National Anthem Question
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Here is another angle to look at. You don't think the Donald is still bitter at the NFL all these years later from when he got the other USFL owners to move the league from spring time play to go head to head in the fall. The anti trust lawsuit was won, but only yielded the USLF a dollar in damages. I believe he thought a few teams (including his New Jersey Generals with Jim Kelly & Hershel Walker) might be absorbed into the NFL.
That could factor into Trumps comments but thatbhad nothing to do with Kaepernick or the players that took a knee prior to this week. ,
Like I said there are people that can't stand Trump 99% of the time that agree with him in this case. Remember we are talking about a bunch of millionaires protesting. They aren't the most sympathetic figures, especially right now.
I will say this about NFL players being millionaires. Most of these players were dirt poor before they signed their NFL contract. It's not like they come from generational money. Most came from very disadvantaged economic backgrounds. As we have seen in the ESPN 30 for 30 documentary a large number end up squandering that new found fortune because they never really had the skills to handle it. Add to it that the average NFL career is only a few years. So even though their talents have blessed them financially at a young age, most aren't too far removed from seeing and knowing the experiences of growing up far from their new circumstances.
I sure don't expect the players to kneel when an injury happens. I don't know where/when that started, but I think it's stupid. During a game one time, I watched one teams fans screaming at the other team to take a knee because their player was injured. It was crazy.
I'm just tired of politics. Used to go crazy over them, listen to talk radio all day at work etc. Now I can't take it. I am too busy living life and raising my kid(s) to worry about a guy who makes more in one year than I will in 40 years, protesting a symbol of American freedom. It's in bad taste, but it's their choice. And the last thing I want to do is sit down on a Sunday with some of the little free time I have and listen/watch this BS. Want to make a change? Start volunteering in those communities that are troubled and go from there.
Because you make a bunch of money means you can’t understand or have never experienced pain and suffering?
I feel sorry for people who think this way.
That is a spurious argument at best. I'm not saying that none of them have experienced pain and suffering or that they lack empathy. I think most human beings have that trait. I said they are not the most sympathetic figures in no small part because most of the fact that they make more in one year than most of the people fighting overseas to defend their freedom make in a lifetime.
It was less a comment on the validity of their case than it isn't playing well with the fans.
The NFL has a rulebook( which is concerned with in game actions by players and coaches like scoring,penalties,challenges and so on) and NFL game operations manual to govern the conduct of home clubs,to ensure they protect players and provide condition for a fan friendly game. This manual says the National Anthem be played before every NFL game which players on the field and bench area Stand at attention,face the flag,hold helments in left hand and refrain from talking. So they have 2 rule books which they go by
If fans are judging the protest based on the perceived sympathy and wealth of the protestors, then those people are not very smart, and you have little chance of winning them over anyway.
Where did I say that showing respect for a fallen player is stupid?
I said the kneeling is stupid. Who decided that kneeling is the only way to show respect for an injured player? If one of my players is injured and the other team isn't kneeling, I sure don't take that as disrespect. No one ever did that when I played so I guess no one in that time period was ever respectful of an injured player? Maybe I'm just too old for it?
Seriously, when did the kneeling become the thing to do? I don't remember when I started seeing that.
Protesting during the anthem, in my opinion, and in many others, I might add, is certainly their right. Ironically, it is the right that is secured by the brave men in our armed forces. So, while it is their right, and, in a sense, patriotic, for the reason previously stated, it is disrespectful to choose to do it during the anthem. Now, what, exactly do they, and by enabling it, the owners and coaches, wish to result from this "protest"? Are we not already aware of the issues that are being protested? What are they, anyway? Is it just the impression that black americans are being shot by police? While this occurs, there is certainly much more to the story. The NFL was a $63 billion dollar industry, last year. A real, positive action that every one of these highly paid athletes and extremely highly paid owners could take would be investment in urban communities where drugs and gangs are resulting in engagements with our law enforcement that result in shooting deaths. They could invest time and money in these areas to promote better futures, better relationships with law enforcement, businesses that could offer jobs as opposed to drugs and gangs. Oh, I don't know, promote peace and unity. Then, exercise their rights to run commercials that point out what the NFL is doing, proactively, to make a difference. Point to the section of the stands where you've provided comp. tickets to the kids your organization is helping in the inner cities.
What is happening now, is only creating more strife and division,, but something tells me that is exactly what the the powers behind it all really want.
What is happening now, is only creating more strife and division,, but something tells me that is exactly what the the powers behind it all really want.
You're having a really hard time processing RHCF posts aren't you? Most Americans do not want to hear/see celebrities or pro-athletes preach about politics. Most is the key word. Some eat it up. Not sure why we place more weight on Kaps opinion on law enforcement compared to my neighbor joe(who is a real good guy). But some people do, and it's silly.
And women!!!
Because you should NEVER take into account the credibility of the messenger (unless they disagree with you); got it! Thanks!
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Your original comment was implicit.
Who? Probably the 10s of thousands of football players from youth, high school, college and into the pros for decades. Just a guess.
I'm sure it's not the only way, but it has become the traditional posture on the football field observed by generations of players. If someone has a better way of doing it, I'm sure it will be tried and gain traction.
...and this is the example of the condescension that lead to Trump being elected in the first place.
What is the point of the protest? Who are those taking part trying to reach? Do you think it hurt or helped their cause?
Well that’s not what I said. But in this case, yeah, the percieved credibility of the messenger is a red herring.Because you should NEVER take into account the credibility of the messenger (unless they disagree with you); got it! Thanks!
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I guess the snowflakes offended by that statement will have to deal with it.
Racial injustice was the impetus for the protests.
Open minded, persuadable people.
It’s certainly made people more aware. Whether it’s just caused people to retreat into their corners, I don’t know.
I would say after this past weekend it has very much helped their cause. It's all people are talking about and that is the reason protest. They wanted to get their message out there and they succeeded
What does kneeling for the anthem mean if it doesn't mean I protest or don't respect America. Kap and the others wouldn't be where they are in any other country.
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I bet you could go ask 25 people on the street what they were protesting and not one would give the same answer. Heck I am not even sure what they're worked up about anymore. What they are doing is alienating the people like myself who just don't want to have to listen to it anymore. Ever since August a few years ago, it's been nonstop outrage over EVERY SINGLE THING that has happened. Just gets old. I'm sorry I don't have to deal with the injustices of what a black man in a black community has to deal with. But when your biggest issue is family values and black on black crime, yet you point at a very small issue(percentage wise) and use that as your stone to step on, you're not going to receive much sympathy. This whole thing started because of an incident between a criminal and LEO who was physically attacked.
The more racism is charged, the bigger that basket gets. People are tired of the blatant misuse of labels thrown at normal everyday Americans who just want everyone to shut up and put their heads down.
This football incident just shows how little proof there has to be for charges of racism to be levied.
And the reason why Trump thinks he can use his bully pulpit to call people exercising their first adm. rights to call a group of citizens SOBS and call for their firing. Your better than that Kenny. I don't agree with what they are doing and wish they would quit, but they are breaking no laws. From everything I've read no where does it say they must stand. This tribal warfare has to quit or we are going to destroy ourselves from within. That is exactly what our enemies around the globe want.
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I took a knee twice Sunday, one in protest of $150 NFL game tickets and $60 dollar parking fees. These poor players are getting a little flack for the choices they make, its terrible. Took a family of 4 to a game last year spent $663 for the Chiefs not counting gas food etc.... That's freaking ridiculous. kneel for that players help us out lol.
Oh I know, I am just telling you the Ferguson and following protests and outrage over everything is why so many went with Trump.
This one has ALWAYS baffled me. Never played a down of organized football, but think I understand the sport at a reasonable level. This thing though, just strange. Even the guys on the sideline. Crazy.
The Birds not shipping a bunch of prospects for a 3 mth rental? Oh wait, that's you.
I keed, I keed. Couldn't resist.
