KC is the baseball town StL thinks it is
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Just another stupid thing coming out of Washington D.C. Probably thinks Obama is a good President too.
And you could have taken those $15 tickets to customer service and got them upgraded for free as well. We used to do it all the time in college. I loved going to Kauffman during the week nights. No traffic leaving the parking lot. No beer line. No lines in the bathroom. Good times.
St. Louis Cardinals NL 11 1926, 1931, 1934 '42, 1944, 1946, 1964, 1967, 1982, 2006, 2011 World Series Titles
Kansas City Royals AL 1 1985 enough said!!
Kansas City Royals AL 1 1985 enough said!!
I will just leave this right here...from the St.Louis Post-Dispatch even...
Media Views: Best baseball town? In Missouri, TV ratings say it's KC
http://www.stltoday.com/entertainme...cle_814c0034-e4ff-55cf-951a-2c2efedac8d5.html
Best baseball town in America?
Well, at least according to the television ratings, St. Louis isn’t even No. 1 in its own state.
According to figures compiled by Nielsen, which measures viewership, Kansas City is rocking St. Louis in ratings for postseason games. That’s when it comes to recent appearances by the home-town team in the league championship round and World Series.
Last year, the Royals were in the Series for the first time since they beat the Cardinals for the 1985 title. And the rating in Kansas City averaged a whopping 50.2 for their loss in seven games to San Francisco. (That means 50.2 percent of homes in the market with a TV tuned in.)
In 2013, the last time the Cards were in the Series, the St. Louis rating was 40.6. The Redbirds lost in six games to Boston that year, with the Red Sox building a big early lead in the final contest and cruising to victory which pulled the rating for that game down to 37.9.
That’s logical. But what is more telling is the time before that when they were in the Series — in 2011, capping their miracle run to the championship after being all but dead in late August. That series, the dramatic seven-game affair in which they had their miraculous comeback to win Game 6, drew a 47.2 rating locally.
And the St. Louis rating then for Game 7 — a winner — was 52.7. The Royals drew a 58.7 number in KC for their Game 7 — a loser — last year.
In the ongoing American League championship series, the rating in Kansas City is 30.5 — and that is with back-to-back weekday afternoon games. The ALCS rating there last year was 31.9. The Cardinals’ last two trips to the National League title series (2014 and 2013) drew ratings in St. Louis of 23.5 and 28.9.
All this comes on the heels of Kansas City leading all U.S. teams this season in ratings for the teams’ local telecasts, with a rating of 12.3. St. Louis was second, at 10.0.
But let’s take a deeper look.
The reason for all of this probably is the bandwagon effect. Postseason baseball is a novelty in KC but has been a way of life in St. Louis. Before last season, the Royals hadn’t been to the playoffs in 29 years, whereas the Cardinals’ appearance this year was their 14th in that span.
And the ratings trend doesn’t translate to the turnstiles. Attendance the last two seasons in St. Louis has been 3.5 million. In Kansas City, it was 1.9 million in 2014 and 2.7 million this year.
And Missouri’s biggest market did do better in the TV ratings than its No. 2 city in the recently completed first round of the playoffs. The St. Louis rating was 25.4, the number in KC was 23.1. But the Cards were playing their biggest rival, the Cubs, for the first time in the postseason. The Royals had a matchup with the Astros, who were completing just their third season in the American League.
A more apt comparison: Last year, for the Cards’ opening-round matchup with the Dodgers, the St. Louis rating was 19.5. The year before, against Pittsburgh, it was 16.4.
Media Views: Best baseball town? In Missouri, TV ratings say it's KC
http://www.stltoday.com/entertainme...cle_814c0034-e4ff-55cf-951a-2c2efedac8d5.html
Best baseball town in America?
Well, at least according to the television ratings, St. Louis isn’t even No. 1 in its own state.
According to figures compiled by Nielsen, which measures viewership, Kansas City is rocking St. Louis in ratings for postseason games. That’s when it comes to recent appearances by the home-town team in the league championship round and World Series.
Last year, the Royals were in the Series for the first time since they beat the Cardinals for the 1985 title. And the rating in Kansas City averaged a whopping 50.2 for their loss in seven games to San Francisco. (That means 50.2 percent of homes in the market with a TV tuned in.)
In 2013, the last time the Cards were in the Series, the St. Louis rating was 40.6. The Redbirds lost in six games to Boston that year, with the Red Sox building a big early lead in the final contest and cruising to victory which pulled the rating for that game down to 37.9.
That’s logical. But what is more telling is the time before that when they were in the Series — in 2011, capping their miracle run to the championship after being all but dead in late August. That series, the dramatic seven-game affair in which they had their miraculous comeback to win Game 6, drew a 47.2 rating locally.
And the St. Louis rating then for Game 7 — a winner — was 52.7. The Royals drew a 58.7 number in KC for their Game 7 — a loser — last year.
In the ongoing American League championship series, the rating in Kansas City is 30.5 — and that is with back-to-back weekday afternoon games. The ALCS rating there last year was 31.9. The Cardinals’ last two trips to the National League title series (2014 and 2013) drew ratings in St. Louis of 23.5 and 28.9.
All this comes on the heels of Kansas City leading all U.S. teams this season in ratings for the teams’ local telecasts, with a rating of 12.3. St. Louis was second, at 10.0.
But let’s take a deeper look.
The reason for all of this probably is the bandwagon effect. Postseason baseball is a novelty in KC but has been a way of life in St. Louis. Before last season, the Royals hadn’t been to the playoffs in 29 years, whereas the Cardinals’ appearance this year was their 14th in that span.
And the ratings trend doesn’t translate to the turnstiles. Attendance the last two seasons in St. Louis has been 3.5 million. In Kansas City, it was 1.9 million in 2014 and 2.7 million this year.
And Missouri’s biggest market did do better in the TV ratings than its No. 2 city in the recently completed first round of the playoffs. The St. Louis rating was 25.4, the number in KC was 23.1. But the Cards were playing their biggest rival, the Cubs, for the first time in the postseason. The Royals had a matchup with the Astros, who were completing just their third season in the American League.
A more apt comparison: Last year, for the Cards’ opening-round matchup with the Dodgers, the St. Louis rating was 19.5. The year before, against Pittsburgh, it was 16.4.
I do want the Royals to win, they need a Championship they can actually be proud of.
When the Royals go to the playoffs 12 out 15 years and start averaging 3.5M in attendance check back with us. I grew up on that side of the state (BS class of 91) and until the past 2 years the Royals were nothing more than an after thought around KC. Enjoy your little run, it's second nature here in Cardinal Nation!
Everyone takes shots at the Cardinals. That's what being a consistent winner brings. And us Cards fans are a little spoiled. My kids don't remember the 70s and don't really remember the early 90s. Since the DeWitts took over in 96 the Cards have one of if not the best record in all of baseball. That's a pretty good 20 years that have caused a lot of jealousy from other teams and fans. I couldn't image going thru nearly 30 years of futility. I'd guess when success finally did come one would be ecstatic. Kind of how St. Louis was over the Rams Super Bowl years. Good for the Royals and fans. Hopefully another I70 series is in the near future.
BFIBs are annoying. New money fans are too. And the Nielsen ratings...1960 called and wants their system back.
I would say this attitude is why many baseball fans do not like Cards fans and their self proclaimed best baseball town title. Keep in mind this quote was said by a guy from DC, not a Royals fan.
Its easy to be a fan when you go to the playoffs 12/15 years. Its hard to endure what Royals fans have endured and yet maintained their loyalty (like my dad being a Browns fan).
Kinda like Chef fans and their "loudest stadium" "best tailgating" etc.....
I know a few guys that were pretty hardcore Royals fans. But don't lie to me saying you've been a Royals fan all of your life, through and through. You've been a Royals "follower".
You guys don't even know. You've won a championship. Try being a Blues fan or a Vikings fan. No idea.
Teams that win have an interested fan base. Teams that don't have disinterest and empty seats. In every sport. In every city. No city or fan base is more immune to this than any other. Includes the "BFIB."
Many fans don't like winners, not just Birds fans. Heck, I don't like BFIB crap. It's annoying.
Check the numbers between 88 and 00. Granted, it wasn't Royals run brutal. But I think the Birds competed one, maybe two years, and attendance was still crazy good. To make the assertion Birds fans only show up when they're winning just isn't correct.
I almost mentioned the Cubs, but was too lazy to look up the numbers. But instinct told me they did. Fact is, most don't draw in lean years. Few do. Probably why those franchises are considered among the best.
JoeyNorthlandoKCMO
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The Royals didn't come into existence until 1969...since then,
World Series Titles
1985
AL Pennants
2015, 2014, 1985, 1980
Division Titles
1976, 1977, 1978, 1980, 1984, 1985, 2015
World Series Titles
2011, 2006, 1982
NL Pennants
2013, 2011, 2006, 2004, 1987, 1985, 1982
Division Titles
2015, 2014, 2013, 2009, 2006, 2005, 2004, 2002, 2000, 1996, 1987, 1985, 1982
JoeyNorthlandoKCMO
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I was in KC from 76 to 85...and the Cards were just an old afterthought. The Royals were in the ALCS six times. And the Cards made a good run with a Royals' catcher and manager in 82. But the Cards were very dead and old inferior team...not so much since then. The Cards lost to the 4th best Royals team of that decade in the 85 series. It was an era of Yankees v. Royals...with both having 30-40% higher payrolls than the next highest team. We got spoiled on 90+ win seasons and division championships.
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Which almost proves the point in the thread. Fans came out when the Royals were really good. And those years, when the Birds were really bad, the attendance was on par with league average.
Not to mention the Cardinals won the World Series in 67 and lost in the WS in 68.
I've been to several Royals games in the past 5-10 years with crowds of 15,000-16,000 tops. I've got some friends that have been loyal Royal fans through and through and although as a Cardinals fan I will take some teasing from Royal fans and I am still bitter about 1985 I'm totally good with the Royals getting a World Series win.
JoeyNorthlandoKCMO
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CALLING B.S. on the attendance facts. Card attendance was dismal in 1980-81.. And then...oh, the fair weather fans of St. Louis showed up. 1980: 1.385 M 1981: 1.01 Million. (I know, strike season.) Then 1982 championship season. $2.1 Million show up. Great fans. Show up when you are winning. Proof positive that the bandwagon is alive and well in the third world city, we call St. Louis.
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JoeyNorthlandoKCMO
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the fair weather fans of St. Louis showed up. 1980: 1.385 M 1981: 1.01 Million. Then 1982 championship season. $2.1 Million show up.
You just cherry picked three years, and one of those years was a tad above league average. That's the point. Even when they're horrid, they can still pull in league average numbers. Only a moron would argue against more fans supporting a winner. I don't think that was ever the premise.
And there's lil bro syndrome at its finest. Good lordy, you folks sure do get all bent up. It's really comical.
JoeyNorthlandoKCMO
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Comical when someone makes up stuff, and then gets called out on it with FACTS.
JoeyNorthlandoKCMO
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What wasn't factual? You gave a 10 year window. In that 10 year window I said the Birds were bad and still drew league average numbers. Which they did. Scroll through and have a look yourself.
http://www.baseball-almanac.com/teams/cardatte.shtml
Simmer. Wasn't calling you a moron. Merely someone that would argue that premise, which I don't think anyone on here has. Although, like in your post, it certainly gets suggested that's what Birds fans argue. Keep in mind, I distinguish between fan and BFIB.
You must admit the Chiefs following is impressive considering their relative lack of success. However, I never admitted to be a Royals fan. In fact, Im not one and I won't claim to be even though I bought a Royals shirt last year for the first time and started watching their games. Doesn't make me a fan, Ive just enjoyed watching their success and the excitement it has brought to KC. And any excuse to be able to go out with friends and have a drink in the middle of the week.
Im excited for the guys that have been true Royals fans. The guys that said that "this year is their year" every year. Because it has finally happened.
I never asserted this. I simply said its easy to follow a team when there is success there. To deny this is comical. Like Rufus said, every sport, every city, every team succumbs to this. Im not sure about prior to the 2000s (I was less than 10 years old), but based on your numbers fans continued to support the Cardinals prior to their ascension to the top of baseball. I was simply pointing out that it is easier to be loyal to a team that shows success.
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