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No middle class, no republic: GOP plans to destroy America’s safety net will also kill democracy

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Newt Gingrich openly bragged recently at the Heritage Foundation that the Trump administration and Republicans in Congress were going to “break out of the Franklin Delano Roosevelt model.” That “model,” of course, created what we today refer to as “the middle class.”

Ever since the election of Ronald Reagan, Republicans have been working overtime to kneecap institutions that support the American middle class. And, as any working-class family can tell you, the GOP has had some substantial successes, particularly in shifting both income and political power away from voters and towards billionaires and transnational corporations.

In July of last year, discussing SCOTUS’s 5/4 conservative vote on Citizens United, President Jimmy Carter told me: “It violates the essence of what made America a great country in its political system. Now it’s just an oligarchy with unlimited political bribery.” He added: “[W]e’ve just seen a complete subversion of our political system as a payoff to major contributors.”

As Princeton researchers Gilens and Page demonstrated in an exhaustive analysis of the difference between what most Americans want their politicians to do legislatively, versus what American politicians actually do, it’s pretty clear that President Carter was right.

They found that while the legislative priorities of the top 10 percent of Americans are consistently made into law, things the bottom 90 percent want are ignored. In other words, today in America, democracy only “works” for the top 10 percent of Americans.

For thousands of years, economists and economic observers from Aristotle to Adam Smith to Thomas Picketty have told us that a “middle class” is not a normal by-product of raw, unregulated capitalism — what right-wing ideologues call “the free market.”

Instead, unregulated markets — particularly markets not regulated by significant taxation on predatory incomes — invariably lead to the opposite of a healthy middle class: They produce extremes of inequality, which are as dangerous to democracy as cancer is to a living being.

With so-called “unregulated free markets,” the rich become super-rich, while grinding poverty spreads among working people like a heroin epidemic. This further polarizes the nation, both economically and politically, which, perversely, further cements the power of the oligarchs.

While there’s a clear moral dimension to this — pointed out by Adam Smith in his classic “Theory of Moral Sentiments” — there’s also a vital political dimension.

Smith noted, in 1759, that, “All constitutions of government are valued only in proportion as they tend to promote the happiness of those who live under them. This is their sole use and end.”

Jefferson was acutely aware of this: The Declaration of Independence was the first founding document of any nation in the history of the world that explicitly declared “happiness” as a “right” that should be protected and promoted by government.

That was not at all, however, a consideration for the architects of supply-side Reaganomics, although they appropriated JFK’s “rising tide lifts all boats” metaphor to sell their hustle to (boatless) working people.

Far more troubling (and well-known to both Smith and virtually all of our nation’s Founders), however, was Aristotle’s observation that when a nation pursues economic or political activities that destroy its middle class, it will inevitably devolve either into mob rule or oligarchy. As he noted in “The Politics“:

“Now in all states there are three elements: One class is very rich, another very poor, and a third in a mean. . . . But a [government] ought to be composed, as far as possible, of equals and similars; and these are generally the middle classes.

“Thus it is manifest that the best political community is formed by citizens of the middle class, and that those states are likely to be well-administered in which the middle class is large, and stronger if possible than both the other classes, or at any rate than either singly; for the addition of the middle class turns the scale, and prevents either of the extremes from being dominant.”

This is how America was for the Boomer generation: A 30-year-old in the 1970s had a 90 percent chance of having or attaining a higher standard of living than his or her parents. But, since the 1980s introduction of Reaganomics, there’s been more than a 70-percent drop in “social mobility” — the ability to move from one economic station of life into a better one.

So, if our democratic republic is to return to democracy and what’s left of our middle class is to survive (or even grow), how do we do that?

History shows that the two primary regulators within a capitalist system that provide for the emergence of a middle class are progressive taxation and a healthy social safety net.

As Jefferson noted in a 1785 letter to Madison, “Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions of property in geometrical progression as they rise."

Similarly, Thomas Paine, proposing in “Agrarian Justice” (1797) what we today call Social Security, said that a democracy can only survive when its people, “See before them the certainty of escaping the miseries that under other governments accompany old age.” Such a strong social safety net, Paine argued, “will have an advocate and an ally in the heart of all nations.”

Tragically, Republicans are today planning to destroy both our nation’s progressive taxation system and our social safety net, in obsequious service to their billionaire paymasters.

Flipping Jefferson and FDR on their heads, Republicans are proposing multi-million-dollar tax breaks for the rich, with a few-hundred-dollars bone tossed in for working people.

Meanwhile, Republicans are already hard at work.

As Ian Milheiser notes, “Republicans in the House hope to cut Social Security benefits by 20 to 50 percent. Speaker Paul Ryan’s plan to voucherize Medicare would drive up out-of-pocket costs for seniors by about 40 percent. Then he’d cut Medicaid by between a third and a half.”

If Gingrich, Ryan, et al succeed in destroying FDR’s legacy programs, not only will the bottom 90 percent of Americans suffer, but what little democracy we have left in this republic will evaporate, and history suggests it will probably be replaced by a violent, kleptocratic oligarchy.

Hang on tight — the ride could get rough.
 
Opinion piece by a self described liberal, democratic-socialist, who happens to be a vegetarian...........Scout will love this one.....:D
 
Opinion piece by a self described liberal, democratic-socialist, who happens to be a vegetarian...........Scout will love this one.....:D


You "LEFT" off one of the original users of AIR AMERICA.
Rachel Maddow, Al Franken
MSNBC FAKE NEWS

Foolish Leftist Democrats...

You no longer can hide behind your ...:oops:
Liberal Media Propagandist ...


 
Opinion piece by a self described liberal, democratic-socialist, who happens to be a vegetarian...........Scout will love this one.....:D

So you disagree with the message or the messenger? Because one is incredibly lazy and intellectually dishonest, and you didn't say much about the message so I'll assume you're as lazy and dim as Scout on this one.
 
So you disagree with the message or the messenger? Because one is incredibly lazy and intellectually dishonest, and you didn't say much about the message so I'll assume you're as lazy and dim as Scout on this one.

Obviously you are ignoring the "fact" that I just posted the source of your Liberal Propaganda.

Rachel Maddow AIR AMERICA
 
Obviously you are ignoring the "fact" that I just posted the source of your Liberal Propaganda.

Rachel Maddow AIR AMERICA

Ya know Gubbby,

Dissection of Media is what I do...

Post a "REAL" non-opinion page stance on an issue and I will discuss it.

Keep putting this same regurgitated MSNBC propaganda out and I will expose it every time I get the chance.
 
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Opinion piece by a self described liberal, democratic-socialist, who happens to be a vegetarian...........Scout will love this one.....:D

If you decide to actually read the entire piece, let me know what he said that isn't true. If it is your stance that the forefathers he quoted were wrong, explain it to me. I would really like to know why the republicans don't value having a thriving middle class. Instead of flippantly saying he is a liberal, explain what he specifically is wrong about.
 
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If you decide to actually read the entire piece, let me know what he said that isn't true. If it is your stance that the forefathers he quoted were wrong, explain it to me. I would really like to know why the republicans don't value having a thriving middle class. Instead of flippantly saying he is a liberal, explain what he specifically is wrong about.

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I would really like to know why the republicans don't value having a thriving middle class.
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Ridiculous Statement;
You can not be taken seriously...o_O
 
If you decide to actually read the entire piece, let me know what he said that isn't true. If it is your stance that the forefathers he quoted were wrong, explain it to me. I would really like to know why the republicans don't value having a thriving middle class. Instead of flippantly saying he is a liberal, explain what he specifically is wrong about.

I disagree with said content. It is someone's OPINION.

A liberal, socialist, OPINION.

I will not argue every liberal OPINION.

I think liberals are wrong, argue FACTS.

There is no need to argue OPINION, argue FACTS.

Who controls the WH, the senate and the congress? Republican's

Looks like that overbearing, condescending, smarter than thou tone is working good for the libs, huh?



The dems have a good message, articulate it, quit insulting anyone that questions it.
 
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I disagree with said content. It is someone's OPINION.

A liberal, socialist, OPINION.

I will not argue every liberal OPINION.

I think liberals are wrong, argue FACTS.

There is no need to argue OPINION, argue FACTS.

Who controls the WH, the senate and the congress? Republican's

Looks like that overbearing, condescending, smarter than thou tone is working good for the libs, huh?



The dems have a good message, articulate it, quit insulting anyone that questions it.
 
Message boards are for discussion. If you prefer to ridicule instead of discuss so be it.
I was hoping to find out if a conservative truly believes that the paragraphs below were not true. I was wasting my time. Not much deep thinking going on during the holidays, I guess.


For thousands of years, economists and economic observers from Aristotle to Adam Smith to Thomas Picketty have told us that a “middle class” is not a normal by-product of raw, unregulated capitalism — what right-wing ideologues call “the free market.”

Instead, unregulated markets — particularly markets not regulated by significant taxation on predatory incomes — invariably lead to the opposite of a healthy middle class: They produce extremes of inequality, which are as dangerous to democracy as cancer is to a living being.

With so-called “unregulated free markets,” the rich become super-rich, while grinding poverty spreads among working people like a heroin epidemic. This further polarizes the nation, both economically and politically, which, perversely, further cements the power of the oligarchs.
 
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Liberals post links that ridicule, than wonder why conservatives don't want to engage?

When you guys can ask an honest question, desire proactive debate, or want to solve problems, I will be happy to oblige. When you want to post links of some fruit loops, socialist opinion, not so much.
 
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Liberals post links that ridicule, than wonder why conservatives don't want to engage?

When you guys can ask an honest question, desire proactive debate, or want to solve problems, I will be happy to oblige. When you want to post links of some fruit loops, socialist opinion, not so much.
Here's an honest question. When has trickle down economics really worked for the poor to lower middle class.
 
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Liberals post links that ridicule, than wonder why conservatives don't want to engage?

When you guys can ask an honest question, desire proactive debate, or want to solve problems, I will be happy to oblige. When you want to post links of some fruit loops, socialist opinion, not so much.

Those were economists from the past 200+ years.

You gentlemen cry about regulations.
But you don't think about what would happen if we were a pure free market system. It would be chaos.
 
All of the articles is plausible. The degree that influences a difference is debatable. Very impressive yet so far from what affects the normal joe now or in the future.
 
Liberals post links that ridicule, than wonder why conservatives don't want to engage?

When you guys can ask an honest question, desire proactive debate, or want to solve problems, I will be happy to oblige. When you want to post links of some fruit loops, socialist opinion, not so much.

Everything I've posted today has been in a questioning tone, if you've taken it as insult then maybe you know you're in the wrong on some of these issues.

I want discourse and am in no way trying to "insult" anyone. Can you tell me what is patently wrong in the original post or are content to just scream "I don't like you so I'm going to subvert the discussion" and try to do your best to be turds in the punch bowl like Miller and Scout? I sincerely thought better of you.
 
I would really like to know why the republicans don't value having a thriving middle class. Instead of flippantly saying he is a liberal, explain what he specifically is wrong about.

That is just plain trolling.
Why would we want a thriving middle class?
If it was said by a liberal, IT IS WRONG.
 
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That is just plain trolling.
Why would we want a thriving middle class?
If it was said by a liberal, IT IS WRONG.

Republican policymakers don't seem to care if there is a healthy middle class or not.

-Tax breaks for the 1%

-deregulation in favor of the wealthy

- attempting to cut SS and Medicade

-eliminating progressive taxation
 
Republican policymakers don't seem to care if there is a healthy middle class or not.

-Tax breaks for the 1%

-deregulation in favor of the wealthy

- attempting to cut SS and Medicade

-eliminating progressive taxation

And what job did Government ever make that wasn't helped by the private sector?

"Creating Welfare States" that supply the Democrats with votes each year do not count.
 
Everything I've posted today has been in a questioning tone, if you've taken it as insult then maybe you know you're in the wrong on some of these issues.

I want discourse and am in no way trying to "insult" anyone. Can you tell me what is patently wrong in the original post or are content to just scream "I don't like you so I'm going to subvert the discussion" and try to do your best to be turds in the punch bowl like Miller and Scout? I sincerely thought better of you.

This is why ^ ^ ^

You cannot even tell someone you are not trying to insult them, without insulting them.
 
Republican policymakers don't seem to care if there is a healthy middle class or not.

-Tax breaks for the 1%

-deregulation in favor of the wealthy

- attempting to cut SS and Medicade

-eliminating progressive taxation

Tax breaks for everyone.

Deregulation for everyone.

Fix SS and Medicaid (not Medicade)

Flat tax is better.
 
This is why ^ ^ ^

You cannot even tell someone you are not trying to insult them, without insulting them.

You know what, nevermind. Either you're being intentionally obtuse in an attempt to annoy me, or you just really don't get it. Either way, have a great day.
 
And you admonish ME for not wanting to rebuttal a post? o_O

The thing you fail to take into account is that Miller and I have a long unpleasant history. I sincerely despise him and am acutely embarrassed that we are the same species.

I have no real issue with you, but your insistence on being intentionally obtuse (at best) is wearing thin. I've been cordial to you, there is no reason to be so evasive and acerbic in your responses.
 
Here's an honest question. When has trickle down economics really worked for the poor to lower middle class.

Well, thank you very much for politely asking vb,

I cannot, and or, won't look for some fancy study that shows trickle down works. I can however state how it has affected the company where I have worked for some 22 years.

Earlier in my employment, our owner was paying all of our health ins and we were getting cost of living raises. As time went on, we started having to pay some of our own ins, and I haven't had a raise in 4 years. I see firsthand the increased regulations and the cost associated with them. I have watched businesses similar to ours close the door because of burdensome regulations.

Our owner has verbalized his dismay and disappointment as the government has continued it's assault on our company and it's capability to remain viable.

My opinion would be that if the government would enforce REASONABLE regulations on business, many more would thrive, therefore being profitable and expanding which in turn would be good for us middle class workers who need a good job.

I could go on, but you get my point. I am sure someone will chastise me for my anecdotal evidence anyway:)
 
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The thing you fail to take into account is that Miller and I have a long unpleasant history. I sincerely despise him and am acutely embarrassed that we are the same species.

I have no real issue with you, but your insistence on being intentionally obtuse (at best) is wearing thin. I've been cordial to you, there is no reason to be so evasive and acerbic in your responses.

I am glad you don't have an issue with me. However you just called me obtuse (stupid, unintelligent, simpleminded) and evasive (ambiguous, unclear) and acerbic (sarcastic, bitter, unkind, malicious).

Sometimes one just doesn't want to write a 10,000 word essay to respond to an insulting, condescending post. I will try to do better in the future.
 
I am glad you don't have an issue with me. However you just called me obtuse (stupid, unintelligent, simpleminded) and evasive (ambiguous, unclear) and acerbic (sarcastic, bitter, unkind, malicious).

Sometimes one just doesn't want to write a 10,000 word essay to respond to an insulting, condescending post. I will try to do better in the future.

If you found it insulting, it's probably because it hits too close to home and you know deep down it's true.
 
Well, thank you very much for politely asking vb,

I cannot, and or, won't look for some fancy study that shows trickle down works. I can however state how it has affected the company where I have worked for some 22 years.

Earlier in my employment, our owner was paying all of our health ins and we were getting cost of living raises. As time went on, we started having to pay some of our own ins, and I haven't had a raise in 4 years. I see firsthand the increased regulations and the cost associated with them. I have watched businesses similar to ours close the door because of burdensome regulations.

Our owner has verbalized his dismay and disappointment as the government has continued it's assault on our company and it's capability to remain viable.

My opinion would be that if the government would enforce REASONABLE regulations on business, many more would thrive, therefore being profitable and expanding which in turn would be good for us middle class workers who need a good job.

I could go on, but you get my point. I am sure someone will chastise me for my anecdotal evidence anyway:)

Blaming government regulation for business failure is so cliche. If an industry changes and you can't compete, it's so nice to have a built in excuse. Damn government.
 
Blaming government regulation for business failure is so cliche. If an industry changes and you can't compete, it's so nice to have a built in excuse. Damn government.

That is 100% not what I said was affecting our business. It is excessive government regulations, not industry changes, but carry on .
 
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If you found it insulting, it's probably because it hits too close to home and you know deep down it's true.

Whatever you say, captain.

We are probably the only two on this board who voted for GJ, but you spend an awful lot of time putting down my political leanings.
 
Democrats don't do enough if very little for the true middle class.

Sean McElwee urges Democrats to find a new way to appeal to the working class:

For decades, thinkers on the left have wondered why the working class regularly votes against its own interests....Thomas Frank argued that social issues obscure economic motives, and indeed the most salient non-economic one has always been race, at least in this country....Nixon’s “law and order campaign” played on racial fears, as did Reagan’s denunciation of “welfare queens.” Republicans played at race to win solid majorities for decades while actively working against the interests of the majority of Americans. The left has much to learn about this strategy. It needs to fundamentally re-align Americans around an issue with a deep and latent importance: the environment.

I don't really want to pick on McElwee here, but I guess I'm feeling a little peevish this morning. Why is it that the working class often votes against its own economic interests? Well, let's compare the sales pitches of the Republican and Democratic parties when it comes to pocketbook issues:

  • Republicans: We will lower your taxes.
  • Democrats: We, um, support policies that encourage a fairer distribution of growth and....and....working man....party of FDR....um....
There are two problems with the Democratic approach. First, it's too abstract to appeal to anyone. Second, it's not true anyway. Democrats simply don't consistently support concrete policies that help the broad working and middle classes. Half of them voted for the bankruptcy bill of 2005. They've done virtually nothing to stem the growth of monopolies and next to nothing to improve consumer protection in visible ways. They don't do anything for labor. They're soft on protecting Social Security. They bailed out the banks but refused to bail out underwater homeowners. Hell, they can't even agree to kill the carried interest loophole, a populist favorite if ever there was one.

Sure, Democrats do plenty for the poor. They support increases in the EITC and the minimum wage. They support Medicaid expansion. They passed Obamacare. They support pre-K for vulnerable populations. They expanded CHIP. But virtually none of this really benefits the working or middle classes except at the margins.

Now McElwee wants to use environmentalism to appeal to the working class. I'm all for that. But you don't have to play 11-dimensional chess to figure out how Republicans will respond. They'll say that Democrats want to raise your taxes. They'll say Democrats want to take away your plastic bags. They'll say Democrats want to make us all drive tiny cars or take the train everywhere. In coal country they'll say Democrats want to take away your jobs.

And then Democrats will wonder yet again why a big chunk of the working class votes for Republicans. It's a stumper all right.

Apologies for being peevish. But honestly, Democrats have done virtually nothing for the middle class for three decades now. They're nearly as reliant on the business community for campaign funding as Republicans. Can we all stop pretending that there's some deep mystery about why lots of working and middle class voters figure there are no real economic differences between the parties, so they might as well vote on social issues instead?
 
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That is 100% not what I said was affecting our business. It is excessive government regulations, not industry changes, but carry on .

Yes. And I noticed you didn't give a specific unreasonable regulation. Because 99% of the time, it's a B.S. excuse. Companies make bad decisions or are simply noncompetitive and blame the Feds.
 
Yes. And I noticed you didn't give a specific unreasonable regulation. Because 99% of the time, it's a B.S. excuse. Companies make bad decisions or are simply noncompetitive and blame the Feds.

I guess you must be correct, since you know so much about my workplace. And people wonder why problems cannot be corrected, or people come to a compromise.

I told you a legitimate concern and you call my company a failure and my concern B.S.

Carry on.
 
I guess you must be correct, since you know so much about my workplace. And people wonder why problems cannot be corrected, or people come to a compromise.

I told you a legitimate concern and you call my company a failure and my concern B.S.

Carry on.

Still waiting for a specific example of an unreasonable regulation that is just killing your company.......................
 
Democrats don't do enough if very little for the true middle class.

Sean McElwee urges Democrats to find a new way to appeal to the working class:

For decades, thinkers on the left have wondered why the working class regularly votes against its own interests....Thomas Frank argued that social issues obscure economic motives, and indeed the most salient non-economic one has always been race, at least in this country....Nixon’s “law and order campaign” played on racial fears, as did Reagan’s denunciation of “welfare queens.” Republicans played at race to win solid majorities for decades while actively working against the interests of the majority of Americans. The left has much to learn about this strategy. It needs to fundamentally re-align Americans around an issue with a deep and latent importance: the environment.

I don't really want to pick on McElwee here, but I guess I'm feeling a little peevish this morning. Why is it that the working class often votes against its own economic interests? Well, let's compare the sales pitches of the Republican and Democratic parties when it comes to pocketbook issues:

  • Republicans: We will lower your taxes.
  • Democrats: We, um, support policies that encourage a fairer distribution of growth and....and....working man....party of FDR....um....
There are two problems with the Democratic approach. First, it's too abstract to appeal to anyone. Second, it's not true anyway. Democrats simply don't consistently support concrete policies that help the broad working and middle classes. Half of them voted for the bankruptcy bill of 2005. They've done virtually nothing to stem the growth of monopolies and next to nothing to improve consumer protection in visible ways. They don't do anything for labor. They're soft on protecting Social Security. They bailed out the banks but refused to bail out underwater homeowners. Hell, they can't even agree to kill the carried interest loophole, a populist favorite if ever there was one.

Sure, Democrats do plenty for the poor. They support increases in the EITC and the minimum wage. They support Medicaid expansion. They passed Obamacare. They support pre-K for vulnerable populations. They expanded CHIP. But virtually none of this really benefits the working or middle classes except at the margins.

Now McElwee wants to use environmentalism to appeal to the working class. I'm all for that. But you don't have to play 11-dimensional chess to figure out how Republicans will respond. They'll say that Democrats want to raise your taxes. They'll say Democrats want to take away your plastic bags. They'll say Democrats want to make us all drive tiny cars or take the train everywhere. In coal country they'll say Democrats want to take away your jobs.

And then Democrats will wonder yet again why a big chunk of the working class votes for Republicans. It's a stumper all right.

Apologies for being peevish. But honestly, Democrats have done virtually nothing for the middle class for three decades now. They're nearly as reliant on the business community for campaign funding as Republicans. Can we all stop pretending that there's some deep mystery about why lots of working and middle class voters figure there are no real economic differences between the parties, so they might as well vote on social issues instead?

SS and Medicare. When those are gutted by the republicans, get back with us.
 
I guess you must be correct, since you know so much about my workplace. And people wonder why problems cannot be corrected, or people come to a compromise.

I told you a legitimate concern and you call my company a failure and my concern B.S.

Carry on.

I really do not get why Gubbba keeps insulting you???

You may be the only friend he has left.

Your answer to the question of how Government impacts business was well thought out and articulated.

It is interesting how people post on this site "expecting" a desired outcome.

When they find that not all people agree with them...

"they become Deplorable's"

I for one liked your answer...:)
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Duck on the other hand believes Government creates jobs and can do no wrong.

This is my response to him...

Solyndra (-) $500,000,000.00

Keep in mind though he is a book burner an therefore has already rejected my response with IGNORE.




 
SS and Medicare. When those are gutted by the republicans, get back with us.

Duck it is not like the Dems did anything to help save it when they had the majority years ago or anything since then...You act like the middle class should bow down and worship at the feet of the Democrat Gods because they talk a good game. They have issue just as the Pubs. Neither in my book deserve my vote. But unlike you I am a true independent and realize both parties have issues that need to be pointed out. You would swallow anything the Dems told you too hook like and sinker.
 
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