How much does Coaching have to do with STL superstar teams losing in the playoffs?

[STLFTBL]

After watching the defending State Champion Cardinal Ritter lose to Lafayette, it caused me to look at recent all star teams from St. Louis losing in the playoffs. Last year Lutheran North lost to Hillsboro in which it was evident the young staff at Lutheran North was outcoached. What I am seeing is that even though you have superior talent, it does not translate into State Titles because you always run into a team who is better prepared than you. It seems that the older staffs and the staffs from outside the STL area take the X's and O's more serious and that is why we see these big upsets. Looking for other opinions, but how can a team loaded with D1 prospects lose to teams that may not have any? Really looking to others opinions on this topic, how much does Coaching have to do with a team winning in the playoffs?

 

[TheDaddy]

Kearney coach only in his third year and whoever said there is no D1 talent on Kearney because there are plenty of them. Coaching has a lot to do with it period you can't just win with the athletes. There is more to the game than a 40 time weight room is probably the biggest difference you will see from the Kearney team. I talk to people all over the place and the one common thing they say is where did you get all those grown ass men? I tell them they are self made in the weight room.

 

[Veer2Eternity]

Kearney coach only in his third year and whoever said there is no D1 talent on Kearney because there are plenty of them. Coaching has a lot to do with it period you can't just win with the athletes. There is more to the game than a 40 time weight room is probably the biggest difference you will see from the Kearney team. I talk to people all over the place and the one common thing they say is where did you get all those grown ass men? I tell them they are self made in the weight room.

and your two most grown men moved in.

That's pretty handy

 

[TheDaddy]

and your two most grown men moved in.

That's pretty handy

It does help I will admit.

 

[NorthKansascity]

To the OP.

Are we sure STL has better athletes than KC?

Are we sure Kearney and other schools similar are that much stronger than the STL schools?

Just asking because I know we hype up how crazy Kearney is in the WT room but I do wonder if those boys over at LN are comparable in strength.

 

[thesnow.flakegazette]

To the OP.

Are we sure STL has better athletes than KC?

Are we sure Kearney and other schools similar are that much stronger than the STL schools?

Just asking because I know we hype up how crazy Kearney is in the WT room but I do wonder if those boys over at LN are comparable in strength.

P4 D1 talent, yes. After that, no.
KC has far superior coaching top to bottom.

 

[thetophat2021]

P4 D1 talent, yes. After that, no.
KC has far superior coaching top to bottom.

This metro has always been a haven for great coaching!

 

[thetophat2021]

and your two most grown men moved in.

That's pretty handy

Southeast Polk so loves it..................

 

[65TPT]

After watching the defending State Champion Cardinal Ritter lose to Lafayette, it caused me to look at recent all star teams from St. Louis losing in the playoffs. Last year Lutheran North lost to Hillsboro in which it was evident the young staff at Lutheran North was outcoached. What I am seeing is that even though you have superior talent, it does not translate into State Titles because you always run into a team who is better prepared than you. It seems that the older staffs and the staffs from outside the STL area take the X's and O's more serious and that is why we see these big upsets. Looking for other opinions, but how can a team loaded with D1 prospects lose to teams that may not have any? Really looking to others opinions on this topic, how much does Coaching have to do with a team winning in the playoffs?

I think coaching makes a huge difference. Those teams are undisciplined and not fundamentally sound. When they run into teams that are well coached and have their fair share of talent they struggle. There’s just not many teams in the state that have the talent to compete with these guys.

I do think the other thing is kids are recruited on potential more than how good they actually are. Whereas some kids don’t get the offers as others because they will never meet the height, weight, speed requirements that D1 colleges want, but they are tremendous high school football players.

 

[thetophat2021]

After watching the defending State Champion Cardinal Ritter lose to Lafayette, it caused me to look at recent all star teams from St. Louis losing in the playoffs. Last year Lutheran North lost to Hillsboro in which it was evident the young staff at Lutheran North was outcoached. What I am seeing is that even though you have superior talent, it does not translate into State Titles because you always run into a team who is better prepared than you. It seems that the older staffs and the staffs from outside the STL area take the X's and O's more serious and that is why we see these big upsets. Looking for other opinions, but how can a team loaded with D1 prospects lose to teams that may not have any? Really looking to others opinions on this topic, how much does Coaching have to do with a team winning in the playoffs?

CBC lost the prior week to Kirkwood.

 

[thetophat2021]

I think coaching makes a huge difference. Those teams are undisciplined and not fundamentally sound. When they run into teams that are well coached and have their fair share of talent they struggle. There’s just not many teams in the state that have the talent to compete with these guys.

I do think the other thing is kids are recruited on potential more than how good they actually are. Whereas some kids don’t get the offers as others because they will never meet the height, weight, speed requirements that D1 colleges want, but they are tremendous high school football players.

Go all the way back to the day Minnick hired on as Kearney HC (early 2022) I called it a home run hire. I was wrong it was a freaking grand slam and that is irregardless what happens this Saturday.

 

[Pancho and Lefty]

It seems to me some of the private/parochial schools have adopted a little league model as far as coaches who don't work in education are on the coaching staff.
Little league - the teams with the best couple of players will always win.
As you get to varsity football, it becomes obv that talent is about 75% of the equation, but the 25% coaching factor is enough for teams with above avg talent to beat teams with even better talent.

A team with 7 3 stars should not lose against inferior talent teams.

 

[NorthKansascity]

Lmao! It’s all talent. All teams.

Week after week no matter the game I watch starting defenses dominate teams near or at shutouts. Backups come in and TD instantly.

Everyone’s a genius when you got savages on the field!

 

[MOhusker12]

After watching the defending State Champion Cardinal Ritter lose to Lafayette, it caused me to look at recent all star teams from St. Louis losing in the playoffs. Last year Lutheran North lost to Hillsboro in which it was evident the young staff at Lutheran North was outcoached. What I am seeing is that even though you have superior talent, it does not translate into State Titles because you always run into a team who is better prepared than you. It seems that the older staffs and the staffs from outside the STL area take the X's and O's more serious and that is why we see these big upsets. Looking for other opinions, but how can a team loaded with D1 prospects lose to teams that may not have any? Really looking to others opinions on this topic, how much does Coaching have to do with a team winning in the playoffs?

I would say, just take a look at what a guy like Mike Leach accomplished at the Division 1 level, with what many would consider non elite talent and programs. Having great players no doubt makes every coach better, but knowing how to put kids in great situations based on your level of talent is what elite coaching does, thus the Xs and Os matter a ton.

 

[thetophat2021]

Lmao! It’s all talent. All teams.

Week after week no matter the game I watch starting defenses dominate teams near or at shutouts. Backups come in and TD instantly.

Everyone’s a genius when you got savages on the field!

Savannah didn't give you permission to post about them................

 

[Bucksnort77]

The head ball coach is obviously a critical role at every level of football. However, I think the depth of the staff at the high school level is a massive differentiator. You can have the best HC of all time, but if he's handed a crew of inexperienced and/or less than motivated assistants, the team will be limited. The HC has some say in who is on his staff, of course, but not to the level that college/NFL head coaches have. If a high school HC has coordinators and position coaches who understand and appreciate the details of film study and teaching, then your odds of having a great team is high.

 

[STLFTBL]

So is it safe to say that the reason the Private Schools from STL who actively seek out athletes lose because they have a bunch of Little League coaches? When you say that and I look at the staffs of schools like Lutheran N, Cardinal Ritter and even East St. Louis in Illinois, you see a lot of coaches who are the star players little league coaches on the staff. So tell me, will Kearney beat Lutheran North because they have more talent or better coaching and schemes?

 

[The Last Black Man In Missouri]

I think coaching makes a huge difference. Those teams are undisciplined and not fundamentally sound. When they run into teams that are well coached and have their fair share of talent they struggle. There’s just not many teams in the state that have the talent to compete with these guys.

I do think the other thing is kids are recruited on potential more than how good they actually are. Whereas some kids don’t get the offers as others because they will never meet the height, weight, speed requirements that D1 colleges want, but they are tremendous high school football players.

Considering all the levels from D1 down (D2,D3, ect) does provide opportunities for people who put in the work to participate. While not every athlete can get that D1 opportunity- each person participating in their respective disciplines can make positive impacts, contribute to the team and grow from it.

 

[thesnow.flakegazette]

Lmao! It’s all talent. All teams.

Week after week no matter the game I watch starting defenses dominate teams near or at shutouts. Backups come in and TD instantly.

Everyone’s a genius when you got savages on the field!

This is a horrible example 🤣🤣🤣

 

[thesnow.flakegazette]

So is it safe to say that the reason the Private Schools from STL who actively seek out athletes lose because they have a bunch of Little League coaches? When you say that and I look at the staffs of schools like Lutheran N, Cardinal Ritter and even East St. Louis in Illinois, you see a lot of coaches who are the star players little league coaches on the staff. So tell me, will Kearney beat Lutheran North because they have more talent or better coaching and schemes?

It would be a combo of all. Kearney is probably deeper with Joes and X&Os.