Class 3 fact checkers needed
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Sure seems like your tears about having to play similar sized talent pools is upsetting you boys.
Deal is...helias hasn't done a dang thing lately. Covid don't count since private schools didn't have to follow the mandates
I see you working Cards...you are giving OC a heads up. Unfortunately,
Hell may of just opened up...
How did it work out for you last year when you actually had to play bigger schools? Sucked didn't it. Now you know what it feels like.
Someone please tell us how many Special Education students the Private Schools accept compared to Public Schools?
Not cause we disagree but failure to acknowledge the private advantage. C6 to some is an equalizer but if I have 1600 handpicked students vs 1600 melting pot students then C6 is not an equalizer
Cards I never said they didn't have an advantage. And you are right about the 1600 vs 1600, but the Championship factor is equalizing that advantage for the smaller schools at least. Like I said before we need to figure out a solution for the privates who are already 6a to start with. Just speaking for Helias here, everyone on here thinks that all the students are athletes and hand picked and it is just not true. My step daughter has Autism and Helias helped her to graduate. So they do have special needs kids as well. Oh and kids that dont play sports at all.
True but in percentages of student base the privates are much higher in athlete and much lower in special needs. I'm not sure there is an answer for big private schools other than move all to a private only class and that punishes small privates. Removing cap for the all stars may help minimize the advantage for majority and keep the complaining to a minimum
….i have been called worse!!! 🤣
You said Honk!
No she graduated from Helias. They provided her with any help or tutoring she needed.
So I ran through my head all the scenarios I could think of and really the only two are yours and what we have now. If they went with yours idea I would like to see the Championship factor stay for Private side. Not sure it would help or not but you have to have a way to move the have and have nots. I would also like to see it implemented on the public side as well. This would help with all the recruiting that happens on the public side that we know happens but is ignored. It would slow down all the move ins, kids living at grandmas house, towns making sure that no low income housing can be built so they can protect their tax base, Etc
Well none proven but a lot of folks believe Webb did for years
I got a 3rd one coming this week with an enhanced champ factor and 7 classes
This is in general and not so much at any one team, but when teams have generational talent year after year you may want to do some digging. I don't care how good the coaching or programs is the odds are pretty astronomical to have the much talent go through some of the programs out there. Granted once the train gets moving the program recruits itself but you had to have a little help early to turn it into contender ever year.
Which public schools that have consistently won have "generational talent"? The closest team I can think of is the 13 Lamar team and I highly doubt those kids were recruited.
Helias has won consistently but outside of Hale Hentges, who has been a generational talent in the last 20 years?
When speaking about generational talent I am not referring to one person. More of generational talented team that you will only see once in a generation for most schools.
What has been the key for Helias sustaining success for the last 20 years?
Not trying to turn this into a recruiting argument because unlike most on this board, I don't think they're like the STL privates. I think schools like them and Valle are way different than Ritter, CBC, etc. Although I do think they have their own advantages which is why for the most part the success factor is working. There's just no way to have an effect on the large Private Schools.
that's the way since MSHSAA refuses to even try to punish recruiting. They made their own bed here.
I have only been in Jeff City for 6 year or so but here are my thoughts. Coaches and community creating and sustaining a winning culture. You saw what happened when Hentges left to watch his son play college ball. But they are not winning title after title every year. Also as you said the collapse of JC schools.
Why can't a public school do the same? Because I agree with you on how they have sustained it.
That is what they should strive for if they are doing it on the up and up. For some places to just have abundance of talent ever single year is just a bit suspicious to me.
I guess my definition of success and yours is different. I think you can still have a successful season without winning a title. I don't know their exact history without looking, but if I remember right, they took 2nd in 08, 09, 12 and 24. Won it in 2020. Lost to Webb in 10 & 11 who won the title I believe. I think lost to Lees Summit West in 06 or 07 who won it.
I would say they have been pretty successful for awhile...
Teams like Lamar, Adrian, Blair Oaks, Webb, share the same very important thing!! Culture!!! They expect to win and you can see it and feel it the way the players and the fans act!!!
But how is that any different than a school like Helias sustaining success? How is it not suspicious to think they recruit if they are good year in and year out?
Add Maryville to that mix. They have had a really good program for a long time.
Is Helias winning state titles every year or every two years. No. There is a big difference between being good every year to having the talent to win a championship is a whole nother level. To win 3 ,5, 10, or 20 in a short period of time is pretty mind boggling. Sorry it just is a bit suspicious. I could be right or wrong but that is my opinion and I see where you are coming from and I respect that.
Lamar has won 10 in 14 years with 2 runner ups, Maryville has won 5 titles in 17 years with 3 other runner ups and I believe 3 other semi final losses, we all know what Webb has done, Kearney has won 3 titles since 09 with 1 runner up and I think 3 semis. Also look what happened when Jones left. Do all those schools recruit?
But I know you are referencing Blair Oaks. How many Titles have they won when Coach LePage wasn't the coach? There was always talent at BO before LePage got there in 01, but he was the one who changed the football program and maximized the talent. There were teams in the 11 year run with Drehle and Walker that were more talented than some of the recent teams that won a title. I just hope he sticks around for at least a few more years, because I'm not sure they will be the same when he's gone. Still will be really good program, but I don't think just any coach does what he did there in the last 7 years.
