Lamar Thoughts

[Arcola]

Congrats on a well earned victory.
Of the 8 is this the hardest earned?
Is Beshore the youngest head coach to win a title?
How many coaches have won a title as a player and coach?
How many private schools have they beaten thru the years?

 

[Jr4038]

Trinity in 16, beat Lutheran North a couple times. 7-6 in the rain in 17, that was a fun game. Beat Maplewood Richmond in 11 to get to their first state game. Beat Valle a couple times but that was in the regular season. Those are the teams I can think of the top of my head. I think they’ve played mostly public schools through their runs!

 

[Midwestern_boy]

Congrats on a well earned victory.
Of the 8 is this the hardest earned?
Is Beshore the youngest head coach to win a title?
How many coaches have won a title as a player and coach?
How many private schools have they beaten thru the years?

2nd. The year we played LN in the Semi’s was the hardest earned. SPX was one heck of a team. I was very impressed.

He is one of the youngest. I couldn’t tell ya if he is for sure.

2 in the state game I’m pretty sure.

 

[Arcola]

Was Maplewood a private?

 

[Midwestern_boy]

Was Maplewood a private?

We never played them in the finals. If you are counting semi’s? We have beaten private schools a few more times then I’ve stated.

 

[stocktiger82]

Was Maplewood a private?

Dont believe they are, they just were loose with their enrollment procedures

 

[Midwestern_boy]

Dont believe they are, they just were loose with their enrollment procedures

And recruitment procedures..... lol 😂

 

[stocktiger82]

And recruitment procedures..... lol 😂

My track team ran against them at state, fastest class 2 sprint relays ever in mo. Good gracious they were fast.

 

[Cards1968]

My track team ran against them at state, fastest class 2 sprint relays ever in mo. Good gracious they were fast.

Don't know why, but that doesn't bother me. Track is more individual as a whole I guess would be my reasoning.

 

[Jr4038]

My mistake I thought maplewood was private because they recruited. Not sure but I don’t think they even have a football program anymore.

 

[O line wins games]

My mistake I thought maplewood was private because they recruited. Not sure but I don’t think they even have a football program anymore.

They do not

 

[Wheels 1]

Don't know why, but that doesn't bother me. Track is more individual as a whole I guess would be my reasoning.

I remember Clark County beating them in football 39-14 in 2008.

 

[Jr4038]

Where does this put Lamar in terms of all-time state champions? I can’t seem to find the total anywhere. I know Webb’s got the most but this has got to put Lamar up there.

 

[Bill_Shakespeare]

Congrats on a well earned victory.
Of the 8 is this the hardest earned?
Is Beshore the youngest head coach to win a title?
How many coaches have won a title as a player and coach?
How many private schools have they beaten thru the years?

im not trying to rain on parades, but this had to be one of the easiest right?... class 2 as a whole was weaker than most years.

 

[Cards1968]

Where does this put Lamar in terms of all-time state champions? I can’t seem to find the total anywhere. I know Webb’s got the most but this has got to put Lamar up there.

15 - Valle and Webb
10 - Jeff City
9 - Rockhurst and JB
8 - Lamar

This is 11 man only.

 

[Arcola]

im not trying to rain on parades, but this had to be one of the easiest right?... class 2 as a whole was weaker than most years.

I meant the championship game . Yes it could be argued that class two was down. Or maybe it’s where it should be???

 

[164chevy]

Lamar’s defense was awesome to watch. Their stopping the run and putting pressure on Moss was impressive. Shouldn’t the pass from Moss to running back have been called a lateral and a fumble. Refs called incomplete pass. #16 for Lamar is a tough running back or qb, whichever you want to call him. How many carries did he have?

 

[Limbline]

Shouldn’t the pass from Moss to running back have been called a lateral and a fumble. Refs called incomplete pass.

It was most definitely a fumble. One of the worst calls that I've seen this year. I would have been thrown out of the game if I was a Lamar coach.

 

[5 step drop]

im not trying to rain on parades, but this had to be one of the easiest right?... class 2 as a whole was weaker than most years.

I’ve seen this a couple of times lately, and I really hope we aren’t trying to de-value or downplay the accomplishment that all these kids worked so hard for...

 

[_slo_mo_]

Was Class 2 down compared to the last few years (which were all time highs for the class mind you)? Possibly. Was this the best Lamar team in school history? No, probably not. But jeez folks, Lamar beat every C2 team that was put in front of them and Pius was undefeated themselves. I can say with very little doubt in my mind that those 2 teams are the 2 best coached teams in C2 this year. At some point talking about how down the class was gets repetitive and pointless. Every class ebbs and flows, but every year they all play by the same rules: you gotta beat whoever they put in front of you and if you can do that, then that is as good as it gets.

 

[Arcola]

Was Class 2 down compared to the last few years (which were all time highs for the class mind you)? Possibly. Was this the best Lamar team in school history? No, probably not. But jeez folks, Lamar beat every C2 team that was put in front of them and Pius was undefeated themselves. I can say with very little doubt in my mind that those 2 teams are the 2 best coached teams in C2 this year. At some point talking about how down the class was gets repetitive and pointless. Every class ebbs and flows, but every year they all play by the same rules: you gotta beat whoever they put in front of you and if you can do that, then that is as good as it gets.

Plus a few private schools was moved up where they should be.

 

[Cheetah King]

I think this has to be a particularly satisfying title for Lamar for several reasons. It reminds me of Webb City’s championship in 92 after starting 1-2.

1. Lamar won first title under new coaching staff. Obviously Bailey built the program but this is proof that the program is on solid footing.

2. After 4-5 weeks Lamar was not looking at all like a team that would make a title run. That attests to good coaching and improvement.

3. I’m not saying Lamar fans are that surprised that they won a title but this isn’t like the middle of the Lamar 7-peat when a couple of those teams maybe only got tested once in the playoffs. This one was a grind. At the end of the day this trophy counts the same as a turbo clock in the dome.

Well done Lamar.

 

[hsmaniac]

Public

I believe they co-op with Ladue now.

 

[CoachFox-ScreamingEagles]

I meant the championship game . Yes it could be argued that class two was down. Or maybe it’s where it should be???

Great point. Reminder of what class 2 was like before 2011.

 

[Cards1968]

Great point. Reminder of what class 2 was like before 2011.

LMFAO. Jesus Christ on a popsicle. One of the most impressive performances regardless of class was 2010. There's another team from 2003 that would also like a word.

 

[Sam Stone]

I’ve seen this a couple of times lately, and I really hope we aren’t trying to de-value or downplay the accomplishment that all these kids worked so hard for...

A state title is a state title. Nobody is taking that away from them. That doesn't mean that certain years aren't an easier classification or bracket from other years. Sorry if it's not what you want to hear. You're free to disagree.

 

[Sam Stone]

Plus a few private schools was moved up where they should be.

To water down the competition

 

[Arcola]

To water down the competition

 

[shoot90draw]

LMFAO. Jesus Christ on a popsicle. One of the most impressive performances regardless of class was 2010. There's another team from 2003 that would also like a word.

Easy there Cards. Thats Coach Nickerson you're talking to there. A Doc Guy legend.

 

[Cards1968]

Easy there Cards. That Coach Nickerson you're talking to there. A Doc Guy legend.

Perhaps he should quit making absolutely mind numbing statements like Class 2 was 'down' before 2011 when one of the best Class 2 teams of all-time actually played the year before.

We all get it. Lamar has a great (all-time great mind you) program. There were a couple all-time great teams in this run. 2010 Penney and 2003 Centralia (among several other teams throughout history) were as or more dominant in their era.

IF he was alluding to the St. Louis 'superteam' phenomenon, there was Maplewood. It really was an ignorant statement. Sorry I hurt some feelings.

 

[Mofan79]

Perhaps he should quit making absolutely mind numbing statements like Class 2 was 'down' before 2011 when one of the best Class 2 teams of all-time actually played the year before.

We all get it. Lamar has a great (all-time great mind you) program. There were a couple all-time great teams in this run. 2010 Penney and 2003 Centralia (among several other teams throughout history) were as or more dominant in their era.

IF he was alluding to the St. Louis 'superteam' phenomenon, there was Maplewood. It really was an ignorant statement. Sorry I hurt some feelings.

Personally I would like to know more about these popsicles.... are they as good as adderall?

 

[Cards1968]

Personally I would like to know more about these popsicles.... are they as good as adderall?

 

[stocktiger82]

Perhaps he should quit making absolutely mind numbing statements like Class 2 was 'down' before 2011 when one of the best Class 2 teams of all-time actually played the year before.

We all get it. Lamar has a great (all-time great mind you) program. There were a couple all-time great teams in this run. 2010 Penney and 2003 Centralia (among several other teams throughout history) were as or more dominant in their era.

IF he was alluding to the St. Louis 'superteam' phenomenon, there was Maplewood. It really was an ignorant statement. Sorry I hurt some feelings.

Cards I think the 2009 Hamilton team was better overall than 2010. We played them b

 

[Cards1968]

Cards I think the 2009 Hamilton team was better overall than 2010. We played them b

That was the Class 1 version. Calpreps has 2010 by a touchdown.


neutral field
[2010] Penney (Hamilton, MO) 38, [2009] Penney (Hamilton, MO) 31

 

[stocktiger82]

That was the Class 1 version. Calpreps has 2010 by a touchdown.


neutral field
[2010] Penney (Hamilton, MO) 38, [2009] Penney (Hamilton, MO) 31

Well class1 state champs both. Played both.

 

[BoosterBosko]

LMFAO. Jesus Christ on a popsicle. One of the most impressive performances regardless of class was 2010. There's another team from 2003 that would also like a word.

WHOA!!!! Cards, you do realize that Coach Nickerson coached at the college AND NFL levels, right!? This dude KNOWS football.

 

[sw5890]

I really thought Lamar's run was over but glad to see I was wrong!

 

[Cards1968]

WHOA!!!! Cards, you do realize that Coach Nickerson coached at the college AND NFL levels, right!? This dude KNOWS football.

He damn sure don't know diddly poo about history.

 

[Midwestern_boy]

To water down the competition

Playing small schools with rosters of recruited players isn’t fair. Moving them up should only equal, or hopefully equal competition for those teams. What’s watering down HS football in Mo is small towns not having jobs, and kids playing online games instead of putting on the football pads. It’s a growing trend across the country.

 

[Midwestern_boy]

That was the Class 1 version. Calpreps has 2010 by a touchdown.


neutral field
[2010] Penney (Hamilton, MO) 38, [2009] Penney (Hamilton, MO) 31

I just want to know how we can even try to compare football from different decades. We really don’t know how good teams would do, or if the competition was even that great in comparison to now. There’s really no gauge. Or argument to be made.