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This shows that your understanding of college recruiting is minimal. I don’t have a dog in this fight, but Lutheran norths coaches aren’t the reason those kids are getting recruited. Those kids are getting recruited just the same if the Walmart greeter got hired as the HC. They are bigger faster and stronger.

College coaches don’t just “find” kids. Yep ... you have to be bigger, faster, and stronger than most of the other kids, but you ALSO have to be seen. How do you get seen, you ask? By going to camps and combines and having your HC build relationships with college coaches.

If your HC doesn’t have the goal of getting your kids in front of college coaches, driving them to the camps, getting them to Adidas, UA, and Nike events, and knowing who/how to make sure your kids get ranked by 247 and Rivals ... then your kid just isn’t gonna get recruited.

Believe what you want to, but has it ever seemed odd to you that Lamar could be SO dominant for SO long and get VERY few kids offered scholarships? Do this ... go and look online. Go see how many Lamar kids even have game film up on HUDL or have profiles on 247, Rivals, or ESPN.

You wanna know WHY there isn’t much there? It’s NOT because their kids suck, or are too slow, small, or weak. It’s because Bailey doesn’t let his guys put highlights up on HUDL, doesn’t pack his boys on buses and drive them to college campuses for camps and Junior Day events, and doesn’t make sure he knows who the recruiters for every college team that scouts kids in his area are.

There are coaches that just don’t think it’s their job to get their kids into college on football scholarships. Before you presume your kids can’t do it, you might want to straight up ask your team’s coach about what he does/doesn’t do.
 
“Therein”.
Surely any Burroughs grad knows this?

Congratulations. John Burroughs is a great school. Gotta say that I’m surprised that you went there. Not because you can read, but because you love to cry about private schools. I remember when people complained about YOU winning in 2016.
 
College coaches don’t just “find” kids. Yep ... you have to be bigger, faster, and stronger than most of the other kids, but you ALSO have to be seen. How do you get seen, you ask? By going to camps and combines and having your HC build relationships with college coaches.

If your HC doesn’t have the goal of getting your kids in front of college coaches, driving them to the camps, getting them to Adidas, UA, and Nike events, and knowing who/how to make sure your kids get ranked by 247 and Rivals ... then your kid just isn’t gonna get recruited.

Believe what you want to, but has it ever seemed odd to you that Lamar could be SO dominant for SO long and get VERY few kids offered scholarships? Do this ... go and look online. Go see how many Lamar kids even have game film up on HUDL or have profiles on 247, Rivals, or ESPN.

You wanna know WHY there isn’t much there? It’s NOT because their kids suck, or are too slow, small, or weak. It’s because Bailey doesn’t let his guys put highlights up on HUDL, doesn’t pack his boys on buses and drive them to college campuses for camps and Junior Day events, and doesn’t make sure he knows who the recruiters for every college team that scouts kids in his area are.

There are coaches that just don’t think it’s their job to get their kids into college on football scholarships. Before you presume your kids can’t do it, you might want to straight up ask your team’s coach about what he does/doesn’t do.

Travion Ford had 20+ Division 1 offers before he even transferred to Lutheran North.
 
College coaches don’t just “find” kids. Yep ... you have to be bigger, faster, and stronger than most of the other kids, but you ALSO have to be seen. How do you get seen, you ask? By going to camps and combines and having your HC build relationships with college coaches.

If your HC doesn’t have the goal of getting your kids in front of college coaches, driving them to the camps, getting them to Adidas, UA, and Nike events, and knowing who/how to make sure your kids get ranked by 247 and Rivals ... then your kid just isn’t gonna get recruited.

Believe what you want to, but has it ever seemed odd to you that Lamar could be SO dominant for SO long and get VERY few kids offered scholarships? Do this ... go and look online. Go see how many Lamar kids even have game film up on HUDL or have profiles on 247, Rivals, or ESPN.

You wanna know WHY there isn’t much there? It’s NOT because their kids suck, or are too slow, small, or weak. It’s because Bailey doesn’t let his guys put highlights up on HUDL, doesn’t pack his boys on buses and drive them to college campuses for camps and Junior Day events, and doesn’t make sure he knows who the recruiters for every college team that scouts kids in his area are.

There are coaches that just don’t think it’s their job to get their kids into college on football scholarships. Before you presume your kids can’t do it, you might want to straight up ask your team’s coach about what he does/doesn’t do.

Toriano Pride had 10+ D1 scholarship offers before he transferred from Vianney to Lutheran North.
 
Nah, they're just products of Lutheran North's "development" program.

They actually did NOT have very many kids in the pipeline after their last senior class with major D1 scholarship offers. The "scholarshiphigh" motto was in trouble.

They recruited a couple of kids/families from other schools who were generating buzz. They were struggling academically at their previous high schools which would have hurt their eligibility to clear the NCAA Eligibility standards.

All you have to do is offer reduced tuition and promise the parents that "our teachers are great, we'll look out for your kid academically * wink".

Say it ain't so and I'll call you a liar to your face lol
 
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Sounds like you’ve seen the light a bit.

There are only a handful of teams/coaches doing things the wrong way. I don't like to think that ALL private schools are unconventionally recruiting kids based on athletic talent.

But a trusted source told me that one of LNs transfers asked his previous school to change his grades because he was a D1 kid and they should just be glad at all of the exposure that he is bringing to the school. The administration refused to give in to this parent's demands and the kid ended up at Lutheran North the next day.
 
There are only a handful of teams/coaches doing things the wrong way. I don't like to think that ALL private schools are unconventionally recruiting kids based on athletic talent.

But a trusted source told me that one of LNs transfers asked his previous school to change his grades because he was a D1 kid and they should just be glad at all of the exposure that he is bringing to the school. The administration refused to give in to this parent's demands and the kid ended up at Lutheran North the next day.


Lol this is garbage. Dont let that hate consume you. Not a single "transfer" is and was giving any school any level of exposure so cut it out. Also NO SCHOOL is changing any one students grades.

Just a bunch of hate and jealously coming from you, you sound like clown.
 
Believe what you want to, but has it ever seemed odd to you that Lamar could be SO dominant for SO long and get VERY few kids offered scholarships? Do this ... go and look online. Go see how many Lamar kids even have game film up on HUDL or have profiles on 247, Rivals, or ESPN.

You wanna know WHY there isn’t much there? It’s NOT because their kids suck, or are too slow, small, or weak. It’s because Bailey doesn’t let his guys put highlights up on HUDL, doesn’t pack his boys on buses and drive them to college campuses for camps and Junior Day events, and doesn’t make sure he knows who the recruiters for every college team that scouts kids in his area are.
I believe Lamar and Scott Bailey put a large emphasis on building character, meaningful relationships, and a sense of community in their kids. These traits help kids win beyond 4-8 years of their young adult lives.

If LN kids' "dreams" are to simply get a scholarship and play college then you've failed as a coach/mentor. Those "achievements" are meaningless unless you've actually inspired and taught them to do something to improve the lives of others around them with their education.
 
I believe Lamar and Scott Bailey put a large emphasis on building character, meaningful relationships, and a sense of community in their kids. These traits help kids win beyond 4-8 years of their young adult lives.

If LN kids' "dreams" are to simply get a scholarship and play college then you've failed as a coach/mentor. Those "achievements" are meaningless unless you've actually inspired and taught them to do something to improve the lives of others around them with their education.


Oh Brother does it ever stop with you people
 
We can discuss your Class 2 team’s ability to develop collegiate football players and secure scholarships for them the moment you identify which team you’re referring to.

There’s ONE Class 2 team that’s been dominant over the last decade ... and, unless your name is Lamar, it ain’t you. So, unless you’re Lamar, you haven’t won 7 consecutive State Championships and you DON’T get to talk shit about kicking anyone’s teeth in.

Lamar has had coaching that won them 7 consecutive State Championships. They just didn’t have coaching that was good enough to develop collegiate players or attract college coaches, to match it.

If your aren’t Lamar (or Blair Oaks, last year), then you haven’t had coaches that we’re good enough to do EITHER. Keep claiming Lamar’s glory and pretending their wins mean the same thing as your own, if you want to. Just know that some kids set their goals higher than peaking when they’re 17 yrs old.

"Develop"? Wow. There is some validity in an argument about what's more important, rings or scholarships, but don't kid yourself into thinking LN develops these kids. When a player transfers in for 1 or 2 years from a much larger school, their development has very little to do with what happens at LN. Good thing, as the record indicates. "Market" is a more correct term. Development happens at schools like Lamar and Webb and countless others that make the best out of what they have.
 
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Lol this is garbage. Dont let that hate consume you. Not a single "transfer" is and was giving any school any level of exposure so cut it out. Also NO SCHOOL is changing any one students grades.

Just a bunch of hate and jealously coming from you, you sound like clown.

This is exactly what the previous school apparently told one of their transfers. "You are not bringing exposure to this school....Noone is changing your son's grade". The kid's parents drove him straight to Lutheran North and applied to transfer.
 
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This is exactly what the previous school apparently told one of their transfers. "You are not bringing exposure to this school....Noone is changing your son's grade". The kid's parents drove him straight to Lutheran North and applied to transfer.

not a SINGLE Lutheran North transfer has gotten any exposure like that lol

The only one is Travion Ford and theirs articles for what really happened with that situation

but we can "apparently" "allegedly" "I hear" things to death all day and night. Thats an major crime against a school that you are throwing out just because you "heard" it. which player were you told this happened with??? Is it too top secret?????
 
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not a SINGLE Lutheran North transfer has gotten any exposure like that lol

The only one is Travion Ford and theirs articles for what really happened with that situation

but we can "apparently" "allegedly" "I hear" things to death all day and night. Thats an major crime against a school that you are throwing out just because you "heard" it. which player were you told this happened with??? Is it too top secret?????

What I was trying to do was respect the family and the kids name. But since you brought it up, that is why HIS FAMILY chose to pull him from his previous school Lutheran St. Charles. The Lutheran St. Charles administration chose not to change his grades or make additional exceptions because he was a Division 1 prospect. This angered his parents, thus leading to a spontaneous transfer in the middle of the school year. I understand that there were articles written surrounding his case, but none truly explained what made his parents so upset that they uprooted a kid in the middle of the school year.

The St. Charles Lutheran school chose not to expose this situation to the public and took the high road while being railroaded by media and families. It's unfortunate, but true. No need to argue with you about it. Believe what you'd like.
 
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For my part, I’ll admit to posting some things that were better left unsaid or, at least, stated with more tact.
Admit to being guilty as accused.
Clown-like? Subjective statement that additional clarification may help with. MoSports has long had a touch of goofiness and humor, but I think you mean something different.
Racist accusations? Not from you, but I’ve come to find that you’ve got some common sense. There are others here tossing that label around like Mardi Gras beads.
The jealousy accusation? Oh, I suppose that could come into play for a couple, but I’d like to believe most here want all those kids to take advantage of their opportunities and to be successful.
It comes down to one thing - LuthN amassing all those kids at a tiny school that can never be duplicated in but maybe two other class 2 programs (private ones in Metropolitan areas).
* Lutheran N should not be prevented from trying to be as good as they can be (provided players come to them and not vice versa...and I can see why kids would want to be there)
* I am glad LN provides an alternative for some of those kids who live in public school districts to have a better option.
* My experiences with LN, although many years ago, were great ones. Very hospitable, friendly. Kids played well, no nonsense, all business.

Consider, however,
1. Their situation, with the exception of Ritter, could not be replicated anywhere else in class 2. They play Grandview this week - a team who had to shut down their program due to lack of interest a couple of years ago. Notable football alum from Grandview include a kid who walked on the Culver Stockton in 1989 and quit in week 2.
* Our playoff system needs some serious evaluation. Grandview, nor Lutheran N, are getting anything out of this.

2. “People don’t complain about Valle, Borgia, etc.... “ Okay, granted, not as much, but they still do...or did when they were on top. Many years, it was apparent they had better talent, but you’d REALLY hear some carping if Valle or Borgia had 12 + D1 signees on one squad. Hint: THEY NEVER HAVE
*Now, you can’t place teams in classes based on talent; however, that class system was designed with the intent to keep the talent levels among each class somewhat even. That intent has been skewed immensely.

3. The claim that Lutheran North has developed all these kids into D1 prospects is the epitome of delusions of grandeur. I have no doubt they work them hard and make them better. I admire the attention they put into getting kids noticed.
Colleges recruit kids based on one thing only: raw, natural talent.
Period.
*Had a first team all state O-linemen one year. Solid. Great person, hard worker, played his tail off. He was having trouble with the science and math portion of the ACT. Got him tutors, he took it over and over again. His grades were good, but man, that ACT! Eventually, sent film of him to some jucos in Texas. They loved him, courted him, official visit. I went down with him (15 hour drive). First thing they did was measure him. 6’3”.
Oh, so sorry, we’re not offering to any offensive lineman under 6’4”.

We turned around and drove back. So silly, sad and frustrating.

Had another O-lineman. Kid could do it all. Huge, fast, could run. Met all the specs. Thing was, he was also soft and egocentric. Big U is in our office and gloating over this kid. I told the line coach, “I hate to tell you this, but in shooting you straight, you may consider looking elsewhere.” Big U Coach is flabbergasted and seemed offended. He asked, shocked, “What are you telling me this for?”
My answer: “Because one day, we’re going to have a player that’s legit and I want to be believed when I call you about him”.
Big U offered this kid anyway....and he quit on them within a week and a half.

These D1 programs are looking for a mold, that’s it, nothing more. Getting kids exposure these days is easy! Don’t even have to dub the dozens of video cassettes, box them, and mail them off, either. With hudl, it’s real hard for a D1 athlete to slip under the radar.

Let it be known I have no horse in the race. I’m retired from coaching, my son is no longer playing. I’m all for Lutheran N being as good as they can be. I admire them stepping up and taking on some bigger programs recently. They’re STILL totally out matching these teams in talent; in fact, they may be the most talented team in the state.

I guess it’s our system that really irks me and I don’t know how Lutheran N can actually feel good about beating anyone in class 2.

I’d put them in class 6 and think they may have a decent shot at it. They would probably win 4 and be right in the thick of things in class 5.

Exhaustive post over,
Leo Tolstoy
LOVE stories like this.

Just think - IF LN was upset in districts, there's a possibility they could play in Class 1 next year with the old multiplier out and the success multiplier in. Don't know what the success multiplier looks like of course, but we should know by Monday before first kickoff next year lol.
 
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What I was trying to do was respect the family and the kids name. But since you brought it up, that is why HIS FAMILY chose to pull him from his previous school Lutheran St. Charles. The Lutheran St. Charles administration chose not to change his grades or make additional exceptions because he was a Division 1 prospect. This angered his parents, thus leading to a spontaneous transfer in the middle of the school year. I understand that there were articles written surrounding his case, but none truly explained what made his parents so upset that they uprooted a kid in the middle of the school year.

The St. Charles Lutheran school chose not to expose this situation to the public and took the high road while being railroaded by media and families. It's unfortunate, but true. No need to argue with you about it. Believe what you'd like.

Doesnt sound like you werent trying to protect much of anything. and yes like the general public and MSHSAA I will choose to believe that the actual reason they child transferred schools is because the family moved, not that they asked the school to change his grades.

Sounds like you have some bias but thats ok. Nobody cares about the Private to Private crimes anyway.
 
Doesnt sound like you werent trying to protect much of anything. and yes like the general public and MSHSAA I will choose to believe that the actual reason they child transferred schools is because the family moved, not that they asked the school to change his grades.

Sounds like you have some bias but thats ok. Nobody cares about the Private to Private crimes anyway.

Outside of you and FBisLife12, this guys is the BIGGEST St. Louis private school supporter on here.

If HE is saying something's wrong, there just might be.
 
3 schools that we know of have been using kids who shouldn’t be playing. Cheating. Where there’s smoke, there’s fire.
Did you read the article ... the other two weren't blatant cheating to win one was a clerical error with grades and the other was a Jv kid who got in in the fourth quarter of a blowout win...
 
Ritter has been proven. Ritter is the only one that's been proven.

Innocent until proven guilty.
Lame. 3 kids show mid season to "shore up" the defense. Kid comes from other school because other school won't change grades. Can't count D1 kids with two hands. I'm not sure many of us even care about whether LN has broken a "rule". I sure the H don't. The point is that it's just hilarious they're playing class 2 schools. It's like the Seinfeld episode where Kramer is in Karate class with those 4th graders. We will play the games out and all move on, no big deal, but please stop playing checkers. We are trying to play chess in here.
 
Lame. 3 kids show mid season to "shore up" the defense. Kid comes from other school because other school won't change grades. Can't count D1 kids with two hands. I'm not sure many of us even care about whether LN has broken a "rule". I sure the H don't. The point is that it's just hilarious they're playing class 2 schools. It's like the Seinfeld episode where Kramer is in Karate class with those 4th graders. We will play the games out and all move on, no big deal, but please stop playing checkers. We are trying to play chess in here.
Take as many shot at St. Louis privates as you want but do not ever take a shot at checkers.... it is a game of strategy and class.
 
I dont really care to defend private schools. Just more so St. Louis schools. Plus how boring would this Forum be if nobody was on the other side lol

The only issue anyone seems to have with St. Louis area schools are three tiny private schools.

Must be hard doing all the mental gymnastics necessary to consistently be on the wrong side of a simple argument. Lol, kidding...kind of.
 
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Did you read the article ... the other two weren't blatant cheating to win one was a clerical error with grades and the other was a Jv kid who got in in the fourth quarter of a blowout win...

This is a trend. I’m not really caring about the details on a ending result trend of a area. Sure it’s different in some small areas. I realize that. But I don’t care at this point. Just hoping things are being more closely watched
 
The only issue anyone seems to have with St. Louis area schools are three tiny private schools.

Must be hard doing all the mental gymnastics necessary to consistently be on the wrong side of a simple argument. Lol, kidding...kind of.

as far as I can tell neither Lutheran North or Trinity have ever broken any MSHSAA rules so I reject your "wrong side of the argument" statement. All of the Transfers that decided Lutheran North was the best place to be sat out until they were eligible.

Its nothing illegal nor anthing wrong about transferring schools. Very Soon LN and Trinity will be whopping up on the Class 4 and 5 Schools and the complaining will cease.

Its very easy to be in the right and win when you're arguing against 40-70 year old Grown men who are letting their emotions get the best of them on an internet forum. This is a piece of cake.
 
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The only issue anyone seems to have with St. Louis area schools are three tiny private schools.

Must be hard doing all the mental gymnastics necessary to consistently be on the wrong side of a simple argument. Lol, kidding...kind of.

Crazy coming from you when YOU SEEN JN last week actually photo shop recruiting rankings to make an argument lol

They are consumed by hating these schools lol
 
Outside of you and FBisLife12, this guys is the BIGGEST St. Louis private school supporter on here.

If HE is saying something's wrong, there just might be.

Would you please tell him! Lol

I have no reason to make something up. Check my previous posts. While I may share opinions from time to time, when I state that I have "heard something from my sources" has anyone here been able to prove me wrong? Nope
 
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Would you please tell him! Lol

I have no reason to make something up. Check my previous posts. While I may share opinions from time to time, when I state that I have "heard something from my sources" has anyone here been able to prove me wrong? Nope

I dont like insinuating that Lutheran North is changing his grades etc its that simple. these weirdo obsessed people already think the worst about anything involving STL. They think its a Grand Theft Auto video game. So please dont give these clowns any speculative ammo.
 
I dont like insinuating that Lutheran North is changing his grades etc its that simple. these weirdo obsessed people already think the worst about anything involving STL. They think its a Grand Theft Auto video game. So please dont give these clowns any speculative ammo.

Where there’s smoke, there’s fire. Maybe that’s not true. Like at all. Of course. But there’s a lot of things being overlooked. It’s why CR so arrogantly thought someone with tattoos wouldn’t be recognized wearing another jersey. You don’t really have ground to stand on. If you hate our tones with STL schools? The post dispatch has a chat forum. I don’t understand why this is hard.
 
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