption investigation. What Trump really wanted was a political headline that was bad for Joe Biden.

 

[Blondee15]

The United States govt asks foreign governments to assist in investigations all of the time. Why YOU think Trump said or asked for something are not facts that he broke any law

Tom Brokaw covered Nixon and Clinton impeachment’s and I would hazard has a far better understanding of what I or any of us have. Listen to his interview

If the Senate follows form they will vote on a motion to dismiss all charges ( just like happened with Clinton in 99 on a motion by Senator Byrd which failed)

Many Republican Senators are saying they would rather go ahead with a trial to show how the Socialist Democrats are trying to unseat an innocent duly elected president so they look like fools in front of the American people

 

[Neutron Monster]

We ask foreign governments to assist in US investigations

The standard for if the President did something really bad is not "did he break the law"

 

[Blondee15]

We ask foreign governments to assist in US investigations

The standard for if the President did something really bad is not "did he break the law"

Our Constitution says “High CRIMES and Misdemeanors “ it doesn’t say anything about impeaching a President because you think he is bad and don’t like him

 

[Neutron Monster]

Our Constitution says “High CRIMES and Misdemeanors “ it doesn’t say anything about impeaching a President because you think he is bad and don’t like him

Please define high crimes and misdemeanors. The answer is it is whatever Congress wants it to be, as President Ford once wisely pointed out.

Plus the President is effectively exempt from numerous laws per the DOJ, because the point is that impeachment is the remedy for bad behavior. He can effectively not be guilty of a crime but still be deserving of impeachment.

 

[millerbleach]

Also, the DOJ investigates and prosecutes crimes committed against the United States. Corruption in Ukraine is a crime in the Ukraine. The whole premise that "the DOJ can investigate Hunter and Joe" for this is a sign that you have no clue what the DOJ is supposed to do. And it's also fair to note that the ask was really for a PR statement, not for a corruption investigation. What Trump really wanted was a political headline that was bad for Joe Biden.

You don't think A Ukrainian company buying access through the Vice Presidsonents son is a crime against the U S?
Before you try to say it wasn't buying access, tell me what qualifications Hunter had, besides being the VP son, to be on the board of that company and paid richly.
Also, your interpretation of what Trump was asking is your opinion. Facts make stronger arguments than opinions.

 

[Neutron Monster]

You don't think A Ukrainian company buying access through the Vice Presidsonents son is a crime against the U S?
Before you try to say it wasn't buying access, tell me what qualifications Hunter had, besides being the VP son, to be on the board of that company and paid richly.
Also, your interpretation of what Trump was asking is your opinion. Facts make stronger arguments than opinions.

What crime does that violate under US law?

Remember, people like Manafort got dinged for things like being a foreign agent who lobbied the US without registering as one or for tax evasion. It's not illegal to be paid by a foreign government or company.

There's no substantive allegation that Hunter Biden lobbied the USG as an unregistered agent. And even that has nothing to do with JOE BIDEN, the person the President asked about.

 

[Neutron Monster]

Also, umm, if this is such a problem, you might want to take a look at what foreign entities and governments are directly paying the President's business and his direct relatives.

I agree with you that it looks bad for Hunter Biden to get paid $50k a month or whatever, it's not like the guy had some amazing skill that we know of that justified it. we should want our politicians to avoid appearances of impropriety. Hunter hurt Joe here. But it's also fair to point out that Joe can't control what his 40 something year old son does.

 

[3Rfan]

Please define high crimes and misdemeanors. The answer is it is whatever Congress wants it to be, as President Ford once wisely pointed out.

Plus the President is effectively exempt from numerous laws per the DOJ, because the point is that impeachment is the remedy for bad behavior. He can effectively not be guilty of a crime but still be deserving of impeachment.

As vehemntly pointed out by Trump's biggest defender now, back in the Clinton impeachment days.