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I am not a scientist

What kind of toilet used 13 gallons per flush? Jesus.
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Yeah cfl light bulbs are much less luminous than energy eaters. Right...A Whole 60 lumens.

Do do you just like paying more on your utility bill so you can say you're sticking it to the environment? I just don't get the thinking.
 
Originally posted by wcowherd:
What kind of toilet used 13 gallons per flush? Jesus.
laugh.r191677.gif


Yeah cfl light bulbs are much less luminous than energy eaters. Right...A Whole 60 lumens.

Do do you just like paying more on your utility bill so you can say you're sticking it to the environment? I just don't get the thinking.
I guess I missed the part where you can find these items you say aren't outlawed.
 
Originally posted by wcowherd:
What kind of toilet used 13 gallons per flush? Jesus.
laugh.r191677.gif


Yeah cfl light bulbs are much less luminous than energy eaters. Right...A Whole 60 lumens.
My bad, I meant liters. I don't think Jesus had toilets.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-flush_toilet


A low-flow toilet is a flush toilet that uses significantly less water than a full-flush toilet. Low-flow toilets use 6 liters (1.6 gallons) or less per flush as opposed to 13.2 liters (about 3.5 gallons) as was the norm in the 1980s and prior.

In 1988 Massachusetts became the first state in the country to mandate the use of low flow toilets in new construction and remodeling. In 1992, U.S. President Energy Policy Act. This law made 1.6 gallons per flush a mandatory federal maximum for new toilets.

Yes, that said MANDATE!!!!!

http://energyblog.nationalgeographic.com/2013/12/31/u-s-phase-out-of-incandescent-light-bulbs-continues-in-2014-with-40-60-watt-varieties/

On January 1, 2014, in keeping with a law passed by Congress in 2007, the old familiar tungsten-filament 40- and 60-watt incandescent light bulbs can no longer be manufactured in the U.S., because they don't meet federal energy-efficiency standards.

It's the last part of a progressed last year with discontinuation of the 75-watt variety. But this final stage is the most significant, according to Noah Horowitz, a senior scientist at the Natural Resources Defense Council, a Washington, D.C.-based environmental organization. "The 40s and 60s represent more than 50 percent of the [consumer lighting] market," he said.

CFLs are slower to light up, produce less light, are not dimmable (unless you purchace an even more expensive bulb), are not easily disposed of, break easily, and their lifespan is greatly reduced by cycling on and off.

Once again, if these lights are so much better, why the need to mandate them???? I am switching to LED lighting because it is better but for some people it is too costly to do the whole house at one time.
 
You've admitted that not all incandescent lightbulbs are unavailable for purchase, which is my point. Also, you can still fire up those energy eaters. You just can't buy certain bulbs.

Have you ever used a CFL light bulb before? Because if you had you would know there's virtually no difference. They fire up maybe half a second later than incandescent bulbs, their lumacity is virtually the same (60 lumens difference on average), and their life cycle is much longer than incandescent bulbs. But hey, if you enjoy paying more on your utility bill to stick it to the environment, be my guest.

As a nuclear engineer, I certainly won't raise a fuss about anyone using more power, no matter how dumb I might think it is.
 
Originally posted by wcowherd:
You've admitted that not all incandescent lightbulbs are unavailable for purchase, which is my point. Also, you can still fire up those energy eaters. You just can't buy certain bulbs.

Have you ever used a CFL light bulb before? Because if you had you would know there's virtually no difference. They fire up maybe half a second later than incandescent bulbs, their lumacity is virtually the same (60 lumens difference on average), and their life cycle is much longer than incandescent bulbs. But hey, if you enjoy paying more on your utility bill to stick it to the environment, be my guest.

As a nuclear engineer, I certainly won't raise a fuss about anyone using more power, no matter how dumb I might think it is.
Don't have much use for 20 watt bulbs.

Have half a house full of them. I use them in places I don't need good light or immediate light. They all start out dim and "warm up" over a couple minutes. Once they get to "full speed" the light is ok but not as good as incandescents. They are worthless for a closet or outside lighting.

As a nuclear engineer you should know the energy laws better. Now, where can I buy a toilet that uses enough water to flush a turd? I'm tired of using muratic acid to flush out the 20 year old ones I have.
 
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