How much does Coaching have to do with STL superstar teams losing in the playoffs?

[STLFTBL]

After watching the defending State Champion Cardinal Ritter lose to Lafayette, it caused me to look at recent all star teams from St. Louis losing in the playoffs. Last year Lutheran North lost to Hillsboro in which it was evident the young staff at Lutheran North was outcoached. What I am seeing is that even though you have superior talent, it does not translate into State Titles because you always run into a team who is better prepared than you. It seems that the older staffs and the staffs from outside the STL area take the X's and O's more serious and that is why we see these big upsets. Looking for other opinions, but how can a team loaded with D1 prospects lose to teams that may not have any? Really looking to others opinions on this topic, how much does Coaching have to do with a team winning in the playoffs?

 

[TheDaddy]

Kearney coach only in his third year and whoever said there is no D1 talent on Kearney because there are plenty of them. Coaching has a lot to do with it period you can't just win with the athletes. There is more to the game than a 40 time weight room is probably the biggest difference you will see from the Kearney team. I talk to people all over the place and the one common thing they say is where did you get all those grown ass men? I tell them they are self made in the weight room.

 

[Veer2Eternity]

Kearney coach only in his third year and whoever said there is no D1 talent on Kearney because there are plenty of them. Coaching has a lot to do with it period you can't just win with the athletes. There is more to the game than a 40 time weight room is probably the biggest difference you will see from the Kearney team. I talk to people all over the place and the one common thing they say is where did you get all those grown ass men? I tell them they are self made in the weight room.

and your two most grown men moved in.

That's pretty handy

 

[TheDaddy]

and your two most grown men moved in.

That's pretty handy

It does help I will admit.

 

[NorthKansascity]

To the OP.

Are we sure STL has better athletes than KC?

Are we sure Kearney and other schools similar are that much stronger than the STL schools?

Just asking because I know we hype up how crazy Kearney is in the WT room but I do wonder if those boys over at LN are comparable in strength.

 

[thesnow.flakegazette]

To the OP.

Are we sure STL has better athletes than KC?

Are we sure Kearney and other schools similar are that much stronger than the STL schools?

Just asking because I know we hype up how crazy Kearney is in the WT room but I do wonder if those boys over at LN are comparable in strength.

P4 D1 talent, yes. After that, no.
KC has far superior coaching top to bottom.

 

[thetophat2021]

P4 D1 talent, yes. After that, no.
KC has far superior coaching top to bottom.

This metro has always been a haven for great coaching!

 

[thetophat2021]

and your two most grown men moved in.

That's pretty handy

Southeast Polk so loves it..................

 

[65TPT]

After watching the defending State Champion Cardinal Ritter lose to Lafayette, it caused me to look at recent all star teams from St. Louis losing in the playoffs. Last year Lutheran North lost to Hillsboro in which it was evident the young staff at Lutheran North was outcoached. What I am seeing is that even though you have superior talent, it does not translate into State Titles because you always run into a team who is better prepared than you. It seems that the older staffs and the staffs from outside the STL area take the X's and O's more serious and that is why we see these big upsets. Looking for other opinions, but how can a team loaded with D1 prospects lose to teams that may not have any? Really looking to others opinions on this topic, how much does Coaching have to do with a team winning in the playoffs?

I think coaching makes a huge difference. Those teams are undisciplined and not fundamentally sound. When they run into teams that are well coached and have their fair share of talent they struggle. There’s just not many teams in the state that have the talent to compete with these guys.

I do think the other thing is kids are recruited on potential more than how good they actually are. Whereas some kids don’t get the offers as others because they will never meet the height, weight, speed requirements that D1 colleges want, but they are tremendous high school football players.

 

[thetophat2021]

After watching the defending State Champion Cardinal Ritter lose to Lafayette, it caused me to look at recent all star teams from St. Louis losing in the playoffs. Last year Lutheran North lost to Hillsboro in which it was evident the young staff at Lutheran North was outcoached. What I am seeing is that even though you have superior talent, it does not translate into State Titles because you always run into a team who is better prepared than you. It seems that the older staffs and the staffs from outside the STL area take the X's and O's more serious and that is why we see these big upsets. Looking for other opinions, but how can a team loaded with D1 prospects lose to teams that may not have any? Really looking to others opinions on this topic, how much does Coaching have to do with a team winning in the playoffs?

CBC lost the prior week to Kirkwood.

 

[thetophat2021]

I think coaching makes a huge difference. Those teams are undisciplined and not fundamentally sound. When they run into teams that are well coached and have their fair share of talent they struggle. There’s just not many teams in the state that have the talent to compete with these guys.

I do think the other thing is kids are recruited on potential more than how good they actually are. Whereas some kids don’t get the offers as others because they will never meet the height, weight, speed requirements that D1 colleges want, but they are tremendous high school football players.

Go all the way back to the day Minnick hired on as Kearney HC (early 2022) I called it a home run hire. I was wrong it was a freaking grand slam and that is irregardless what happens this Saturday.

 

[Pancho and Lefty]

It seems to me some of the private/parochial schools have adopted a little league model as far as coaches who don't work in education are on the coaching staff.
Little league - the teams with the best couple of players will always win.
As you get to varsity football, it becomes obv that talent is about 75% of the equation, but the 25% coaching factor is enough for teams with above avg talent to beat teams with even better talent.

A team with 7 3 stars should not lose against inferior talent teams.

 

[NorthKansascity]

Lmao! It’s all talent. All teams.

Week after week no matter the game I watch starting defenses dominate teams near or at shutouts. Backups come in and TD instantly.

Everyone’s a genius when you got savages on the field!

 

[MOhusker12]

After watching the defending State Champion Cardinal Ritter lose to Lafayette, it caused me to look at recent all star teams from St. Louis losing in the playoffs. Last year Lutheran North lost to Hillsboro in which it was evident the young staff at Lutheran North was outcoached. What I am seeing is that even though you have superior talent, it does not translate into State Titles because you always run into a team who is better prepared than you. It seems that the older staffs and the staffs from outside the STL area take the X's and O's more serious and that is why we see these big upsets. Looking for other opinions, but how can a team loaded with D1 prospects lose to teams that may not have any? Really looking to others opinions on this topic, how much does Coaching have to do with a team winning in the playoffs?

I would say, just take a look at what a guy like Mike Leach accomplished at the Division 1 level, with what many would consider non elite talent and programs. Having great players no doubt makes every coach better, but knowing how to put kids in great situations based on your level of talent is what elite coaching does, thus the Xs and Os matter a ton.

 

[thetophat2021]

Lmao! It’s all talent. All teams.

Week after week no matter the game I watch starting defenses dominate teams near or at shutouts. Backups come in and TD instantly.

Everyone’s a genius when you got savages on the field!

Savannah didn't give you permission to post about them................

 

[Bucksnort77]

The head ball coach is obviously a critical role at every level of football. However, I think the depth of the staff at the high school level is a massive differentiator. You can have the best HC of all time, but if he's handed a crew of inexperienced and/or less than motivated assistants, the team will be limited. The HC has some say in who is on his staff, of course, but not to the level that college/NFL head coaches have. If a high school HC has coordinators and position coaches who understand and appreciate the details of film study and teaching, then your odds of having a great team is high.

 

[STLFTBL]

So is it safe to say that the reason the Private Schools from STL who actively seek out athletes lose because they have a bunch of Little League coaches? When you say that and I look at the staffs of schools like Lutheran N, Cardinal Ritter and even East St. Louis in Illinois, you see a lot of coaches who are the star players little league coaches on the staff. So tell me, will Kearney beat Lutheran North because they have more talent or better coaching and schemes?

 

[The Last Black Man In Missouri]

I think coaching makes a huge difference. Those teams are undisciplined and not fundamentally sound. When they run into teams that are well coached and have their fair share of talent they struggle. There’s just not many teams in the state that have the talent to compete with these guys.

I do think the other thing is kids are recruited on potential more than how good they actually are. Whereas some kids don’t get the offers as others because they will never meet the height, weight, speed requirements that D1 colleges want, but they are tremendous high school football players.

Considering all the levels from D1 down (D2,D3, ect) does provide opportunities for people who put in the work to participate. While not every athlete can get that D1 opportunity- each person participating in their respective disciplines can make positive impacts, contribute to the team and grow from it.

 

[thesnow.flakegazette]

Lmao! It’s all talent. All teams.

Week after week no matter the game I watch starting defenses dominate teams near or at shutouts. Backups come in and TD instantly.

Everyone’s a genius when you got savages on the field!

This is a horrible example 🤣🤣🤣

 

[thesnow.flakegazette]

So is it safe to say that the reason the Private Schools from STL who actively seek out athletes lose because they have a bunch of Little League coaches? When you say that and I look at the staffs of schools like Lutheran N, Cardinal Ritter and even East St. Louis in Illinois, you see a lot of coaches who are the star players little league coaches on the staff. So tell me, will Kearney beat Lutheran North because they have more talent or better coaching and schemes?

It would be a combo of all. Kearney is probably deeper with Joes and X&Os.

 

[J. Kane]

 

[Veer_left]

I take D-1 talent with a grain of rice. Only reason most are D-1 os because they are by major cities. Cant tell me ....several from sw mo were not good enough for d-1. They dont get the big city hype.

 

[J. Kane]

I take D-1 talent with a grain of rice. Only reason most are D-1 os because they are by major cities. Cant tell me ....several from sw mo were not good enough for d-1. They dont get the big city hype.

 

[The Last Black Man In Missouri]

Can someone please explain the dismantling of Kirkwood last saturday in NIxa? Was that on the Kirkwood coaches? Asking for a friend! Thanks!!

 

[J. Kane]

Can someone please explain the dismantling of Kirkwood last saturday in NIxa? Was that on the Kirkwood coaches? Asking for a friend! Thanks!!

 

[Cardinalalumni]

Can someone please explain the dismantling of Kirkwood last saturday in NIxa? Was that on the Kirkwood coaches? Asking for a friend! Thanks!!

They were flat bigger and stronger that kirkwood up front on both sides of the ball and a pick 6 will usually be hard to overcome teams who get a defensive score tend to win the ball game...

 

[Veer_left]

Oh well.....u put me in my place huh.....lol

 

[J. Kane]

Oh well.....u put me in my place huh.....lol

 

[Veer_left]

Great movie.

 

[BPcompete]

To the OP.

Are we sure STL has better athletes than KC?

Are we sure Kearney and other schools similar are that much stronger than the STL schools?

Just asking because I know we hype up how crazy Kearney is in the WT room but I do wonder if those boys over at LN are comparable in strength.

LN Bullied them boys. Blown off the ball all game.

 

[BPcompete]

It would be a combo of all. Kearney is probably deeper with Joes and X&Os.

LOL

 

[wahoolives]

Can someone please explain the dismantling of Kirkwood last saturday in NIxa? Was that on the Kirkwood coaches? Asking for a friend! Thanks!

I was at the game, and while not an expert on the x's and o's of football like a lot of people on this board neither team could stop the other Nixa just so much bigger on the offensive line they just ran the ball QB and RB weren't stopped all day, think they gained positive yardage on all but 3 rushing plays 2 of which were mishandled snaps they fell on. Nixa couldn't stop Kirkwood's passing game and if it wasn't for the pick 6 right before the half it would have been down to the end back and forth. The pick 6 combined with NIxa taking 8 minutes off the clock to start the 3rd quarter even though they didn't score due to getting behind the chains from a holding penalty put Kirkwood in a huge hole that was to much to overcome. Seemed like the Kirkwood QB had been hit a couple times and rushed the throw just a bit on the pick 6, but he was very good all day and Nixa couldn't cover Kirkwood's receivers. Side note was impressed with #4 for Kirkwood getting injured and coming back in the game to make some huge plays. I don't know what else Kirkwood could have tried from a coaching standpoint as they weren't going to get bigger or stronger during the game. They had a stacked box and 1 on 1 on the receivers most of the game Nixa just overpowered them. From someone who really didn't care about the outcome was very entertaining game with the two contrasting styles.

 

[The Last Black Man In Missouri]

I was at the game, and while not an expert on the x's and o's of football like a lot of people on this board neither team could stop the other Nixa just so much bigger on the offensive line they just ran the ball QB and RB weren't stopped all day, think they gained positive yardage on all but 3 rushing plays 2 of which were mishandled snaps they fell on. Nixa couldn't stop Kirkwood's passing game and if it wasn't for the pick 6 right before the half it would have been down to the end back and forth. The pick 6 combined with NIxa taking 8 minutes off the clock to start the 3rd quarter even though they didn't score due to getting behind the chains from a holding penalty put Kirkwood in a huge hole that was to much to overcome. Seemed like the Kirkwood QB had been hit a couple times and rushed the throw just a bit on the pick 6, but he was very good all day and Nixa couldn't cover Kirkwood's receivers. Side note was impressed with #4 for Kirkwood getting injured and coming back in the game to make some huge plays. I don't know what else Kirkwood could have tried from a coaching standpoint as they weren't going to get bigger or stronger during the game. They had a stacked box and 1 on 1 on the receivers most of the game Nixa just overpowered them. From someone who really didn't care about the outcome was very entertaining game with the two contrasting styles.

When Nixa was on defense, the CBs were getting toasted most of the game and It didn't matter if the passes were inside or outside the shoulders of the WRs. Robinson Jr. (K) reminded me of Randy Moss a little bit. He made fantastic catches when he could. I felt like the QB kept tipping his hand with the direct stares where he was going to pass the ball.

 

[Saints-1-fan]

After watching the defending State Champion Cardinal Ritter lose to Lafayette, it caused me to look at recent all star teams from St. Louis losing in the playoffs. Last year Lutheran North lost to Hillsboro in which it was evident the young staff at Lutheran North was outcoached. What I am seeing is that even though you have superior talent, it does not translate into State Titles because you always run into a team who is better prepared than you. It seems that the older staffs and the staffs from outside the STL area take the X's and O's more serious and that is why we see these big upsets. Looking for other opinions, but how can a team loaded with D1 prospects lose to teams that may not have any? Really looking to others opinions on this topic, how much does Coaching have to do with a team winning in the playoffs?

Another factor with coaching to consider that was hinted in several post here , D1 vs Teams . Lamar has played several of these D1 teams and I'm sure the D1's chuckled when lining up with Lamar players , looking them over. As the game goes on it appears teams that has played together sweating maybe losing a few games together, BUT playing together picking each other up as a TEAM has always worked well for them !

 

[Saints-1-fan]

Ok my internet sucks so bad ,post timed out while typing then double posts can't be deleted. Not yelling on here just yelling at my tablet