Park Hills Central Christmas Tournament Seeds

[redstrawberry]

1) Farmington
2) Hillsboro
3) South Iron
4) Festus
5) Central
6) Potosi
7) Ste. Genevieve
8) North County
9) DeSoto
10) Perryville
11) Fredericktown
12) West County
13) Crystal City
14) Arcadia Valley
15) Herculaneum
16) Viburnum

 

[Grip it and Rip it]

I've never understood why a small school would want to be in this tournament. Most years you might as well start the season 0-2 with at least one blow out loss that does nothing for your program or the big school playing against you. Other than "prestige" what benefit does it serve a rebuilding/struggling program to play in the tourney? They should add some more big schools from the surrounding areas.

 

[Trim78]

Easier said than done, most schools have their schedules locked in and there's no room in this tournament. So you have to get on a waiting list. The SEMO Christmas Tournament the same. First-round games are mostly blow outs. Plus it's just hard to find an open space in a tournament this time of the year.

 

[3Rfan]

1) Farmington
2) Hillsboro
3) South Iron
4) Festus
5) Central
6) Potosi
7) Ste. Genevieve
8) North County
9) DeSoto
10) Perryville
11) Fredericktown
12) West County
13) Crystal City
14) Arcadia Valley
15) Herculaneum
16) Viburnum

SI has had some success in PH and should have a win or two there this year.

 

[SEMO747883]

Indeed, and it toughens them up for later play. Good competition lets you know how good you are and where you need to improve.

 

[mike37]

That tournament has a history with some small schools. Bismarck, Crystal City, South Iron, West County, Valley Caledonia. They have all either it won the tournament or made some really good runs at it.

 

[Grip it and Rip it]

Like I said if a struggling team wants to be in the tourney for prestige more power to them. But I don't know what losing to the big schools by 50+ tells a program other than the talent pool is deeper. Don't think it helps either team (especially the big schools). IMO, I'd prefer to play in a tourney with similar competition and a chance to win a couple games. I completely understand that talent ebbs and flows in small schools, but in today's world with livelihoods at risk because of the win/loss record I wouldn't want to look at my schedule before the season starts and mark down two-three losses right off the bat. That's one of the reasons conferences have split into big/small school divisions.

 

[JustAnOkayCoach]

Like I said if a struggling team wants to be in the tourney for prestige more power to them. But I don't know what losing to the big schools by 50+ tells a program other than the talent pool is deeper. Don't think it helps either team (especially the big schools). IMO, I'd prefer to play in a tourney with similar competition and a chance to win a couple games. I completely understand that talent ebbs and flows in small schools, but in today's world with livelihoods at risk because of the win/loss record I wouldn't want to look at my schedule before the season starts and mark down two-three losses right off the bat. That's one of the reasons conferences have split into big/small school divisions.

Ask any kid who has ever played in the tournament and they will tell those were some of their favorite games because of the atmosphere. It's an unreal experience.

 

[Pancho and Lefty]

Like I said if a struggling team wants to be in the tourney for prestige more power to them. But I don't know what losing to the big schools by 50+ tells a program other than the talent pool is deeper. Don't think it helps either team (especially the big schools). IMO, I'd prefer to play in a tourney with similar competition and a chance to win a couple games. I completely understand that talent ebbs and flows in small schools, but in today's world with livelihoods at risk because of the win/loss record I wouldn't want to look at my schedule before the season starts and mark down two-three losses right off the bat. That's one of the reasons conferences have split into big/small school divisions.

You right on the money so far.

#1 seed wins by 77
#2 seed wins by 49
#3 seed wins by 52
#4 seed wins by 44
#5 seed wins by 39

I get that there is a lot of history with this tournament. Almost need to look at an A and B division or something. Let's face it, if you are not in the top 8 seeds, your not very good. No offense to those teams. A team like Farmington has no business playing Viburnum, and Viburnum has no business playing Farmington. Neither team gets anything out of that game at all.

 

[3Rfan]

Like I said if a struggling team wants to be in the tourney for prestige more power to them. But I don't know what losing to the big schools by 50+ tells a program other than the talent pool is deeper. Don't think it helps either team (especially the big schools). IMO, I'd prefer to play in a tourney with similar competition and a chance to win a couple games. I completely understand that talent ebbs and flows in small schools, but in today's world with livelihoods at risk because of the win/loss record I wouldn't want to look at my schedule before the season starts and mark down two-three losses right off the bat. That's one of the reasons conferences have split into big/small school divisions.

Well lil ole South Iron just beat big ole Hillsboro 73-57 in the PH Tourney. They play Farmington in the championship. I assume Farmington's size will win out but SI is in the spot everybody else there would love to be in.

 

[TJ_DUB]

Well lil ole South Iron just beat big ole Hillsboro 73-57 in the PH Tourney. They play Farmington in the championship. I assume Farmington's size will win out but SI is in the spot everybody else there would love to be in.

They’ve got a nice ball club. Quick, shoot well and well-coached.

 

[3Rfan]

They’ve got a nice ball club. Quick, shoot well and well-coached.

Farmington hit 1 of 2 free throws with 4.7 seconds in the game to finally seal the win against South Iron 66-62. I don't know why a small school plays in a tournament like this.

 

[TJ_DUB]

Farmington hit 1 of 2 free throws with 4.7 seconds in the game to finally seal the win against South Iron 66-62. I don't know why a small school plays in a tournament like this.

Yeah, but SI is more the exception rather than the rule. They consistently put a very competitive, good team on the floor.

 

[3Rfan]

Yeah, but SI is more the exception rather than the rule. They consistently put a very competitive, good team on the floor.

That's true, I just couldn't resist.

 

[Grip it and Rip it]

Aren't 3-4 South Iron boys on the roster coach's kids? That probably says something about being able to compete against class 4 schools. I'm willing to bet those coaches have invested years into this soph/fresh/8th bunch. Putting the time in and having several fathers as coaches says more than having a deep talent pool.

 

[JustAnOkayCoach]

Aren't 3-4 South Iron boys on the roster coach's kids? That probably says something about being able to compete against class 4 schools. I'm willing to bet those coaches have invested years into this soph/fresh/8th bunch. Putting the time in and having several fathers as coaches says more than having a deep talent pool.

I only know of the Dinkins boy and the McMurray boy, and McMurray isn't a starter. Sure, having a dad as a coach helps, but having a group of boys that believe in and buy into a system that the coach is teaching them is a big factor as well. Eminence was the state champ last year and they only had 1 coach's kid on the team. The rest of the boys were just talented, athletic, and worked together. I don't think it would have mattered if the McBride kid had any other last name.

 

[Grip it and Rip it]

I'm guessing Graves is of some relation to the girls coach. Don't know if it's father/son, just assuming. My point is exactly as you said: the dads/coaches made sure from a young age (probably elementary school) that the players bought into the system. A player doesn't wake up talented, it's cultivated with years of practice, hard work, and dedicated parents.