If somebody does not want your business or to work for you, then why would you want some law forcing them? Do you think you would get their best work? .
Indiana Governor Mike Pence signed a "religious freedom" bill
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The question is what Bible are you reading?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thou_shalt_not_kill
"You shall not murder" (Deuteronomy 5:17.
The imperative is against unlawful killing resulting in self-defense.
Retzach[edit]
The רצח (r-ṣ-ḥ, also transliterated retzach, ratzákh, ratsakh etc.) is the word in the original text that is translated as "murder" or "kill", but it has a wider range of meanings, generally describing destructive activity, including meanings "to break, to dash to pieces" as well as "to slay, kill, murder".
According to the [6]
The act of slaying itself, regardless of questions of bloodguilt, is expressed with the verb n-k-h "to strike, smite, hit, beat, slay, kill". This verb is used of both an Egyptian slaying an Israelite slave and of Moses slaying the Egyptian in retaliation in [8]
Another verb meaning "to kill, slay, murder, destroy, ruin" is h-r-g, used of Genesis 4:14, he again uses this verb (h-r-g).
The commandment against murder can be viewed as a legal issue governing human relationships, noting that the first four commandments relate strongly to man's duty to God and that the latter six commandments describe duties toward humans.[13]
Ecclesiastes 3
A Time for Everything
3 There is an appointed time for everything. And there is a time for every [a]event under heaven-
3 A time to kill and a time to heal;
Really? Arkansa? Did the Bible thumpers go with them? That is pretty close. I'll have to keep my eyes open....some of those Bibles are HUGE!
Oh so the 10 commandments are just kinda guidelines. Guess ecclesiastes is one of the Tanakh books that is comfortable for today's Christians so you follow that one. It's your out.
Nice to know that doctrine says you can't sell a donut to a gay person but you can kill them.
Religion of Peace.
Let's see if I understand this
A person invest their hard earned money in a business and accepts all the risk involved with that.
Someone walks in and ask them to make cookies with Rainbows on them to help promote homosexuality which is against their religious beliefs.
They say no...they won't do that, but you believe they should be FORCED to?
It doesn't appear we are talking about them being refused food in a public restaurant.
It doesn't appear we are talking about them being refused lodging at a hotel.
It doesn't appear they are being refused to be seated at a movie, play, or theatre
The only person whose basic human rights are threatened here is the person who owns the business.
A person invest their hard earned money in a business and accepts all the risk involved with that.
Someone walks in and ask them to make cookies with Rainbows on them to help promote homosexuality which is against their religious beliefs.
They say no...they won't do that, but you believe they should be FORCED to?
It doesn't appear we are talking about them being refused food in a public restaurant.
It doesn't appear we are talking about them being refused lodging at a hotel.
It doesn't appear they are being refused to be seated at a movie, play, or theatre
The only person whose basic human rights are threatened here is the person who owns the business.
Re: Let's see if I understand this
You do recognize the law applied to all of the other things you mentioned (no food, lodging, whatever).
Christians are selectively outraged. If they were consistent, they would deny service to all people that sin.
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There is difference in serving a gay person who is doing normal everyday business and one who is asking you to help them promote their agenda. When they are asking for cooking with Rainbow's on them I can see the issue. I also see that people without religious convictions don't see it, but the issue is that they were asked to violate their religious convictions.
Look out for that storm of red herrings!
The 10 commandments are as important as any other part of the Old Testament (including Ecclesiastes). Only you say otherwise.
The Bible doesn't say we can't sell donuts to homosexuals, racists, child abusers, or anyone else. It does tell us to not encourage or celebrate sin. If selling a homosexual a donut did so (it doesn't) then we couldn't. If homosexuals want to rent a donut shop owned and opperated by Christians to host a gay rally, that would be different.
Regardless it shouldn't be regulated by gubmint. And yes we can show many instances of the GOP lubbin dat big gubmint.
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If it is like any other law a politician passes you can count on several things:
They didn't read it
They didn't understand it if they did read it
They believe it only applies to everyone else if they did understand it
If it is like any other law a politician passes you can count on several things:
They didn't read it
They didn't understand it if they did read it
They believe it only applies to everyone else if they did understand it
If a person was using a hotel I owned to cheat on their wife and told me so it would be no different. This law applies there too. If the KKK wanted to have a rally and asked to use my banquet room......the same thing.
You are the one being selective!
Serving sinners (homosexuals) is not the issue and you know it. Being REQUIRED to participate in said sin IS the issue.
Yeah! Oh wait, the GOP isn't the ones driving THIS "gubmint" requirement. When they do, fine, point it out and I agree. Don't blame those who aren't responsible.
GOP:
Widespread surveillance
Indefinite detention
Torture
extraordinary rendition
subsidy for religious groups
restriction on borders
government denial of bargaining rights for workers.
government attack on peaceful protests
government interference on womans reproductive rights (abortion is STILL the law..you had your 6 year shot)
infringe on right of same sex couples to wed
to start with...
What small gubmint GOP likes...
cut taxes for wealthy
no regulation on business ( but plenty on citizens)
gut enviro regs
weaken worker protections
cut funding for education, welfare (other than for israel and corps) and public health.
Be proud
Uh, those aren't "gubmint" regulations. Those are YOUR interpretations of things that may or may not be accurate.
Bull crap. You're telling me these people you don't provide services to people that have been divorced or you know they've been unfaithful or take the Lord's name in vain?
It's all hypocrisy.
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It's all hypocrisy.
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As a business owner we had customers that we knew were openly gay. We were polite and served them as we would any other person. We also had a woman who was a great customer who we knew had cheated on her husband and was still seeing the man.....once again she was treated with respect like any other person. We even had a young man working for us that we knew was gay. All this leads to a simple point. No man is without sin, and in God's eyes all sin is bad. That is why he sent His Son Jesus. This Sunday is a special reminder of that.
As I mentioned earlier, I think there is a huge difference in simply doing business with someone on a day to day basis as opposed to being asked to do something that helps them promote their cause. That is where I draw the line.
As I mentioned earlier, I think there is a huge difference in simply doing business with someone on a day to day basis as opposed to being asked to do something that helps them promote their cause. That is where I draw the line.
You don't think paying them a salary is much more helpful to their cause than making them a cake?
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You just keep ignoring the facts.
No one is saying Christians can't serve sinners. Based on scripture, Christians can't Aid in the sin! Selling a cheating spouse (sinner) gas isn't a sin unless they tell you it's so they have gas to go cheat. Same with homosexuals. Serving homosexuals for daily function is not a problem and is even encouraged. We are to reach out to sinners with the redemptive story of Jesus. We are not allowed to aid, encourage, or endorse sinfull behavior. Helping in a homosexual wedding would do just that.
It probably is but we can't control sin. The cake is for a specific purpose (if stated so) and we can't participate in that purpose.
It may all be or none of it. You are making statements of your judgement of an issue. You are not providing and actual government program that was promoted or approved by an actual person.
Just wondering if they offer sinful things like payperview movies...or some of the cable channels like Cinemax.
You wouldn't support something like that would you?
"No one is saying Christians can't serve sinners. Based on scripture, Christians can't Aid in the sin"
That is one of your better pieces of twisted logic. Definitely top 5.
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That is one of your better pieces of twisted logic. Definitely top 5.
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Are you sure you went to college? What is so difficult about understanding that when you make things for a gay pride rally that you are an active supporter at that point.
Do I need to get the crayons out here?
Geez, I woke up in a good mood.....I'm going to go find some grass to mow before the games start today LOL
Do I need to get the crayons out here?
Geez, I woke up in a good mood.....I'm going to go find some grass to mow before the games start today LOL
I'm saying you support a gay person much more by giving them a wage rather than baking them a cake. What's so hard to understand about that?
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Also, do you invest in any companies on the DJIA? I guarantee you they do sinful things.
It's just selective outrage and hypocrisy by some Christians.
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It's just selective outrage and hypocrisy by some Christians.
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