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OSU should be out. 4 Conf. champs in.

I see where you're coming from with your statements, but I think with the comparisons you've made you're comparing apples to oranges here. The Pats aren't a good example because they lost in the super bowl. Now if the Bucks lost in the NC game and the commitee still handed them the trophy that analogy would work.

Based on your comments what I'm gathering is that only conference, and to a greater extent division games matter in your eyes.

Yeah PSU beat OSU, but they also got their head kicked in by UM (a team OSU beat) and Pitt (a team that lost by almost 30 to Miami, so eluding to how good the wins Pitt had are annulled by some bad loses.) That's why they aren't in the playoffs.

I know we'll continue to disagree all day but I agree with the commitee in their thinking that a 1 loss team with no conference title and no 30 pt loses is a better playoff fit than PSU. I suppose the commitee thought that PSU's loss to Pitt/UM was a little more damning than OSU's loss to PSU.

And like I said before, this precedent regardless of if we like it or not has been set before. If we go back to the 2012 national title game do we try to put someone other than Bama in that game against LSU? Would you also say the eventual champ was not worthy because they had already lost to LSU and failed to win their conference?


Well OSU was awful against an awful MSU team and only a failed 2 pt conversion saved them They also were outplayed most of the games versus Michigan and were saved by a pass interference no call and a favorable
Spot in overtime. These are all thoughts and opinions. let's remove opinions from the equation and go with conference champs. if you lose your conference you can't be in the final four. that way the on the field play determines the champ.
 
Well OSU was awful against an awful MSU team and only a failed 2 pt conversion saved them They also were outplayed most of the games versus Michigan and were saved by a pass interference no call and a favorable
Spot in overtime. These are all thoughts and opinions. let's remove opinions from the equation and go with conference champs. if you lose your conference you can't be in the final four. that way the on the field play determines the champ.

At Michigan St in a rivalry game...they have looked susceptible in weeks I admit. They were outplayed in the first half against Michigan, but not the second half. And they lost to Penn St after dominating the game @ Happy Valley.

Put it in writing and I would be okay with it. If thats what the rule says then thats what it says. But expand to include 3 other teams too as mentioned previously. There are too many good wildcards to just include conference champs. Not to mention there are 5 power conferences (hard to fit 5 in a final 4).

The fact is by all non-opinion metrics....they're still better.
 
Considering PSU beat OSU head to head AND won OSU's division AND conference, I'd say it's closer than people want to admit...

...again, it all depends on what's more important to you; the field or the paper
Totally agree. Since the committee wants to determine the 4 best teams on paper, and ignore on-field head-to-head results, why don't they just cancel the playoff this year and give the National championship to Alabama since they are so vastly superior to everyone else on paper? My opinion is that this year shows we really need an 8-team playoff.
 
Totally agree. Since the committee wants to determine the 4 best teams on paper, and ignore on-field head-to-head results, why don't they just cancel the playoff this year and give the National championship to Alabama since they are so vastly superior to everyone else on paper? My opinion is that this year shows we really need an 8-team playoff.

I agree we need a 8 team system. But the commitee isn't ignoring on field results, it's like in pool play head to head can be tie breaker but once one team has a better record it doesn't mean anything. Why are you valuing OSU's one loss to PSU so much more than PSU's two to Pitt and UM? I think we're all just too hung up on thinking being conference champion should mean more than it actually does.
 
I agree we need a 8 team system. But the commitee isn't ignoring on field results, it's like in pool play head to head can be tie breaker but once one team has a better record it doesn't mean anything. Why are you valuing OSU's one loss to PSU so much more than PSU's two to Pitt and UM? I think we're all just too hung up on thinking being conference champion should mean more than it actually does.
They have sold the conference championship to mean that much. Going forward, maybe they should cancel the conference championship games and go to an 8 (or even 12) team playoff.
 
They have sold the conference championship to mean that much. Going forward, maybe they should cancel the conference championship games and go to an 8 (or even 12) team playoff.

Imo a 2 loss team isn't and shouldn't be in a national championship discussion.

A 4 team playoff is sufficient, and any argument that the "wrong" team or teams got in is flimsy.
 
It going to come to the point that teams who are eligible to will decline to play in their own conference championship game because the risk of losing that extra game may cost them a shot in the Final Four. What the hell happens then?
 
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Imo a 2 loss team isn't and shouldn't be in a national championship discussion.

A 4 team playoff is sufficient, and any argument that the "wrong" team or teams got in is flimsy.
Wow! That was a quick change of opinion! you were advocating a 32-team playoff earlier in this post, which would have plenty of 2-loss (and probably some 3 loss) teams.
 
Wow! That was a quick change of opinion! you were advocating a 32-team playoff earlier in this post, which would have plenty of 2-loss (and probably some 3 loss) teams.

I was just tossing out a possibility. Playoff expansion is an inevitability and the 16 or 32 team playoff will eventually come around for better or worse. The 4 team model gets it way more right than wrong.
 
I agree with the 32 team playoff with the bowls as locations.

Imagine if you will:

#1. Alabama vs. #32. Miami

#2. Ohio St. vs. #31. Temple

#3. Clemson vs. #30. Pittsburgh

#4. Washington vs. #29. Iowa

#5. Michigan vs. #28. Western Kentucky

#6. Wisconsin vs. #27. Utah

#7. Oklahoma vs. #26. Houston

#8. Penn St. vs. #25. Nebraska

#9. USC vs. #24. Washington St.

#10. Colorado vs. #23. Boise St.

#11. Western Michigan vs. #22. USF

#12. Oklahoma St. vs. #21. Stanford

#13. Florida St. vs. #20. Navy

#14. West Virginia vs. #19. LSU

#15. Florida vs. #18. Auburn

#16. Virginia Tech vs. #17. Louisville
I was just tossing out a possibility. Playoff expansion is an inevitability and the 16 or 32 team playoff will eventually come around for better or worse. The 4 team model gets it way more right than wrong.
I guess I must have misinterpreted your comment "I agree with the 32 team playoff".
 
I guess I must have misinterpreted your comment "I agree with the 32 team playoff".

People seem to misinterpret your posts a lot... (wonder why that is :rolleyes:)

I know it's hard to believe, but the College Football Playoff Committee hasn't contacted me for my input on how they can best fix the playoff. Until they do, I guess you're just going to have to deal with my inconsequential posts on the subject and if I decide to change my mind, who cares? It doesn't affect the outcome of anything.

Maybe you boys can pass along my 2 cents when the CFPC contacts you two geniuses on how the playoff should be run. Thanks in advance.
 
Let's start the playoffs game 1 of the season!!! That way KU will be out and Basketball season will start for Kansas and I can atleast talk smack. I did however find it funny the emphasis all the commentators put in about OSU and their great win against Oklahoma leaving out the fact that Houston beat OU as well. I think it sucks for Penn it seems money still talks. Head to head has to or atleast it should count especially if the winning team is also conference Champ over you. If they were in different conferences 2 losses compared to one loss is a no brainier. When your one loss is to your two loss confrrence Champ that should mean a lot.
 
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CONFERENCE CHAMPS ONLY!!!!!!!!

If you can't win your conference you can't be the national champ.
 
Seeing Urban shut out in the biggest game of the year. Suuuuhweet!!! Conference champs only!!!!
 
It's a good day when Urban gets his **** kicked in.
That game was a whooping. A beat down. Miserable doesn't describe the OS offense. I almost felt sorry for OS defense, abandoned by the OS offense. This game embarrassed the College Playoff system in a year that felt as though our great game is needed a boost. A complete reversal of what I remember from the past two years. Was that really a championship level bowl game? What a stinker.
I never want to entertain the idea of more teams in the playoff bracket. The kids that don't want risk injury in their draft status don't want it, and for all intents and purposes, I don't think the coaches want more teams either.
 
That game was a whooping. A beat down. Miserable doesn't describe the OS offense. I almost felt sorry for OS defense, abandoned by the OS offense. This game embarrassed the College Playoff system in a year that felt as though our great game is needed a boost. A complete reversal of what I remember from the past two years. Was that really a championship level bowl game? What a stinker.
I never want to entertain the idea of more teams in the playoff bracket. The kids that don't want risk injury in their draft status don't want it, and for all intents and purposes, I don't think the coaches want more teams either.
Big ten as a whole is bad offensively. Michigan was as bad as I've seen
 
Losing Hermann 2 years ago killed OSU. Their offense has been bad ever since. ZERO vertical passing game and predictable. They couldn't catch a ball. Couldn't throw a ball. Couldn't tackle. Couldn't make a field goal. They were just bad. I picked Clemson because Ohio State can't score. OSU's defense didn't have a chance. Though it wouldn't have changed the outcome of the game, but those missed field goals early was deflating to momentum.

That said...I don't think Penn State would have made it a much better game. Last year was the year I think OSU would have given Bama and Clemson a run for their money. They're just too young (With a top 5 recruiting class)....future is bright, but if they can't make a change on the offensive side of the ball, then it won't matter.
 
Losing Hermann 2 years ago killed OSU. Their offense has been bad ever since. ZERO vertical passing game and predictable. They couldn't catch a ball. Couldn't throw a ball. Couldn't tackle. Couldn't make a field goal. They were just bad. I picked Clemson because Ohio State can't score. OSU's defense didn't have a chance. Though it wouldn't have changed the outcome of the game, but those missed field goals early was deflating to momentum.

That said...I don't think Penn State would have made it a much better game. Last year was the year I think OSU would have given Bama and Clemson a run for their money. They're just too young (With a top 5 recruiting class)....future is bright, but if they can't make a change on the offensive side of the ball, then it won't matter.

OSU looked like FSU and ND recently. Exposed and didn't belong.
 
Losing Hermann 2 years ago killed OSU. Their offense has been bad ever since. ZERO vertical passing game and predictable. They couldn't catch a ball. Couldn't throw a ball. Couldn't tackle. Couldn't make a field goal. They were just bad. I picked Clemson because Ohio State can't score. OSU's defense didn't have a chance. Though it wouldn't have changed the outcome of the game, but those missed field goals early was deflating to momentum.

That said...I don't think Penn State would have made it a much better game. Last year was the year I think OSU would have given Bama and Clemson a run for their money. They're just too young (With a top 5 recruiting class)....future is bright, but if they can't make a change on the offensive side of the ball, then it won't matter.

Penn State's QB can throw much better than Michigan's or Ohio's. To beat Clemson or Bama you need accurate passing. It would have been a little more competitive, at least.
 
Losing Hermann 2 years ago killed OSU. Their offense has been bad ever since. ZERO vertical passing game and predictable. They couldn't catch a ball. Couldn't throw a ball. Couldn't tackle. Couldn't make a field goal. They were just bad. I picked Clemson because Ohio State can't score. OSU's defense didn't have a chance. Though it wouldn't have changed the outcome of the game, but those missed field goals early was deflating to momentum.

That said...I don't think Penn State would have made it a much better game. Last year was the year I think OSU would have given Bama and Clemson a run for their money. They're just too young (With a top 5 recruiting class)....future is bright, but if they can't make a change on the offensive side of the ball, then it won't matter.

You said:

Losing Hermann 2 years ago killed OSU. Their offense has been bad ever since.

Now this is priceless. OSU wasn't good enough to win their conference. That is a sign they didn't belong in the playoff, am I wrong? No. I am not. The first non conference champ to be chosen by the committee and that was not a competitive game. The committee was wrong. YOU were wrong. Several of us pointed this out BEFORE they were chosen. You made claims of bias against OSU. Wrong. Its called good judgment.
 
OU, OK State, Penn State, USC could have all at least scored, among others.

OU lost by 21 to Ohio State????
Ok State lost three
USC lost by 46 to Bama, 17 to Stanford and 4 to Utah. Did beat Washington, but we all know that means little now.

Penn State is interesting. But I think we all know they were not MUCH better than Ohio State, if not equal given a 3 point loss @ Penn State.
 
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