National Anthem Question

[Mitsurugi san]

If you don't know then you are part of the problem.

Just another way of saying you don’t know either.

And I’ve heard this sentiment a lot in the last week; people belittling those who want to know what exactly it is the protesters are seeking. Isn’t the whole point to start a dialogue about the issues? Why then would you belittle those who want to know more about the issues???

And by the way, saying they just want “equality” is like saying I want “world prace”; what is it that constitutes “equality” in the mind of one of these protesters? I bet you could ask 20 of them and get 20 different answers.

If they’re serious about this, they need get together and write up a unified message and/or a list of well thought out demands.

 

[tigershs]

I sure miss the good old days.

Ha Ha Ha Ha!!! That is Funny!

 

[vbsideout]

Just another way of saying you don’t know either.

And I’ve heard this sentiment a lot in the last week; people belittling those who want to know what exactly it is the protesters are seeking. Isn’t the whole point to start a dialogue about the issues? Why then would you belittle those who want to know more about the issues???

And by the way, saying they just want “equality” is like saying I want “world prace”; what is it that constitutes “equality” in the mind of one of these protesters? I bet you could ask 20 of them and get 20 different answers.

If they’re serious about this, they need get together and write up a unified message and/or a list of well thought out demands.

Just another way of saying you have no clue. Thanks for playing. I don't like or agree with what they are doing, but understand that they have the right to do it. It started out as a protest against police brutality towards blacks. (No anti American or anti flag comments were ever made) Trump takes the opportunity to call them SOBs and calls for their firings, but claims their are fine people among the Nazi flag waving people who ran over and killed a woman. I don't think I'm the one out of touch.

 

[sbdude]

Your original comment was implicit.



Who? Probably the 10s of thousands of football players from youth, high school, college and into the pros for decades. Just a guess.

I'm sure it's not the only way, but it has become the traditional posture on the football field observed by generations of players. If someone has a better way of doing it, I'm sure it will be tried and gain traction.

It's only implicit if you make the assumption that the only way to show respect is to kneel. So I think it is more of what you inferred from my statement rather than what I said.

Since I have a son currently playing college football, does that mean I'm only one generation removed from my playing days? And I don't remember anyone kneeling when I played and there was an injury. So if kneeling has been observed by GENERATIONS of players, my teams and all of the teams I played against somehow missed out on that memo.

Two weekends ago, I was at a college game watching my son's team play. There were 3 times during the game, time was stopped for an injury. Not a single player on either team took a knee. Offense went to their offensive huddle on the sidelines, defense went to their huddle on the sidelines, guys on the sidelines did what they normally do on the sidelines and stood around. I guess both those teams don't understand football etiquette either.

 

[Mitsurugi san]

Just another way of saying you have no clue. Thanks for playing. I don't like or agree with what they are doing, but understand that they have the right to do it. It started out as a protest against police brutality towards blacks. Trump takes the opportunity to call them SOBs and calls for their firings, but claims their are fine people among the Nazi flag waving people who ran over and killed a woman. I don't think I'm the one out of touch.

Just ANOTHER way of avoiding the question because you don’t actually know the answer...

At least the guy at Mizzou had a list of distinct demands; without a metric for tracking improvement, the NFL protesters might as well protest forever...

“Equality”, “World Peace”, “Police. Brutality”... all vague concepts without a stated definition that will never see any kind of “progress” until actually defined.

BTW: It’s always easy to argue the “popular” opinion simply by saying “well, your in the minority, so you must be wrong”; why don’t you try instead to back up what you say with rational points.

 

[vbsideout]

Just ANOTHER way of avoiding the question because you don’t actually know the answer...

At least the guy at Mizzou had a list of distinct demands; without a metric for tracking improvement, the NFL protesters might as well protest forever...

“Equality”, “World Peace”, “Police. Brutality”... all vague concepts without a stated definition that will never see any kind of “progress” until actually defined.

BTW: It’s always easy to argue the “popular” opinion simply by saying “well, your in the minority, so you must be wrong”; why don’t you try instead to back up what you say with rational points.

You might want to take your own advice! I answered your question. You must be another of those who graduated from Trump U.

 

[Duck_walk]

You might want to take your own advice! I answered your question. You must be another of those who graduated from Trump U.

Forget it VB. The sun is not a big ball of fire because you dont have a metric to prove it. Good lord. POC and poor people are treated by cops exactly the same as rich white dudes. It must be true because you dont have a metric.

 

[Eagles_Ball]

Forget it VB. The sun is not a big ball of fire because you dont have a metric to prove it. Good lord. POC and poor people are treated by cops exactly the same as rich white dudes. It must be true because you dont have a metric.

Is there a reason why people profile?

 

[Duck_walk]

Just ANOTHER way of avoiding the question because you don’t actually know the answer...

At least the guy at Mizzou had a list of distinct demands; without a metric for tracking improvement, the NFL protesters might as well protest forever...

“Equality”, “World Peace”, “Police. Brutality”... all vague concepts without a stated definition that will never see any kind of “progress” until actually defined.

BTW: It’s always easy to argue the “popular” opinion simply by saying “well, your in the minority, so you must be wrong”; why don’t you try instead to back up what you say with rational points.

This is the kind of sense you are making.

Check out @Deadspin’s Tweet:

 

[Duck_walk]

Is there a reason why people profile?

Laziness. Bias. Predatory.

 

[Eagles_Ball]

Laziness. Bias. Predatory.

Or stats?

 

[Mitsurugi san]

You might want to take your own advice! I answered your question.

Your answer was “police brutality”; that’s not helpful at all. Does ANYONE know what improvements to “police brutality” are needed before these guys stand again? Will they ever stand again regardless or what happens???

Did you ask me a question? I want to make sure I “take my own advice” when I answer.

Should I insert a “thanks for playing” or “mic drop”; isn’t that what you use to try to make your argument more valid you troll?

 

[vbsideout]

Your answer was “police brutality”; that’s not helpful at all. Does ANYONE know what improvements to “police brutality” are needed before these guys stand again? Will they ever stand again regardless or what happens???

Did you ask me a question? I want to make sure I “take my own advice” when I answer.

Should I insert a “thanks for playing” or “mic drop”; isn’t that what you use to try to make your argument more valid you troll?

I have always said over the years that I am a troll so thanks for the compliment. Sorry for hurting your feelings.

 

[STL_Dan]

It started out as a protest against police brutality towards blacks.

Are you referencing the Michael Brown incident?

 

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Are you referencing the Michael Brown incident?

Are you referencing the Michael Brown incident?

No I am talking about Kaepernack's fight against oppression. People should check to see what these SOBs are doing in their communities when it comes to donations and time spent. I just don't get all that hate that directed at them

 

[STL_Dan]

No I am talking about Kaepernack's fight against oppression. People should check to see what these SOBs are doing in their communities when it comes to donations and time spent. I just don't get all that hate that directed at them

Wait...people are marching because of police brutality against Kaepernick? LOL. j/k. Dude. Answer the first question, the we'll move on to Kaepernick.

refresher:
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You: "It started out as a protest against police brutality towards blacks."

Me: "Are you referencing the Michael Brown incident?"

 

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Wait...people are marching because of police brutality against Kaepernick? Dude. Answer the first question, the we'll move on to Kaepernick.

refresher:
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You: "It started out as a protest against police brutality towards blacks."

Me: "Are you referencing the Michael Brown incident?"

Let me make it easier for you No

 

[STL_Dan]

Let me make it easier for you No

Fair enough. What is the origin you would cite?

 

[Duck_walk]

...

 

[Duck_walk]

Your answer was “police brutality”; that’s not helpful at all. Does ANYONE know what improvements to “police brutality” are needed before these guys stand again? Will they ever stand again regardless or what happens???

Did you ask me a question? I want to make sure I “take my own advice” when I answer.

Should I insert a “thanks for playing” or “mic drop”; isn’t that what you use to try to make your argument more valid you troll?

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/09/25/opinion/colin-kaepernick-football-protests.html

 

[Mitsurugi san]

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/09/25/opinion/colin-kaepernick-football-protests.html

Regardless of who it offends, I will say that my religion comes before my country (last I checked, the same was true of the Marine Corps as well; “Unit, Core, God, Country!”); so I can appreciate Eric Reid seeking his guidance from the Bible regardless of whether it offends his countrymen (sidebar, I think it’s funny how people who usually criticize Bible-thumping praise it when it comes from someone on their side of the issue...)

I also appreciate Reid’s stated attempt to find something that would still be respectful of the flag; I just happen to think he missed the mark with the act of kneeling (clearly I’m not alone)...

Frankly, I appreciate the whole article because it’s at least an attempt at dialogue instead of the “taking sides” mentality that has dominated this conversation (and seemingly every conversation these days...)

But I still say: How can anyone ever hope to truly solve a problem that is so vaguely defined? Insisting on a solution for a vaguely defined problem is essentially an excuse to complain indefinitely.

 

[J. Kane]

Laziness. Bias. Predatory.

 

[STL_Dan]

Well written article.

If Kaepernick kneeling posture is out of respect for the flag, then I obviously don't see anything questionable about the act.

I do have questions about two things the author/teammate says:

I have too often seen our efforts belittled with statements like “He should have listened to the officer,” after watching an unarmed black person get shot, or “There is no such thing as white privilege” and “Racism ended years ago.” We know that racism and white privilege are both very much alive today.

Who is he specifically referencing here?

I refuse to be one of those people who watches injustices yet does nothing. I want to be a man my children and children’s children can be proud of, someone who faced adversity and tried to make a positive impact on the world, a person who, 50 years from now, is remembered for standing for what was right, even though it was not the popular or easy choice.

Which specific injustice(s) is he referencing?

 

[DOGFATHER1]

Written by Keely Sharp--


Those taking a knee in the NFL have every right to do so according to their right to freedom of speech and peaceful protest, covered in the 1st amendment. However, just because you have the right to do something doesn’t always mean you should do it.

People are not upset that players are protesting. People are upset that they are bringing politics into football for one, and that they are choosing to protest during the moment we take in honor of those veterans fighting and fallen for our freedom.

Now there is a boycott being shared via Facebook and word of mouth. November 12th just happens to be an NFL Sunday during Veteran’s Day weekend.

Here is the script being shared across Facebook:

“People are now calling for a complete National Boycott of the NFL for Sunday November 12th, which is Veteran’s Day Weekend. They are calling for a boycott of all football telecast, all fans, all ticket holders, stay away from attending any games, let them play to empty stadiums. Pass this post along to all your friends and family. Honor our military, some of whom come home with the American Flag draped over their coffin..There are plenty of ways, times and places to protest concerning one’s chosen cause, but to do so during a brief special time set aside to honor our nation’s flag and the bravery and lives of our nation’s military heroes, is inappropriate and disrespectful. Of course black lives matter, but so do the precious lives of millions of US soldiers (of all races) who have made the ultimate sacrifice to defend and protect our nation’s rights and freedoms….and who most certainly deserve all of our respect. It’s not about Trump, its about all those who bravely and unselfishly serve and who have served our nation. The Star Spangled Banner is presented to honor all of them.”


I sure as heck agree and will be boycotting. How about you? Share if you do. Spread the word.

 

[vbsideout]

Fair enough. What is the origin you would cite?

Regardless of who it offends, I will say that my religion comes before my country (last I checked, the same was true of the Marine Corps as well; “Unit, Core, God, Country!”); so I can appreciate Eric Reid seeking his guidance from the Bible regardless of whether it offends his countrymen (sidebar, I think it’s funny how people who usually criticize Bible-thumping praise it when it comes from someone on their side of the issue...)

I also appreciate Reid’s stated attempt to find something that would still be respectful of the flag; I just happen to think he missed the mark with the act of kneeling (clearly I’m not alone)...

Frankly, I appreciate the whole article because it’s at least an attempt at dialogue instead of the “taking sides” mentality that has dominated this conversation (and seemingly every conversation these days...)

But I still say: How can anyone ever hope to truly solve a problem that is so vaguely defined? Insisting on a solution for a vaguely defined problem is essentially an excuse to complain indefinitely.

Mitzi I have stated more than once I do not agree with what they are doing and I wish they would quit. My problem is with them being called SOBs and told they should be fired for exercising their 1st adm rights. That's not how America works.

 

[STL_Dan]

Mitzi I have stated more than once I do not agree with what they are doing and I wish they would quit. My problem is with them being called SOBs and told they should be fired for exercising their 1st adm rights. That's not how America works.

On this, I agree 100.