How is this kid Eligible to play?
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Isn’t this what you wanted when you started this thread on the topic? To vent and be up in arms because you interpreted the eligibility rules differently than MSHSAA and you were pissed that a kid could play?
You have all these catholic and private schools doing all this recruiting. There has to be some kids who turned them down or became disgruntled with a school who are willing to document to mshsaa that these schools did something wrong. Since its so obvious. How the hell do these schools keep there doors open giving away all this free money. Talking about free money, Don't public schools get free money from these private school kids? Just curious.
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Good point. The conspiracy must be greater than any of us has imagined. I’m guessing it’s The Illuminati or maybe inter dimensional beings from The Upside Down that are using mind control to dupe MSHSAA into ignoring the obvious. The truth is hidden in plain sight! I bet the proof is hidden at The North Pole. That’s why The United Nations was created, after all. Along with keeping people from the truth that Earth is flat and has a dome over it.
Yeah ok. Keep living your pipe dream buddy. There are plenty of empty apartments that are being leased out that no one lives in. Public school recruit just as much as private schools. If you say or claim otherwise you an idiot.
Wow what an educational response. That’s the best you could come up this. Are you arrogant, stupid or both?
You insult me by calling names. And are acting like the very things you are saying to me. Yes you lack all self awareness.
We only have ourselves to blame for this. About 10-12 years ago, we all voted on having separate private - public playoffs/championships, but for some reason, we voted to keep them together. Sure, MSHSAA put some multiplier on the private schools that was supposed to level the playing field, but it obviously doesn't.
There are really only 2 options: allow public schools to do the same thing so that schools like Monroe City and Marceline can scout kids from the Midwest and offer them "scholarships" to attend their schools just like the private schools do, or have separate postseasons for private & public. Continuing the status quo only gives private schools the advantage.
There are really only 2 options: allow public schools to do the same thing so that schools like Monroe City and Marceline can scout kids from the Midwest and offer them "scholarships" to attend their schools just like the private schools do, or have separate postseasons for private & public. Continuing the status quo only gives private schools the advantage.
Thank you first educated response on this topic yet. The seperate leagues sound wonderful.
Why are you arguing with a troll on the internet? Army? Shouldn’t you be above that? Not trying to start something. But it’s kinda pathetic. Just saying. The troll is going to troll less if you don’t respond.
Actually it's spelled Doofus, Captain Thought Process.
FistOH and that Army guy argued with that troll for over a day. Kinda crazy.
Did anyone downstate flip tables when Alex Huston moved from Ohio and followed his Coach Mauk to Glendale to play football? You’d think it’d cause a stir for a kid that throws for 500 yds/game to transfer in for “athletic reasons”.
From the MSHSAA handbook
c. Exception 3 - Transfer from a Non-Member School: A student is eligible upon his/her first transfer from a Missouri non-member or an Affiliate Registered School, as long as the student has been enrolled there for at least two consecutive semesters, to a MSHSAA member school where he/she meets the Residence Standards contained in By-Law 3.10.2 provided the transfer does not involve undue influence and is not for athletic reasons. Students transferring to a member school from an out-of-state school or an international school may not utilize this transfer exception.
Please experts interpret this for me.
None of these pro private school people WANT to understand the issues. They just want to tell us we are wrong. That’s why I’m not getting involved.
A school simply stating that they feel a transfer was for athletic reasons is enough to require an appeal. IN that appeal, multiple reasons (with corresponding documentation) are what is required to be awarded an exception and immediate eligibility. I know because that’s what WE did when my kid transferred, and he was granted an exception. I don’t want you to change your mind. I’m entertained when you guys get upset and rail about how it’s cheating and a conspiracy and that MSHSAA is corrrupt and impotent. It’s easier for you (and funnier for me) when you don’t understand how MSHSAA interprets the rules and you get pissy. Keep believing that public schools don’t get transfers, too. It’s even MORE hilarious.
Since you ignored the question about Alex Huston, I’m just gonna take that to mean you believe he followed his coach across 3 states to Gkendale and him setting National passing records was just a coincidence.
The issues are that you don’t like private schools and you think it’s unfair to public schools. I’M not telling you you’re wrong ... MSHSAA is, because they obviously don’t agree with you.
I understand it happens at both Public and private schools to a degree.
But what is happening at Trinity, Cardinal Ritter, LN is collusion. When you have multiple high ranking high school kids go to same school to try to win a championship. (Hasn't worked yet) While the Trinity coach admitted bringing the group of kids to his school not sure about the other schools involvement whether it was school recruiting or the kids/parents got together. But either way its collusion.
And yes I know about any kid can transfer because of the "I feel unsafe at my current school" rule to get around the year of ineligibility.
But what is happening at Trinity, Cardinal Ritter, LN is collusion. When you have multiple high ranking high school kids go to same school to try to win a championship. (Hasn't worked yet) While the Trinity coach admitted bringing the group of kids to his school not sure about the other schools involvement whether it was school recruiting or the kids/parents got together. But either way its collusion.
And yes I know about any kid can transfer because of the "I feel unsafe at my current school" rule to get around the year of ineligibility.
Obviously, either MSHSAA doesn’t agree with how you’ve interpreted the rules or there’s information that you simply don’t have access to. I’m inclined to think it’s both. There are plenty of reasons MSHSAA grants exceptions outside of the “safety” exception. You are free to believe what you want, but I’m telling you that it isn’t against MSHSAA’s rules for incoming freshmen to enroll at ANY school for ANY reason. Yes, even because their age group coach is at the high school and all of the parents decide to send their kids there. Not liking that it happens, not liking the school or coach or kids or any of that makes it illegal. It just means you don’t like it.
That’s not good enough. Our country once thought segregation was cool. Blacks didn’t have to like it, but it was rule. Argument sound familiar? I know extreme. But my point is similar. You don’t have to think too hard to see the point being made. They may be the end all to how this plays out. But it doesn’t make it right. I think most people’s energy spent on this topic who don’t like this rule, simply want private schools to not be able to do it. I like private schools without these rules. Just in the idea? I’d would have liked to send my kids to a private school. But they shouldn’t get special treatment. That’s all anyone is saying.
Okay. Racial discrimination is an extreme comparison (but you already know that). How are private schools supposed to find kids then? Private schools don’t have districts that lock kids into going to a specific high school. What would you propose for them? The point you and the other guys still refuse to acknowledge the existence of is the fact that public school coaches DO recruit kids. Especially districts that have multiple high schools within their municipality. A huge deal is made about private schools being able to enroll kids within a 25 mile radius but, if their advantages were so significant, why do public schools dominate State Championships so thoroughly?
Well how about having open enrollment for public schools state wide? Just put everyone on the same playing field. Or maybe make private schools play with 9 versus 11..to even the recruiting playing field. All public school fans want is the same rules for everyone they compete against. I mean College teams don't compete against high schools right? Jeez Trinity has more Division 1 kids in a year than most C2 conference's in the state has in 50 years. And in reality placing that many Division 1 players on a squad every year is a Danger to many rural C2 teams.
Yes they have different rules than public schools they can recruit and don't have a district boundary to adhere to. Not all private schools are dirty and recruit like crazy but enough do that it tips the scales and gives them a decided advantage. It would be like if Only a few college teams could recruit nation wide and the rest could only recruit in state. Would that be fair?
If Mizzou could recruit the whole world and Ark. only could sign young adults from Ark. don't you think that would be a huge unfair advantage for Mizzou?
True some programs and communities are more driven to win, but the issue is that private schools have a competitive advantage over public schools base on the fact that they can recruit a wide area and that the transfer rules are looser and favor them. This would be like making a Welter weight boxer compete in the Heavy weight division...and then you saying in life there is no competitive balance. Heck if that's the case why not just go to one single class for the whole state. The reason we have classes, weight division's etc. is to create competitive balance.
You seem to be on the side of allowing some schools and programs to have their own set of rules that others cannot follow and thus giving them advantage. How would you feel if that applied to SAT/ACT and all public school students got a 10 point jump and score and all colleges had to base admissions on those scores! Might be harder for private school kids to get in.
Lol. The same people who want to split state championships, are the aame people who think Mshsaa is corrupt by not enforcing the rules against private schools. And the kicker is, those same people who think Mshsaa is corrupt, want Mshsaa to govern their new seperate championship.
How about this. Make two state championships. One for the publuc schools who constantly whine about this and think lifes unfair. And the second one for all schools private and public who believe in the current system.
I actually think these people think Mshsaa is part of the public school system and they are doing the private schools a favor by allowing them to participate
How about this. Make two state championships. One for the publuc schools who constantly whine about this and think lifes unfair. And the second one for all schools private and public who believe in the current system.
I actually think these people think Mshsaa is part of the public school system and they are doing the private schools a favor by allowing them to participate
No, I did not say that, but good question. The current system attempts to create a competitive balance based on enrollment numbers. By virtue of math, a school that has 600 males to choose from, theoretically, has a competitive advantage over 400. The question is why are we counting females? Or more importantly, why aren't we counting the number of kids participating in football for each team as the standard for creating classifications? Why? Because that would be insane! Yet we have coaches advocating for justice when transfers occur. What about the transfers that happen every season by virtue of relocation. It's not fair that families choose to move their sons to some schools over other schools because it maybe a better school district.
This is a valid argument. It's not clear that the rule for transferring to a private school can be universally interpreted in one way for public or private. If there is question in the eligibility to be made beyond the scope of existing rules, each case is considered on an individual basis with circumstances unique to each transfer.
I know of an exceptional Division I athlete that transferred to his 3rd school in 4 years. He sat out of a portion of 17 football season. He transferred to his current school last spring. The initial ruling deemed him ineligible. However, after the MSHSAA investigated motives of mitigating circumstances they deviated from their initial decision and declared him eligible. This is what they do. It's not clear that there's any better system that can be instituted. Everyone on this board has a opinion, but there are very few feasible arguments that warrant radical change.
Classifications are determined on student enrollment population. Rather than crunch an endless number of subset variables, such as number of boys available, talent of each player, median income, frequency of transfers, state titles, free and reduced lunch, facilities, tradition, past success or failure and on and on, the fairest solution is already in place and it's the most expedient for people that don't think the educational world revolves around a bunch of clueless teenagers that may or may not choose to show up for practice and and decide from day to day whether it's worth the commitment to play a football game!
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A couple of simple solutions...no transfer rules period for any school public or private MSHSAA get's out of that business just let kids go where they want anytime the want. Or just let Private schools fund and run their own Sports organization and leave MSHSAA and then MSHSAA could focus resources on finding cheater among the public schools.
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