No middle class, no republic: GOP plans to destroy America’s safety net will also kill democracy

[sbdude]

Yes. And I noticed you didn't give a specific unreasonable regulation. Because 99% of the time, it's a B.S. excuse. Companies make bad decisions or are simply noncompetitive and blame the Feds.

I can tell you that my area spent 2 consecutive years of production cycles just working on compliance with new regulations. Now the even worse part of this is that the new regulations were really just rehashing of existing regulations. The new stuff really does nothing to aid the consumer whatsoever over what already existed but it was nice that we could lose a couple years of production of new product to that. In my area, I would estimate the well over 50% of our time is spent on regulatory compliance.

 

[Duck_walk]

Duck it is not like the Dems did anything to help save it when they had the majority years ago or anything since then...You act like the middle class should bow down and worship at the feet of the Democrat Gods because they talk a good game. They have issue just as the Pubs. Neither in my book deserve my vote. But unlike you I am a true independent and realize both parties have issues that need to be pointed out. You would swallow anything the Dems told you too hook like and sinker.

I would swallow anything the Dems say?
Is this opposite day?

Obviously you don't pay attention.
The biggest Clinton critic on mosports was me. The fix for SS without having to severely cut benefits is simple. But that's not what the republicans propose. Whether it fits your narrative or not, at least the Dems aren't trying to cut the benefits to the bone. And if you don't know their stance on Medicare, god help you. The parties are not the same on this issue. Hate to burst your bubble.

 

[wcowherd]

I can tell you that my area spent 2 consecutive years of production cycles just working on compliance with new regulations. Now the even worse part of this is that the new regulations were really just rehashing of existing regulations. The new stuff really does nothing to aid the consumer whatsoever over what already existed but it was nice that we could lose a couple years of production of new product to that. In my area, I would estimate the well over 50% of our time is spent on regulatory compliance.

What is your area?

 

[eaglesalumni]

Still waiting for a specific example of an unreasonable regulation that is just killing your company.......................

Keep waiting. You honestly cannot be daft enough to think government regulations don't stifle business. I could name several, specific, unneeded regulations, but you already know there are plenty.
By naming them I could reveal my place of business. I choose not to.

 

[millerbleach]

Keep waiting. You honestly cannot be daft enough to think government regulations don't stifle business. I could name several, specific, unneeded regulations, but you already know there are plenty.
By naming them I would reveal my place of business. I choose not to.

If you named them, he would just claim those regulations were necessary to save lives, prevent corruption, or save the planet. That is the main problem with libs, they have never met a government employee or program that wasn't necessary.

 

[Scout 4u]

Save the Spotted Owl...
Put America out of work...

 

[Gubbba Bump Shrimp]

I can tell you that my area spent 2 consecutive years of production cycles just working on compliance with new regulations. Now the even worse part of this is that the new regulations were really just rehashing of existing regulations. The new stuff really does nothing to aid the consumer whatsoever over what already existed but it was nice that we could lose a couple years of production of new product to that. In my area, I would estimate the well over 50% of our time is spent on regulatory compliance.

So is the answer less regulation or a streamlining of regulatory agencies to reduce conflicting regulations?

Regulation isn't necessarily the problem, we NEED some regulations, but perhaps they don't need to come from 4 different agencies.

Overreaching bureocracy is the problem.

 

[Gubbba Bump Shrimp]

If you named them, he would just claim those regulations were necessary to save lives, prevent corruption, or save the planet.

You act like that's a bad thing?

You people forget the Cuyahoga River burning because companies (with no regulation) dumped God knows what chemicals into the river.

 

[Gubbba Bump Shrimp]

I can tell you that my area spent 2 consecutive years of production cycles just working on compliance with new regulations. Now the even worse part of this is that the new regulations were really just rehashing of existing regulations. The new stuff really does nothing to aid the consumer whatsoever over what already existed but it was nice that we could lose a couple years of production of new product to that. In my area, I would estimate the well over 50% of our time is spent on regulatory compliance.

If it was just rehashing existing regulation, why did it take 2 years to get in complience? Is your company really that bad at what it does?

 

[Gubbba Bump Shrimp]

Keep waiting. You honestly cannot be daft enough to think government regulations don't stifle business. I could name several, specific, unneeded regulations, but you already know there are plenty.
By naming them I could reveal my place of business. I choose not to.

You could just say that you don't have any examples. We'd all respect you more if you were just honest about it.

 

[Scout 4u]

You could just say that you don't have any examples. We'd all respect you more if you were just honest about it.

You use the word "we'd" as if someone agrees with you..
They don't...

 

[eaglesalumni]

You could just say that you don't have any examples. We'd all respect you more if you were just honest about it.

I could say that, but I would be lying. You know yourself that there is unneeded regulation.
Why are you arguing this point when you know I am correct?

 

[Gubbba Bump Shrimp]

I could say that, but I would be lying. You know yourself that there is unneeded regulation.
Why are you arguing this point when you know I am correct?

I do believe there is too much government, having said that, deregulation everything might be the way to fix industry, but at what cost?

Idk if you have kids or not, but what is their health worth to you? What is their ability to have access to clean air and water worth?

Just things I think you're being intellectually dishonest about if you are one of the "No regulations, no problems" group.

 

[Duck_walk]

You could just say that you don't have any examples. We'd all respect you more if you were just honest about it.

Most regulations are perfectly fine and are there for good reason. Some are overly cumbersome or improperly enforced and need adjustments.

Do these people not know all of the hidden fees and nefarious actions banks used to propagate on Americans before having their chops busted by the USA?

Car companies fought seat belt and airbag requirements like pitbulls. Child-proof caps on medicine has saved thousands of lives.
How many people died regularly in mining accidents prior to regs being put in place?
Asbestos anyone? Let's be real. Blaming Regs for business failure is usually a lame excuse.

 

[Scout 4u]

Most regulations are perfectly fine and are there for good reason. Some are overly cumbersome or improperly enforced and need adjustments.

Do these people not know all of the hidden fees and nefarious actions banks used to propagate on Americans before having their chops busted by the USA?

Car companies fought seat belt and airbag requirements like pitbulls. Child-proof caps on medicine has saved thousands of lives.
How many people died regularly in mining accidents prior to regs being put in place?
Asbestos anyone? Let's be real. Blaming Regs for business failure is usually a lame excuse.

EXTREMIST

 

[eaglesalumni]

I do believe there is too much government, having said that, deregulation everything might be the way to fix industry, but at what cost?

Idk if you have kids or not, but what is their health worth to you? What is their ability to have access to clean air and water worth?

Just things I think you're being intellectually dishonest about if you are one of the "No regulations, no problems" group.

Did I say anywhere in any of my above post that I was advocating for NO government regulations?

I stated that excessive, unneeded regulations was hurting the company I work for, along with the employees. This is a fact.

 

[Gubbba Bump Shrimp]

Most regulations are perfectly fine and are there for good reason. Some are overly cumbersome or improperly enforced and need adjustments.

Do these people not know all of the hidden fees and nefarious actions banks used to propagate on Americans before having their chops busted by the USA?

Car companies fought seat belt and airbag requirements like pitbulls. Child-proof caps on medicine has saved thousands of lives.
How many people died regularly in mining accidents prior to regs being put in place?
Asbestos anyone? Let's be real. Blaming Regs for business failure is usually a lame excuse.

They don't know, nor do they care.

You going to the Park Hills Christmas Tournament at all?

 

[Gubbba Bump Shrimp]

Did I say anywhere in any of my above post that I was advocating for NO government regulations?

I stated that excessive, unneeded regulations was hurting the company I work for, along with the employees. This is a fact.

Proof or it isn't happening.

Why should I just take your word for it?

 

[Scout 4u]

Proof or it isn't happening.

Why should I just take your word for it?

Maybe because you were 3 when most of us were retiring.

 

[runyouover]

EXTREMIST

Child proof caps.
Seat belts.
Mining safety Regs.
Consumer banking protections.
You called that extremist.
This shows what a mother ..... moron you are.

 

[Scout 4u]

Child proof caps.
Seat belts.
Mining safety Regs.
Consumer banking protections.
You called that extremist.
This shows what a mother ..... moron you are.

Let's see...
you have had your drivers permit for how long?

 

[Duck_walk]

They don't know, nor do they care.

You going to the Park Hills Christmas Tournament at all?

I went Monday night. I might go later in the week.

 

[Gubbba Bump Shrimp]

I went Monday night. I might go later in the week.

Yeah I was there Monday, Hillsboro looked good. Had to leave around the 3rd quarter of Festus-Potosi. Kids got restless.

 

[eaglesalumni]

Proof or it isn't happening.

Why should I just take your word for it?

Don't, who cares?

 

[Gubbba Bump Shrimp]

Don't, who cares?

You've just lost a ton of credibility.

 

[eaglesalumni]

You've just lost a ton of credibility.

Why is that?

Because you won't admit what I say is correct?

Just because you won't accept the truth, doesn't make it less true.

Someone may have lost credibility, wasn't me.

 

[Gubbba Bump Shrimp]

Why is that?

Because you won't admit what I say is correct?

Just because you won't accept the truth, doesn't make it less true.

Someone may have lost credibility, wasn't me.

Lol because I haven't admitted that unnecessary regulation can be a detriment to business...oh wait...I did admit that (by my estimation), you just want any reason to disagree with me.

Meanwhile, you want to just make claims and not back them up in any substantial way...

 

[vbsideout]

Well, thank you very much for politely asking vb,

I cannot, and or, won't look for some fancy study that shows trickle down works. I can however state how it has affected the company where I have worked for some 22 years.

Earlier in my employment, our owner was paying all of our health ins and we were getting cost of living raises. As time went on, we started having to pay some of our own ins, and I haven't had a raise in 4 years. I see firsthand the increased regulations and the cost associated with them. I have watched businesses similar to ours close the door because of burdensome regulations.

Our owner has verbalized his dismay and disappointment as the government has continued it's assault on our company and it's capability to remain viable.

My opinion would be that if the government would enforce REASONABLE regulations on business, many more would thrive, therefore being profitable and expanding which in turn would be good for us middle class workers who need a good job.

I could go on, but you get my point. I am sure someone will chastise me for my anecdotal evidence anyway

Good to know and good for you.

 

[JakeFrmStateFarm]

Why is that?

Because you won't admit what I say is correct?

Just because you won't accept the truth, doesn't make it less true.

Someone may have lost credibility, wasn't me.

Give some examples

 

[sbdude]

So is the answer less regulation or a streamlining of regulatory agencies to reduce conflicting regulations?

Regulation isn't necessarily the problem, we NEED some regulations, but perhaps they don't need to come from 4 different agencies.

Overreaching bureocracy is the problem.

In certain situations, it's actually a little of both. There are some completely asinine regulations that really serve no real purpose that just end up costing money for compliance. There is some very good and necessary regulation. Of course it also carries a compliance cost but the offset is probably necessary.

My response was specifically to the OVER-regulation that is currently happening. New regulations are created on a daily basis without regard to preceding regulation and sometimes those two conflict. It's not an easy process to manage and is very expensive to do so.

We are on the same page with the overreaching bureaucracy. (did I spell that right?)

 

[sbdude]

If it was just rehashing existing regulation, why did it take 2 years to get in complience? Is your company really that bad at what it does?

Actually my company is EXTREMELY good at what we do. It's just that the volume of changes is so great, it takes ALL of the time to do it right. And regulatory compliance is NOT an area to cut corners. The consequences can be very dire.

 

[Gubbba Bump Shrimp]

In certain situations, it's actually a little of both. There are some completely asinine regulations that really serve no real purpose that just end up costing money for compliance. There is some very good and necessary regulation. Of course it also carries a compliance cost but the offset is probably necessary.

My response was specifically to the OVER-regulation that is currently happening. New regulations are created on a daily basis without regard to preceding regulation and sometimes those two conflict. It's not an easy process to manage and is very expensive to do so.

We are on the same page with the overreaching bureaucracy. (did I spell that right?)

Looks right to me lol.

I think we're essentially on the same page, may have differing ideas on how best to deal with the issue, but we're both on the same general path.

 

[Gubbba Bump Shrimp]

Actually my company is EXTREMELY good at what we do. It's just that the volume of changes is so great, it takes ALL of the time to do it right. And regulatory compliance is NOT an area to cut corners. The consequences can be very dire.

Well then I retract my snarky comment.

 

[Scout 4u]

Give some examples

Well then I retract my snarky comment.

Which one?

 

[eaglesalumni]

Lol because I haven't admitted that unnecessary regulation can be a detriment to business...oh wait...I did admit that (by my estimation), you just want any reason to disagree with me.

Meanwhile, you want to just make claims and not back them up in any substantial way...

So you are agreeing with what I say, but I have to prove it ?

Goodnight Gubbba. I have work to do.

 

[Gubbba Bump Shrimp]

So you are agreeing with what I say, but I have to prove it ?

Goodnight Gubbba. I have work to do.

Did I say that I agree 100% with you?

 

[Scout 4u]

Did I say that I agree 100% with you?

He said goodnight...
He's through with you on other words.

 

[millerbleach]

You've just lost a ton of credibility.

I'm sure he is now terrified.

 

[millerbleach]

Eliminating regulations to free up business is a bad thing in the eyes of libs. There is no way to show them otherwise. They think every government regulation is going to be eliminated because there is no way a conservative could make smart cuts. They still can't get over losing control.

 

[Gubbba Bump Shrimp]

I'm sure he is now terrified.

Do you have a household income of over $250,000? I doubt it, so why are you so cavalier about the shrinking middle class?

I get that you somehow think you'll be one of the lucky ones who gets rich and the Republicans will accept you, you're probably wrong. If the middle class goes away it affects everyone negatively, how do you not get that?