Looks like Trinity will be a class 3 problem this year.
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Might be an easier road tbh.
No Cardinal Ritter, Lutheran North, Caruthersville, Malden, Lamar, or Ava to go through.
Class 2 has been pretty salty.
Ritter will be class 3 this year as well
There will be at least 6-7 teams better in Class 3 than Tirinity.
Will there?
I see Maryville, Blair Oaks, and MAYBE Park Hills Central as their only real challengers.
Last year: Maryville, Chillocothe, Mt. Vernon, Blair Oaks, Center (KC), and Reed Springs were all rated higher than Trinity. So five teams. Okay.
I'm not interested in last year. I know for a fact what Trinity has coming back, and short of another team filled with super athletes (Lutheran North) or a TEAM that is well coached, buys in, and has hit the weights (Lamar, Maryville, Blair Oaks, Park Hills) I'm not ready to say there are a "bunch" of teams who will beat Trinity in Class 3.
Class 2 has more depth in good teams than Class 3 does.
Could maybe buy in if you said the top team in Class 2 can be better than the top team in Class 3. Lamar has shown that in the past (not sure about this year but we will see)
But MORE DEPTH? MORE GOOD TEAMS? Dont see that at all. Depth wise.. top to bottom Class 3 has been and will be better.
But MORE DEPTH? MORE GOOD TEAMS? Dont see that at all. Depth wise.. top to bottom Class 3 has been and will be better.
Lamar
Lutheran North
Trinity
Lafayette County
Ava
Caruthersville
Malden
Lexington
Macon
Mountain View-Liberty
Mountain Grove
Palmyra
Cardinal Ritter
South Callaway
North Callaway
That's a top 15 in Class 2 (last year), that doesn't include just pretty good teams who are a handful, those 15 could and would do damage in the Class 3 playoffs.
Top 10 from Class 2 and Class 3 combined. More depth in Class 3...stronger field overall. But Class 2 compares well.
Lamar Class 2 44.2
Maryville Class 3 41.1
Lutheran North Class 2 37.2
Chillocothe Class 3 29.3
Mt. Vernon Class 3 28.4
Lafayette County Class 2 26.7
Blair Oaks Class 3 26.4
Center (Kc) Class 3 25.5
Reed Springs Class 3 24.3
Trinity Class 2 24
Ava Class 2 24
Eldon Class 3 23.7
Seneca Class 3 21
Caruthersville Class 2 19.4
Clark County Class 2 17.7
Lutheran South Class 3 17.4
Central Park Hills Class 3 17.2
Palmyra Class 2 14.5
Malden Class 2 14.3
Lathrop Class 2 14.2
Lamar Class 2 44.2
Maryville Class 3 41.1
Lutheran North Class 2 37.2
Chillocothe Class 3 29.3
Mt. Vernon Class 3 28.4
Lafayette County Class 2 26.7
Blair Oaks Class 3 26.4
Center (Kc) Class 3 25.5
Reed Springs Class 3 24.3
Trinity Class 2 24
Ava Class 2 24
Eldon Class 3 23.7
Seneca Class 3 21
Caruthersville Class 2 19.4
Clark County Class 2 17.7
Lutheran South Class 3 17.4
Central Park Hills Class 3 17.2
Palmyra Class 2 14.5
Malden Class 2 14.3
Lathrop Class 2 14.2
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Not according to the ratings..see above. Class 3 deeper and overall, better. The depth of Class 2 drops at about 7 teams...after that, the 11th to 16th best teams in class 3 are better than the #8 in class 2.
I only count nine from Class 3...
Also if you actually are trying to gauge depth, you really need to compare the entirety of both Classes.
Blair Oaks was missing...So a top 10 between the two sizes...Class 3 has 6 teams in the top 10.
Ok and? My point remains, to adequately gauge depth, you have to rank the entirety of both Classes.
My entire point was and is, that top to bottom, Class 2 has more depth. Ranking the top 10 doesn't show anything, good Class 3 teams SHOULD be better than good Class 2 teams, how do the #11-64 stack up?
Okay, here are all the teams in order. Power ranking on the right. 14 of the bottom20 are from Class 2.
Rank School Division Rating
1 Lamar (MO) 2 44.2
1 Maryville (MO) 3 41.4
2 Lutheran North (St. Louis, MO) 2 37.2
2 Chillicothe (MO) 3 29.3
3 Mt. Vernon (MO) 3 28.4
3 Lafayette County (Higginsville, MO) 2 26.7
4 Blair Oaks (Jefferson City, MO) 3 26.4
5 Center (Kansas City, MO) 3 25.5
6 Reeds Spring (MO) 3 24.3
4 Trinity Catholic (St. Louis, MO) 2 24
5 Ava (MO) 2 24
7 Eldon (MO) 3 23.7
8 Seneca (MO) 3 21
6 Caruthersville (MO) . . . 2 19.4
7 Clark County (Kahoka, MO) . . . 2 17.7
9 Lutheran South (St. Louis, MO) . . . 3 17.4
10 Central (Park Hills, MO) . . . 3 17.2
11 McCluer South-Berkeley (Ferguson, MO) . . . 3 16.4
12 Cassville (MO) . . . 3 16
8 Palmyra (MO) . . . 2 14.5
9 Malden (MO) . . . 2 14.3
10 Lathrop (MO) . . . 2 14.2
13 Springfield Catholic (Springfield, MO) . . . 3 14.1
14 Aurora (MO) . . . 3 14
11 North Callaway (Kingdom City, MO) . . . 2 13.4
15 Pleasant Hill (MO) . . . 3 12.7
16 Odessa (MO) . . . 3 11.7
17 Owensville (MO) . . . 3 10.6
12 Cardinal Ritter (St. Louis, MO) . . . 2 10.3
13 Macon (MO) . . . 2 10.1
18 Mexico (MO) . . . 3 9.9
19 St. Pius X (Kansas City, MO) . . . 3 8.7
14 Lexington (MO) . . . 2 8.6
20 Southern Boone (Ashland, MO) . . . 3 8.4
15 South Callaway (Mokane, MO) . . . 2 7.2
21 St. James (MO) . . . 3 6.6
22 Osage (Kaiser, MO) . . . 3 6.4
23 Hogan Prep Charter (Kansas City, MO) . . . 3 6.2
24 Salem (MO) . . . 3 5.6
16 Mountain Grove (MO) . . . 2 5.1
17 Fair Grove (MO) . . . 2 5
18 Lawson (MO) . . . 2 4.8
25 St. Charles West (St. Charles, MO) . . . 3 4.2
19 Liberty (Mountain View, MO) . . . 2 3.5
20 Centralia (MO) . . . 2 3.3
26 Miller Career Academy [Clyde C.] (St. Louis, MO) . . . 3 2.1
27 Orchard Farm (St. Charles, MO) . . . 3 1.4
21 Hallsville (MO) . . . 2 0.2
28 Pembroke Hill (Kansas City, MO) . . . 3 0
29 Kennett (MO) . . . 3 -0.2
30 Monett (MO) . . . 3 -0.5
31 Ste. Genevieve (MO) . . . 3 -0.8
22 Strafford (MO) . . . 2 -1.3
32 Boonville (MO) . . . 3 -2.1
23 Father Tolton [Augustine] (Columbia, MO) . . . 2 -2.7
33 Richmond (MO) . . . 3 -3.4
24 Warsaw (MO) . . . 2 -4
34 Dexter (MO) . . . 3 -5
35 Logan-Rogersville (Rogersville, MO) . . . 3 -5.1
36 Wright City (MO) . . . 3 -6.2
37 Fulton (MO) . . . 3 -6.9
25 Charleston (MO) . . . 2 -7.4
38 Soldan International Studies (St. Louis, MO) . . . 3 -7.4
39 Clinton (MO) . . . 3 -8.1
26 Holden (MO) . . . 2 -8.4
40 Oak Grove (MO) . . . 3 -8.4
27 Carnahan [Mel] (St. Louis, MO) . . . 2 -8.5
41 Lutheran (St. Peters, MO) . . . 3 -8.8
28 Brookfield (MO) . . . 2 -9.6
29 Bishop LeBlond (St. Joseph, MO) . . . 2 -9.8
30 Trenton (MO) . . . 2 -10.2
42 Duchesne (St. Charles, MO) . . . 3 -11.3
31 East Prairie (MO) . . . 2 -11.6
43 Living Word Christian (O'Fallon, MO) . . . 3 -12.1
44 Confluence Prep Academy (St. Louis, MO) . . . 3 -12.3
32 Versailles (MO) . . . 2 -13.3
45 Potosi (MO) . . . 3 -14
33 El Dorado Springs (MO) . . . 2 -14.5
34 Jefferson (Festus, MO) . . . 2 -14.6
35 California (MO) . . . 2 -14.7
36 University Academy Charter (Kansas City, MO) . . . 2 -14.8
46 Winfield (MO) . . . 3 -15
37 Bowling Green (MO) . . . 2 -15.3
38 Hermann (MO) . . . 2 -15.3
39 Montgomery County (Montgomery City, MO) . . . 2 -15.8
40 Houston (MO) . . . 2 -16.3
41 Carrollton (MO) . . . 2 -16.3
47 Buffalo (MO) . . . 3 -16.5
48 Cameron (MO) . . . 3 -17
49 Sullivan (MO) . . . 3 -17.3
42 Brentwood (MO) . . . 2 -17.6
50 Vashon (St. Louis, MO) . . . 3 -17.6
43 Summit Christian Academy (Lee's Summit, MO) . . . 2 -17.7
51 Burroughs [John] (St. Louis, MO) . . . 3 -19.1
44 Cuba (MO) . . . 2 -19.2
52 Central (Kansas City, MO) . . . 3 -19.6
53 Normandy (St. Louis, MO) . . . 3 -19.7
45 Knob Noster (MO) . . . 2 -19.9
54 New Madrid County Central (New Madrid, MO) . . . 3 -20
55 Hollister (MO) . . . 3 -22
56 Jennings (MO) . . . 3 -22.7
57 Lincoln College Prep (Kansas City, MO) . . . 3 -23.5
46 Van-Far/Community (Vandalia, MO) . . . 2 -23.6
58 African Centered (Kansas City, MO) . . . 3 -24.4
47 Stockton (MO) . . . 2 -25.4
48 Cole Camp (MO) . . . 2 -25.4
59 Lift for Life Academy (St. Louis, MO) . . . 3 -27
60 East Newton (Granby, MO) . . . 3 -27.3
61 Roosevelt (St. Louis, MO) . . . 3 -27.7
49 Highland (Ewing, MO) . . . 2 -27.9
50 St. Pius X (Festus, MO) . . . 2 -28.4
51 Willow Springs (MO) . . . 2 -28.6
62 Fredericktown (MO) . . . 3 -30.1
52 Clopton/Elsberry (Clarksville, MO) . . . 2 -33.9
53 Kelly [Thomas W.] (Benton, MO) . . . 2 -34.4
54 Principia (St. Louis, MO) . . . 2 -34.6
55 Cleveland NJROTC (St. Louis, MO) . . . 2 -36.4
56 Butler (MO) . . . 2 -38.2
57 Diamond (MO) . . . 2 -41.8
58 Herculaneum (MO) . . . 2 -44.7
59 St. Paul Lutheran (Concordia, MO) . . . 2 -45.3
60 Sherwood (Creighton, MO) . . . 2 -54.1
63 Missouri Military Academy (Mexico, MO) . . . 3 -54.6
Guys opinion versus solid objective numbers with a proven methodology and record. Yeah, I'm going with Maxpreps. That being said, the top of Class 2 is comparable to the top of Class 3. No doubt.
Maxpreps isn't reliable enough to get schedules right.
It had (and might still have) Farmington playing Tulsa Union instead of Union, Missouri.
Sorry if I don't put absolute faith in their methodology.
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Oh please...its way better than anything else out there...and comes in at about 93-94% predictions every year. If they miss some niggling details of a couple of games with schedule changes...so what? There is NO argument you could make with even a half baked methodology that would contradict what it spit out about Class 3 and Class 2.
So with a full year's worth of data it is pretty damn accurate. Please show me your evidence that Class 2 is as deep as Class 3. I'd love to see it.
Let's put something to bed right now, Trinity won't win Class 3 if they end up there.
Class 3 is deeper than Class 2. Outside of Blair Oaks, who has moved back and forth and done much of anything recently?
Class 3 is deeper than Class 2. Outside of Blair Oaks, who has moved back and forth and done much of anything recently?
Count me in the column of those who think Trinity wins Class 3 this season if they are in it; all those horses are seniors this year 
Count me in the column of those who think Trinity wins Class 3 this season if they are in it; all those horses are seniors this year
You can have the strongest fastest horses, but if they can't come together and work as a team they wont be pulling to many wagons into first.
All I know is that this group of seniors had the lead in the fourth quarter against Lamar when they were just sophomores!
Their only loss as Juniors was to the team that Lamar only beat 7-0.
They’d have to shoot themselves in both feet, multiple times, in multiple games (which is still very possible) to NOT compete in Class 3
Their only loss as Juniors was to the team that Lamar only beat 7-0.
They’d have to shoot themselves in both feet, multiple times, in multiple games (which is still very possible) to NOT compete in Class 3
All I know is that this group of seniors had the lead in the fourth quarter against Lamar when they were just sophomores!
Their only loss as Juniors was to the team that Lamar only beat 7-0.
They’d have to shoot themselves in both feet, multiple times, in multiple games (which is still very possible) to NOT compete in Class 3
I want to see Trinity and Lutheran North win class 2 and 3 just to see this board shit their pants
For a team that really hasnt done much, some folks sure spend a lot of time talking about them.
All I know is that this group of seniors had the lead in the fourth quarter against Lamar when they were just sophomores!
Their only loss as Juniors was to the team that Lamar only beat 7-0.
They’d have to shoot themselves in both feet, multiple times, in multiple games (which is still very possible) to NOT compete in Class 3
I agree. It's not like an underclassmen dominated team hasn't ever improved as their underclassmen become seniors. I realize the coaching is laughable but that is a bunch of talent that is maturing.
27-6 over the last three years.
District champion, state runners-up.
Teams who ended their season were 7-4, undefeated state champs, 12-1 state semi-finalists, respectively.
What's the bar for "done much"? And can only 7 consecutive state titles reach it? Lamar's been around since 1905, Trinity since 2003. That's a helluva head start.
Cheers to Webb, Valle, Lamar and all the other folks that raise a banner almost every year. But teams don't suck just because only one state champ is crowned in each class.
LN has been Top 10 in Class 2 four of the past five years with five straight winning seasons. I think some people on this board never coached, or even played sports. But this right here is a good program and damn good results. A 75% winning percentage? Stamp it!
#2 2017 12-1
#10 2016 9-3
#8 2015 8-5
#6 2014 11-2
#11 2013 9-5
I don't know alot about LN talent overall, stories are they had some transfers that bolstered their roster tremendously over the years and they had some D-1 talent. Trinity currently has more legit D-1 talent on their roster than probable 80% of the schools who are in Class 5 & 6 schools. They can recruit talent from a population base of upwards of over 500,000 people.
Even with all those tremendous advantages neither school has hosted or been able to beat Lamar a little old town out in the middle of nowhere, who has lost two major factories in the last several years who provide many with jobs there. A town that has not had a new home built within the city limits in over a decade.
So really all that being said do you really want to say LN has had Damn good results, with all those advantages I would say anything short of a state title in the second smallest class is a failure for those two schools who has none of the disadvantages of a rural school.
This one of the dumbest reasons I have seen in an attempt to tear down a HS program. We are talking about a HS program. Lamar has been beating everyone in class 2 and in most of their years were even better than an any class 3 school. What they have done was built over time and in imbedded in the whole town. Almost every boys in Lamar plays football from elem. school. Lamar didn't just pop up one day. Do not down play what Lamar has accomplished so you can down grade what another school has done
