National Anthem Question
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World War II. I believe at baseball games.
Have no prob w/ teams locking hands 2show solidarity.But kneeling is disrespectful.Teams are there to represent communities not individuals
Thanks, I have researched a little and can not find where/why that started. I have been curious. Not trying to start another debate.
Started during the 1918 World Series, between halves of the 7th inning.
The NFL should just do like the High School programs do and keep the players in the Locker Room during the National Anthem.
Just kind of sad that these so called role models can collect enormous paychecks funded by hard working Americans for playing an American game but they can't stand at least pretend to love the country that men and women of all color have sacrificed EVERYTHING for their worthless asses!!
Just kind of sad that these so called role models can collect enormous paychecks funded by hard working Americans for playing an American game but they can't stand at least pretend to love the country that men and women of all color have sacrificed EVERYTHING for their worthless asses!!
Absolutely. Although I think the DOD paid the NFL to have the players out there for the anthem.
Just confirmed on CNN by an author on a book about the Anthem that it was in 2009 when this was done. Before then, teams stayed in the locker room.
A 2015 congressional report revealed that the Department of Defense had paid $5.4 million to NFL teams between 2011 and 2014 to stage on-field patriotic ceremonies; the National Guard shelled out $6.7 million for similar displays between 2013 and 2015.
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And millionaire ingrates disrespecting those around them sends what kind of message? Easy to end. You don't have First Amendment rights in the work place. But owners don't have balls nowadays in our snowflake world.
In some ways yes, but there is also a code of conduct that must be adhered to also. The owner's have a right to fire employee's that do not follow conduct rules.
If the NFL decided to make a violation for players to kneel during the flag ceremony...to fine or ban them from games. There would be no Constitutional grounds under the First Amendment to use in court to overturn the rule. You do not have First Amendment rights in the workplace.
I don’t think you understand the first amendment. The first amendment protects you from the government punishing you for your speech. It does not protect you from your work punishing you.
Did you read what I said? The point I was making is that people think the players have a Constitutional right to kneel or say what they want on the sideline at the workplace. I am making the same point. It has nothing to do with a contractual obligation to an employer. You have a right to free speech in the public sphere, but you might get your ass fired for it in the workplace (AKA a football sideline.)
The best knee I ever took was in victory formation at the end of the game.
That stuff wouldn't go over to good in Harrisonville! Or Webb City! Or KMO! Or most small towns that we all choose to raise our kids in!
They do have a constitutional right to do that in the workplace though. That’s the point. The first amendment protects people from punishment from the government, even in the workplace.
Have to disagree this time. The PG video between Donald Trump and Billy Bush proves that. The second referenced "Bush" did nothing illegal but was still fired. I think the other guy got a better job but not sure.
From what I said before, I do not know if the contract between the armed services and the NFL is still in effect.
The first amendment does not protect you from being fired. It protects you from prosecution by the government. Billy Bush was not charged with a crime for his comments.
Here is another angle but basically same concept.
I as an employer cannot refuse to hire you because of your beliefs but I can fire you if you push your beliefs on others if part of your employment contract says it prohibited.
I as an employer cannot refuse to hire you because of your beliefs but I can fire you if you push your beliefs on others if part of your employment contract says it prohibited.
Oh the irony of how people ridiculed Tim Tebow for taking a knee and speaking out about his religion, now these same people are up in arms for the athletes to have the right to knee during the national anthem. People need to relax.....
Mine was to ask the ol'lady to marry me. For whatever reason she agreed(ha fooled her). I can't even get down on a knee without them sounding like snap crackle pop.....
When a kid gets a measly cramp in a game you people expect the other team to take a knee as a "sign of respect" as if that is going to cure cancer or something. Now people taking a knee, bowing their head and locking arms is a disgrace??????? What a bunch of drama queens. Who cares? What will you be beeotching about next week?
None of this has anything to do with 1st Amendment rights.
Under the surface there is the difference of opinion that isn't likely to change soon whether cops are all out there to brutalize minorities or there is no such thing as bad cops. But really at the end of the day it isn't about that...
It is about players taking the best opportunity for exposure but the absolute worst timing for making their point and turning sports events into political forums. If the idea is to bring attention I think those making the statement are tone deaf to the results of the attention they are receiving. Why offend half of your audience? I don't think anyone's mind is being changed as a result of this and I would assume that is the point.
Under the surface there is the difference of opinion that isn't likely to change soon whether cops are all out there to brutalize minorities or there is no such thing as bad cops. But really at the end of the day it isn't about that...
It is about players taking the best opportunity for exposure but the absolute worst timing for making their point and turning sports events into political forums. If the idea is to bring attention I think those making the statement are tone deaf to the results of the attention they are receiving. Why offend half of your audience? I don't think anyone's mind is being changed as a result of this and I would assume that is the point.
Only 10 people kneeled week two. The idiot called them SOBs to fire up recknecks in Alabama. This ignited widespread protests. You cant be much more divisive than this as a "leader".
Oh I agree Trump handled it stupidly. However he is going to come out of this looking better than players who are at least perceived to be disrespting the flag. Actually anyone would come out of this looking better than players at least perceived to be disrespecting the flag. I know people that can't stand Trump that are ticked off at the protests.
"If I had a son, he would look like Trayvon"
"The police acted stupidly"
"Elections have consequences , I won"
"It's not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them"
"That's just how white folks will do ya"
"You didn't build that"
" I don't want my daughters punished by a baby"
Yea, your right duck, obama was perfect.
I all BS on this...
Yes it's true that in 2009 the DOD starting paying the NFL to perform special flag presentations and veteran ceremonies along with the anthem, but I've been to a dozen or more NFL football games in San Francisco, Oakland, and KC, all prior to 2009 and dating back as far as the 80s, and in all of them the teams were present for the anthem.
Maybe it wasn't mandated before 2009 (and I'm not even sure it's mandated now), but teams/players participated in the anthem plenty prior to 2009 (I know I'm not the only one on these boards to have frequented pro football games prior to 2009...)
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He could have just made a quick statement about the Anthem issue and moved on. But no went overboard trying to tell the owners how to do their jobs. Although I am certainly no liberal that rubbed me totally wrong. As for the NFL reaction it speaks for itself.............and I am hearing the same from never-Trumpers.
Calling people SOBs and calling for them to be fired for protesting and not saying squat about a women who was run down and killed by white nationalist protesting is rather alarming to me no matter how much you want to blame Obama. But carry on
So you have one group of undesirables on this side, and another group of undesirables on the other side, and someone gets killed. What should the president say?
Then you have a group of people who are extremely blessed , acting like spoiled brats. What should the president say?
Please don't equate what these spoiled brats are doing with the good works of MLK.
