Looks like Trinity will be a class 3 problem this year.

[bullitpdq68]

This one of the dumbest reasons I have seen in an attempt to tear down a HS program. We are talking about a HS program. Lamar has been beating everyone in class 2 and in most of their years were even better than an any class 3 school. What they have done was built over time and in imbedded in the whole town. Almost every boys in Lamar plays football from elem. school. Lamar didn't just pop up one day. Do not down play what Lamar has accomplished so you can down grade what another school has done

Actually I think I was praising what Lamar has done, they have done more in a very rural setting than any school I know and their success continues against some tall odds. I admire what they have done more than what LN or Trinity has done. That was my point, might try to read it again.

 

[JNreturns]

I don't know alot about LN talent overall, stories are they had some transfers that bolstered their roster tremendously over the years and they had some D-1 talent. Trinity currently has more legit D-1 talent on their roster than probable 80% of the schools who are in Class 5 & 6 schools. They can recruit talent from a population base of upwards of over 500,000 people.

Even with all those tremendous advantages neither school has hosted or been able to beat Lamar a little old town out in the middle of nowhere, who has lost two major factories in the last several years who provide many with jobs there. A town that has not had a new home built within the city limits in over a decade.

So really all that being said do you really want to say LN has had Damn good results, with all those advantages I would say anything short of a state title in the second smallest class is a failure for those two schools who has none of the disadvantages of a rural school.

1) Looks like their "D-1" players are overrated.

Actually I think I was praising what Lamar has done, they have done more in a very rural setting than any school I know and their success continues against some tall odds. I admire what they have done more than what LN or Trinity has done. That was my point, might try to read it again.

I'd put Maryville in with Lamar as far as achieving the most with the least. Maryville is the only multiple state winner that is in the bottom quartile for size in their classification.

 

[bullitpdq68]

1) Looks like their "D-1" players are overrated.


I'd put Maryville in with Lamar as far as achieving the most with the least. Maryville is the only multiple state winner that is in the bottom quartile for size in their classification.

Yes they too have been impressive. Would have been interesting if this two had been in the same class the whole time.

 

[USArmyMike]

I don't see how the "they can't beat lil' ole from nothing, nowhere Lamar" as a positive at all. You do realize these program do not have youth programs where kids can play together in the same system from 8 years old right. Who else has even given Lamar a game? 3 teams have played Lamar with 8 points in the last 3 year. LN and Trinity are 2 of them.

 

[bullitpdq68]

I don't see how the "they can't beat lil' ole from nothing, nowhere Lamar" as a positive at all. You do realize these program do not have youth programs where kids can play together in the same system from 8 years old right. Who else has even given Lamar a game? 3 teams have played Lamar with 8 points in the last 3 year. LN and Trinity are 2 of them.

And you would be wrong most of Trinity players were on the same youth team together for years and were recruited to Trinity by their youth coach, who became the head football coach. He is quoted as saying that in the newspaper, that all those kids played for him in youth football so they were going to play for him no matter where he went. So.....

Yes with X amount of D-1 players you should not only be giving Lamar a game, but winning.

 

[JNreturns]

And you would be wrong most of Trinity players were on the same youth team together for years and were recruited to Trinity by their youth coach, who became the head football coach. He is quoted as saying that in the newspaper, that all those kids played for him in youth football so they were going to play for him no matter where he went. So.....

Yes with X amount of D-1 players you should not only be giving Lamar a game, but winning.

If they aren't OVER-rated players.

 

[bhunt95]

If they aren't OVER-rated players.

College recruiting talent and high school talent two different things.

High school talent is real time as in present.

Recruiting talent is future as in what they think a kid will turn into.

 

[MarcAsai]

So, all of Trinity's efforts are irrelevant because their then-sophomore QB threw 5 INTs in the state title game one time?

7 straight state titles must not be as fulfilling as it sounds. Cannot speak from experience, it seems that satisfaction would settle every ounce of ego that could exist in a person.

 

[USArmyMike]

I don't see how the "they can't beat lil' ole from nothing, nowhere Lamar" as a positive at all. You do realize these program do not have youth programs where kids can play together in the same system from 8 years old right. Who else has even given Lamar a game? 3 teams have played Lamar with 8 points in the last 3 year. LN and Trinity are 2 of them.

And you would be wrong most of Trinity players were on the same youth team together for years and were recruited to Trinity by their youth coach, who became the head football coach. He is quoted as saying that in the newspaper, that all those kids played for him in youth football so they were going to play for him no matter where he went. So.....

Yes with X amount of D-1 players you should not only be giving Lamar a game, but winning.

Yes some did play with that coach and others knew of him from playing in that league. Nice spin though on how they all played together. Like how you think a team of loaded sophomores should beat a program that is 85 kids deep.

 

[bhunt95]

Any truth to the rumors that Cardinal Ritter stepped up its recruiting game?

They in the past have been a well coached team. Could be a sleeper to win class 3.

 

[bullitpdq68]

Yes some did play with that coach and others knew of him from playing in that league. Nice spin though on how they all played together. Like how you think a team of loaded sophomores should beat a program that is 85 kids deep.

Spinning whatever, those kids probable played together more than most local kids. I remember talking to a local head coach once (who by the way has won multiple state titles) and he said he would guess less than 50% of his players played together during youth. You are putting way to much stock into the youth program and its effect on the high school program and winning.

 

[bullitpdq68]

If they aren't OVER-rated players.

Today in college it's about measurable's.

 

[USArmyMike]

Spinning whatever, those kids probable played together more than most local kids. I remember talking to a local head coach once (who by the way has won multiple state titles) and he said he would guess less than 50% of his players played together during youth. You are putting way to much stock into the youth program and its effect on the high school program and winning.

Yeah must be why Webb City, Lamar, Blair Oaks, Kearney, and Blue Springs all have solid youth programs. You seem to be making up stories.

 

[bullitpdq68]

Yeah must be why Webb City, Lamar, Blair Oaks, Kearney, and Blue Springs all have solid youth programs. You seem to be making up stories.

Call those coaches up and ask them if you want, they would probable tell you If the program is run right it doesn't hurt your high school program by no means, and when I say run right that means playing all kids and teaching basic fundamentals and helping them all learn to love the game of football. But they would also tell you if you run a kid off in youth with a bad experience they will never get them out in high school which can hurt the high school program. So you get a meathead running the program, somebody in there that wants to play a bunch of games with a win first mentality and hosting Superbowl trophy's in youth and running off who they think should not be playing is important you are kidding yourself.

 

[Rufus R. Jones]

Today in college it's about measurable's.

And yesterday. And tomorrow.

 

[USArmyMike]

Yeah must be why Webb City, Lamar, Blair Oaks, Kearney, and Blue Springs all have solid youth programs. You seem to be making up stories.

Call those coaches up and ask them if you want, they would probable tell you If the program is run right it doesn't hurt your high school program by no means, and when I say run right that means playing all kids and teaching basic fundamentals and helping them all learn to love the game of football. But they would also tell you if you run a kid off in youth with a bad experience they will never get them out in high school which can hurt the high school program. So you get a meathead running the program, somebody in there that wants to play a bunch of games with a win first mentality and hosting Superbowl trophy's in youth and running off who they think should not be playing is important you are kidding yourself.

Don’t assume I haven’t talked to anyone. In fact your whole tell me that you are assuming and don’t know jack about me. 1) I run a youth program that is 3rd through 6th grade. Our league don’t have a playoff or Super Bowl. 2) since I took over the program we went from averaging 85 kids to this year we have 109. Why do you think that is? Because I preach having fun. This year we are even implementing that every kid gets to start at least one game. I’ll even give you an example. This year our 5th grade will have 33 kids which started with 16 kids in 3rd grade. 15 of the 16 came back out in 4th grade and 11 more joined. The one kid moved away. All 26 have returned and 7 new kids have joined.

If you think you know something I don’t, I promise you that is wrong.

Now I am going to end with this. If you don’t think a strong youth program is important then your wrong. All these HS programs that are winning state championships have one thing in common. They all have very strong youth programs. While some of private schools don’t( even thought a lot of them even do) they get kids from youth programs.

 

[Mitsurugi san]

If you think you know something I don’t, I promise you that is wrong.

This sentence tells me all Ineed to know, thanks!

 

[bullitpdq68]

Don’t assume I haven’t talked to anyone. In fact your whole tell me that you are assuming and don’t know jack about me. 1) I run a youth program that is 3rd through 6th grade. Our league don’t have a playoff or Super Bowl. 2) since I took over the program we went from averaging 85 kids to this year we have 109. Why do you think that is? Because I preach having fun. This year we are even implementing that every kid gets to start at least one game. I’ll even give you an example. This year our 5th grade will have 33 kids which started with 16 kids in 3rd grade. 15 of the 16 came back out in 4th grade and 11 more joined. The one kid moved away. All 26 have returned and 7 new kids have joined.

If you think you know something I don’t, I promise you that is wrong.

Now I am going to end with this. If you don’t think a strong youth program is important then your wrong. All these HS programs that are winning state championships have one thing in common. They all have very strong youth programs. While some of private schools don’t( even thought a lot of them even do) they get kids from youth programs.

I too have ran a youth football program for over 14 years. Heck we won a state title and advance to the final 4 several times with kids that went thru the program while I was in charge. But I don't think anything we did in particular helped them, they were just talented and had determination. Sure in youth you could tell those kids had talent and they won some games, But I would say less than 50% of them who went thru the youth program were still playing by the time they were seniors. The class that just graduated had over 40 kids at one point in the youth program, one of the biggest groups to come thru the youth program, however as seniors they won just 3 games, we did nothing different with them in youth than we did with the classes before them that won state, so how can that be?

I wish you good luck. And all that being said I would rather have a youth program than not. But we just disagree to what degree it helps the high school program every year.

 

[JNreturns]

Don’t assume I haven’t talked to anyone. In fact your whole tell me that you are assuming and don’t know jack about me. 1) I run a youth program that is 3rd through 6th grade. Our league don’t have a playoff or Super Bowl. 2) since I took over the program we went from averaging 85 kids to this year we have 109. Why do you think that is? Because I preach having fun. This year we are even implementing that every kid gets to start at least one game. I’ll even give you an example. This year our 5th grade will have 33 kids which started with 16 kids in 3rd grade. 15 of the 16 came back out in 4th grade and 11 more joined. The one kid moved away. All 26 have returned and 7 new kids have joined.

If you think you know something I don’t, I promise you that is wrong.

Now I am going to end with this. If you don’t think a strong youth program is important then your wrong. All these HS programs that are winning state championships have one thing in common. They all have very strong youth programs. While some of private schools don’t( even thought a lot of them even do) they get kids from youth programs.

Funny, the KC area teams that win state championships all have strong youth leagues. It builds interest, and it strengthens programs. Especially when your youth are trainined on the same schemes the high school uses from K-7.

Blue Springs/ Blue Springs South - strong youth football programs. KCYFL, Pop Warner...their own city league.
Staley - NSYFL
Kearney - Kearney Youth football
Fort Osage. - Pop Warner Skylar Thompson took Fort O Pop Warner to the National Championship game in Pop Warner.

Of course it makes a difference. You'd have to be ignorant to believe it doesn't.

 

[blackandgoldrocks]

I heard from one of the Big 8 coached that Lamars coach Bailey was calling all teams and letting them know they didn't have enough kids to go out for freshman football so they are not having a freshman team and any freshman would be playing JV. Not sure if it is true but just was checking if anyone else had heard that.

 

[Cards1968]

I heard from one of the Big 8 coached that Lamars coach Bailey was calling all teams and letting them know they didn't have enough kids to go out for freshman football so they are not having a freshman team and any freshman would be playing JV. Not sure if it is true but just was checking if anyone else had heard that.

 

[Sleepless_in_Jefferson_County]

I heard from one of the Big 8 coached that Lamars coach Bailey was calling all teams and letting them know they didn't have enough kids to go out for freshman football so they are not having a freshman team and any freshman would be playing JV. Not sure if it is true but just was checking if anyone else had heard that.

 

[NorthWestBleachers]

I heard from one of the Big 8 coached that Lamars coach Bailey was calling all teams and letting them know they didn't have enough kids to go out for freshman football so they are not having a freshman team and any freshman would be playing JV. Not sure if it is true but just was checking if anyone else had heard that.

I don't know that this is fake news. Rural schools where the district isn't growing can simply have smaller classes. One class might have 100 kids and the next only 70.
At the same time? I wouldn't count on it signaling any kind of decline in interest. So, maybe this class has 8 boys on the team instead of 16. They may be an extremely talented 8! Lamar has earned the luxury of playing underclassmen in the second half of most of their Varsity games for several years. Maybe I could be convinced that they'll need those extra kids this class doesn't have??? I think it's just different in smaller schools.

 

[JNreturns]

I don't know that this is fake news. Rural schools where the district isn't growing can simply have smaller classes. One class might have 100 kids and the next only 70.
At the same time? I wouldn't count on it signaling any kind of decline in interest. So, maybe this class has 8 boys on the team instead of 16. They may be an extremely talented 8! Lamar has earned the luxury of playing underclassmen in the second half of most of their Varsity games for several years. Maybe I could be convinced that they'll need those extra kids this class doesn't have??? I think it's just different in smaller schools.

 

[cr7707]

I will go out on a limb and say that not many C2 schools have freshman only teams. Not a whole lot of c3 schools for that matter, less than you would think. So what ends up happening is your freshman play JV or C games anyway because there is no one for them to play against.

You can get by with a class of 8 in C2, just can't follow it up with a class of 6.

 

[NorthWestBleachers]

I will go out on a limb and say that not many C2 schools have freshman only teams. Not a whole lot of c3 schools for that matter, less than you would think. So what ends up happening is your freshman play JV or C games anyway because there is no one for them to play against.

You can get by with a class of 8 in C2, just can't follow it up with a class of 6.

Good point.
It would definitely be a problem with consecutive years of low turn out.

 

[bullitpdq68]

Football has been under attack for several years now, even successful programs are starting to see a decline in numbers and more parents decide they don't want their child to play the game.
I remember back in the mid 2000 we had over 120 kids out in youth, now we barely get 80 and you talk to other programs it is the same numbers are declining.

 

[Sleepless_in_Jefferson_County]

Football has been under attack for several years now, even successful programs are starting to see a decline in numbers and more parents decide they don't want their child to play the game.
I remember back in the mid 2000 we had over 120 kids out in youth, now we barely get 80 and you talk to other programs it is the same numbers are declining.

Could overall population decline have anything to do with it? Less kids born per capita could be a contributing factor.

 

[bullitpdq68]

Could overall population decline have anything to do with it? Less kids born per capita could be a contributing factor.

Could be in some regions, but in most grades we have almost 100 boys and only 18-24 going out for football? youth to high school.....I don't think that is an issue in our area.

 

[Sleepless_in_Jefferson_County]

Could be in some regions, but in most grades we have almost 100 boys and only 18-24 going out for football? youth to high school.....I don't think that is an issue in our area.

18 to 24 per 100 boys sounds pretty average.

 

[mowesten]

For those that think MaxPreps knows all and sees all, they have Trinity ranked as the top overall team in Missouri — ahead of CBC.

http://www.maxpreps.com/news/HjL78c...season-top-100-high-school-football-teams.htm

 

[JNreturns]

For those that think MaxPreps knows all and sees all, they have Trinity ranked as the top overall team in Missouri — ahead of CBC.

http://www.maxpreps.com/news/HjL78c...season-top-100-high-school-football-teams.htm

I do think Maxpreps is the end all be all, after we have four games worth of data come in. But this Pre-season speculation is hilarious and stupid. A team that was ranked like #52 in Missouri last year in the top 100 in the Nation? You can only laugh out loud. Overrated as much as the individual players from St. Louis.

 

[wahoolives]

bullitpdq how many kids does Monett have playing soccer now and how many kids do you have in your high school that have no cultural heritage of playing football? That probably has more to do with numbers then anything.

 

[FBisLife12]

I do think Maxpreps is the end all be all, after we have four games worth of data come in. But this Pre-season speculation is hilarious and stupid. A team that was ranked like #52 in Missouri last year in the top 100 in the Nation? You can only laugh out loud. Overrated as much as the individual players from St. Louis.

How would YOU rate individual players in Missouri? You clearly feel the best teams in the state are the ones that have earned the most state championships ... which is indisputable when the subject is “Who has won the most State Championships?”. Does that mean you personally only recognize kids that are on one of the 7 teams that win State every year? Are the kids on one loss teams that don’t win State overrated too? What’s notable is that no one replying to your comments has suggested the kids you admire aren’t talented. Yet you can’t seem to restrain your envy toward talented kids from STL that have been recognized by colleges with offers. It’ll REALLY twist your bra strap when you realize how many STL Metro Area kids have multiple FBS and FCS offers that AREN’T among the so-called Top Rated Players in Missouri.

 

[bhunt95]

Don't care what anyone says. Trinity going be a handful in class 2 or 3.

The Titans have five 4-star's and seven 3-star's from the Class of 2019 and 2020 combined heading into the season led by one of the best duos in the country — Isaiah Williams and Marcus Washington.

 

[Sleepless_in_Jefferson_County]

I do think Maxpreps is the end all be all, after we have four games worth of data come in. But this Pre-season speculation is hilarious and stupid. A team that was ranked like #52 in Missouri last year in the top 100 in the Nation? You can only laugh out loud. Overrated as much as the individual players from St. Louis.

 

[bullitpdq68]

18 to 24 per 100 boys sounds pretty average.

It sounds average now yes, but I remember when I played youth we had just 50 boys in our class. My 6th grade year both the 5th and 6th grade we have over 50-60 boys out in those grades to play, we had two teams per grade. Last night I went and counted how many players we had out in 7th and 8th grade teams in both years we had over 30 boys out, again we only had maybe 50 boys in our Class.

 

[Mofootballfan23]

Trinity is officially a class 3 problem!

 

[FBisLife12]

Trinity is officially a class 3 problem!

Cardinal Ritter is, as well. It’ll be fun to watch heads explode if both schools end up meeting in the championship game.

 

[Mofootballfan23]

Cardinal Ritter is, as well. It’ll be fun to watch heads explode if both schools end up meeting in the championship game.

Haha yes it would be!