Here is the problem

[Toots_mcgee]

I saw some interviews today of people who attended Trump’s rally in Georgia.

These people believe whole heartedly that the 2020 election was stolen, there were shenanigans all across the country and that Trump has proof of it.

Millions of people are convinced of this.
They aren’t going to trust the outcome if he loses in 2024. He has personally damaged this country more than any government official ever.

Reminder: he paid a company $750,000 to investigate and find the fraud for him. And they found zilch.

The Trump campaign paid an expert $750,000 to find fraud in the 2020 election, only for him to dismiss their complaints in minutes

Despite the massive payday, software engineer Ken Block told BI he disproved many of the fraud claims in minutes.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[Pancho and Lefty]

I used to scoff at the whole Trump and cult comparison; but man it makes you wonder. Can't imagine our country and this is the two choices.

I thought about this last night. If a teacher said "I just start kissing them, and grab em by the ------", would they keep their job? I know, locker room talk, but dang.

 

[bullitpdq68]

I used to scoff at the whole Trump and cult comparison; but man it makes you wonder. Can't imagine our country and this is the two choices.

I thought about this last night. If a teacher said "I just start kissing them, and grab em by the ------", would they keep their job? I know, locker room talk, but dang.

It's one thing to do acknowledge and admit a mistake. The thing about Trump is he never admits he has errored or is wrong. How can one person be so perfect, not only in his eyes but the eyes of those who support him. He will never admit he lost the election just like he never admits he has been bankrupt. His image is built on being successful and winning.

 

[blindedbythelight]

It's one thing to do acknowledge and admit a mistake. The thing about Trump is he never admits he has errored or is wrong. How can one person be so perfect, not only in his eyes but the eyes of those who support him. He will never admit he lost the election just like he never admits he has been bankrupt. His image is built on being successful and winning.

I dont think Donald Trump has ever been bankrupt. There were Hotel/Casino properties in Atlantic City that the Trump organization owned that filed for bankruptcy, but I am pretty sure Trump has never personally went bankrupt has he??

 

[HomeyR]

It's one thing to do acknowledge and admit a mistake. The thing about Trump is he never admits he has errored or is wrong. How can one person be so perfect, not only in his eyes but the eyes of those who support him. He will never admit he lost the election just like he never admits he has been bankrupt. His image is built on being successful and winning.

...and his supporters who believe that crap..?

 

[bullitpdq68]

I dont think Donald Trump has ever been bankrupt. There were Hotel/Casino properties in Atlantic City that the Trump organization owned that filed for bankruptcy, but I am pretty sure Trump has never personally went bankrupt has he??

If you are incharge that is on you no matter how you want spin it.

 

[blindedbythelight]

If you are incharge that is on you no matter how you want spin it.

Not spin that pretty much fact. Donald Trump has NEVER declared bankruptcy. Happens in business all the time I think damn near every casino property in Atlantic City went bankrupt back in that period.

Trump has accomplished more in his lifetime than any other president past or present by a long shot.

What other President ( or person for that matter)

Has made himself a multi billionaire
Has had a top rated TV show for 14 years
Has been elected President of the United States

cant think of a single soul

 

[Toots_mcgee]

It doesn’t happen six times to the same man “all the time”. He uses it as a strategy. Screw vendors and small contractors and limit your own liabilities. It’s just how immoral the POS is.

If he had taken the money his dad bailed him out with and simply invested in an S&P 500 index mutual fund he would be richer today than he is now without having hosed thousands of people.

 

[blindedbythelight]

It doesn’t happen six times to the same man “all the time”. He uses it as a strategy. Screw vendors and small contractors and limit your own liabilities. It’s just how immoral the POS is.

If he had taken the money his dad bailed him out with and simply invested in an S&P 500 index mutual fund he would be richer today than he is now without having hosed thousands of people.

LOL.....................limiting your liabilities to creditors is kind of the whole idea of going bankrupt isnt it??

Honestly I think the entire concept is stupid, I dont think any individual or corporation should be able to wipe out any debt through the process

 

[Expect2Win]

Donald Trump bluffed his way out of bankruptcy in the 90s — will this come back to haunt him during NY fraud trial?

“All of the fraud trial rings true,” a lender who helped save Trump in the 90s told The Post, saying the former President certainly had a pattern of exaggerating his net worth.

nypost.com

Old clip of Ivanka Trump recalls dad Donald Trump calling out homeless person's debt

Samantha Bee on Wednesday aired old footage of Ivanka Trump recalling how Donald Trump once used a homeless person to illustrate the high amount of debt he had.

finance.yahoo.com

Donald Trump On The Lowest Point In His Career

www.businessinsider.com

 

[bullitpdq68]

Not spin that pretty much fact. Donald Trump has NEVER declared bankruptcy. Happens in business all the time I think damn near every casino property in Atlantic City went bankrupt back in that period.

Trump has accomplished more in his lifetime than any other president past or present by a long shot.

What other President ( or person for that matter)

Has made himself a multi billionaire
Has had a top rated TV show for 14 years
Has been elected President of the United States

cant think of a single soul

LOL spin how you want they were companies owned by Donald Trump.

1. 1991: Trump’s Taj Mahal
2. 1992: First of two Atlantic City casinos owned by Donald Trump.
3. 1992: Second of two Atlantic City casinos owned by Donald Trump.
4. 1992: Trump’s Plaza Hotel in New York City
5. 2004: Trump’s Hotels and Casinos Resorts
6. 2009: Trump’s Entertainment Resorts

 

[Pancho and Lefty]

It's one thing to do acknowledge and admit a mistake. The thing about Trump is he never admits he has errored or is wrong. How can one person be so perfect, not only in his eyes but the eyes of those who support him. He will never admit he lost the election just like he never admits he has been bankrupt. His image is built on being successful and winning.

I'm of the belief if he would have just kept his mouth shut at some point during the last yr and a half of his presidency, he would have been re elected, probably in a landslide. At some point the mouth turned off just enough of the more traditional conservatives and they voted Biden or 3rd party.

 

[Pancho and Lefty]

It doesn’t happen six times to the same man “all the time”. He uses it as a strategy. Screw vendors and small contractors and limit your own liabilities. It’s just how immoral the POS is.

If he had taken the money his dad bailed him out with and simply invested in an S&P 500 index mutual fund he would be richer today than he is now without having hosed thousands of people.

There are several stories out there about small businesses who won contracts on different projects of his who were never paid and those people lost everything.

 

[bullitpdq68]

I'm of the belief if he would have just kept his mouth shut at some point during the last yr and a half of his presidency, he would have been re elected, probably in a landslide. At some point the mouth turned off just enough of the more traditional conservatives and they voted Biden or 3rd party.

I think the bigger issue was Jan 6th, I think if he would have acknowledge he lost and we had a peaceful transfer of power. Then later launched his campaign for 2024 I think he would be heading to a second term. Inflation is killing Joe, and to fight the inflation the Fed is raising interest rates, so people are not happy when they by food, and people are not happy when they go to make a big purchase which really is never good for an incumbent.

I also think if Nikki Haley was the Republican nominee for president this would be a cake walk for the Pubs.

 

[HomeyR]

I'm of the belief if he would have just kept his mouth shut at some point during the last yr and a half of his presidency, he would have been re elected, probably in a landslide. At some point the mouth turned off just enough of the more traditional conservatives and they voted Biden or 3rd party.

A sociopathic narcissist is not capable of doing that...

 

[HomeyR]

I think the bigger issue was Jan 6th, I think if he would have acknowledge he lost and we had a peaceful transfer of power. Then later launched his campaign for 2024 I think he would be heading to a second term. Inflation is killing Joe, and to fight the inflation the Fed is raising interest rates, so people are not happy when they by food, and people are not happy when they go to make a big purchase which really is never good for an incumbent.

I also think if Nikki Haley was the Republican nominee for president this would be a cake walk for the Pubs.

If it was Nick Haley, I'd agree with you...

 

[Pancho and Lefty]

I think the bigger issue was Jan 6th, I think if he would have acknowledge he lost and we had a peaceful transfer of power. Then later launched his campaign for 2024 I think he would be heading to a second term. Inflation is killing Joe, and to fight the inflation the Fed is raising interest rates, so people are not happy when they by food, and people are not happy when they go to make a big purchase which really is never good for an incumbent.

I also think if Nikki Haley was the Republican nominee for president this would be a cake walk for the Pubs.

If he would have just shut up the last year and a half of his 1st term, Jan 6 would have just been another day. Very surprising how the R's have all rolled over and just let him completely take over the party. I like Haley, well spoken, willing to compromise some, little more to the center of conservatism, no drama or nonsense.

I wonder what would happen in the next 8 months if Trump got a terminal illness or died? Would Haley be the nomination since she stuck around the longest? Assume not but make you wonder.....

 

[Expect2Win]

I wonder what would happen in the next 8 months if Trump got a terminal illness or died? Would Haley be the nomination since she stuck around the longest? Assume not but make you wonder.....

I think that was her intent, but she couldn't hang on.
Who would be a replacement?

 

[bullitpdq68]

If it was Nick Haley, I'd agree with you...

have no clue who that is...

 

[HomeyR]

have no clue who that is...a woman w

A male version of Nikki... can a woman be elected president in today's political climate ?

 

[Pancho and Lefty]

A male version of Nikki... can a woman be elected president in today's political climate ?

I would think if either party would have ran a late 40's - mid 50's combo of male and female, moderately centered, fiscally conservative and a little more liberal socially, they would have won with a slam dunk. How either party couldn't come up with something to that effect is mind blowing to me.

 

[bullitpdq68]

I would think if either party would have ran a late 40's - mid 50's combo of male and female, moderately centered, fiscally conservative and a little more liberal socially, they would have won with a slam dunk. How either party couldn't come up with something to that effect is mind blowing to me.

Well right now both parties are very tribal, no way is either party going to nominate a moderate much less win a primary. Joe is probable more moderate than Trump, but the man is so far past his prime, he needs to be eating oatmeal in a old folks home.
For those of us who are true moderates and like to see bipartisanship and the government actually function and earn their money there is nobody out there for us. What we get to witness today is horrible. 20 years ago most of these people never get elected. I thought the Dems had started electing some real crazies, but now you never hear about them it's the Greene's and Boebert's who take up the news and not for actually doing any good, sometimes for what they rubbing down in a theater.... terrible for sure.

 

[Toots_mcgee]

What is a moderate? Can you be 100% in favor of women making their own reproductive choices and still be considered a moderate?

Can you believe in a minimum universal health care system for all with the rich still having access to superior care and still be considered a moderate?

 

[blindedbythelight]

What is a moderate? Can you be 100% in favor of women making their own reproductive choices and still be considered a moderate?

Can you believe in a minimum universal health care system for all with the rich still having access to superior care and still be considered a moderate?

Unless its a matter of rape, women have 100% control of their reproductive choices dont they??

We already have a minimum universal healthcare system. DO you know of any person who has walked into an emergency room of a hospital an been refused treatment??

 

[Pancho and Lefty]

Well right now both parties are very tribal, no way is either party going to nominate a moderate much less win a primary. Joe is probable more moderate than Trump, but the man is so far past his prime, he needs to be eating oatmeal in a old folks home.
For those of us who are true moderates and like to see bipartisanship and the government actually function and earn their money there is nobody out there for us. What we get to witness today is horrible. 20 years ago most of these people never get elected. I thought the Dems had started electing some real crazies, but now you never hear about them it's the Greene's and Boebert's who take up the news and not for actually doing any good, sometimes for what they rubbing down in a theater.... terrible for sure.

Absolutely true in the middle doesn't really have a party right now. Unreal how the AOC, Bush, Gaetz, MTG types grab all the headlines for doing nothing but running their mouths.

 

[Toots_mcgee]

The emergency room is not a health care system.

 

[Pancho and Lefty]

What is a moderate? Can you be 100% in favor of women making their own reproductive choices and still be considered a moderate?

Can you believe in a minimum universal health care system for all with the rich still having access to superior care and still be considered a moderate?

You have illuded to the problem in there is no compromise now. If you compromise, you are a RINO who will struggle to get re elected. Cheney, Manchin, etc are the outcasts now. Crazy

Another sign of the times - I follow some pages on Facebook. In the last yr they have turned into essentially nothing but memes about how old Biden is, Hunter with his problems, Russian money etc.

 

[r14veer]

I would think if either party would have ran a late 40's - mid 50's combo of male and female, moderately centered, fiscally conservative and a little more liberal socially, they would have won with a slam dunk. How either party couldn't come up with something to that effect is mind blowing to me.

Both parties have the people for it, but the Boomers are hanging on with a death grip (no offense to any Boomers here, of course).

 

[r14veer]

Unless its a matter of rape, women have 100% control of their reproductive choices dont they??

We already have a minimum universal healthcare system. DO you know of any person who has walked into an emergency room of a hospital an been refused treatment??

I thought you guys didn't want to live under Shari'a law. My bad.

 

[blindedbythelight]

The emergency room is not a health care system.

nothing stops anyone from making an appointment and seeing a doctor

 

[Toots_mcgee]

nothing stops anyone from making an appointment and seeing a doctor

Except the cost of the appointment, tests, drugs, etc. what world do you live in?

Prior to the Dems making insulin $35/month for Medicare patients, there were some people having to decide whether to eat or buy medicine.

 

[bullitpdq68]

Both parties have the people for it, but the Boomers are hanging on with a death grip (no offense to any Boomers here, of course).

 

[bullitpdq68]

You have illuded to the problem in there is no compromise now. If you compromise, you are a RINO who will struggle to get re elected. Cheney, Manchin, etc are the outcasts now. Crazy

Another sign of the times - I follow some pages on Facebook. In the last yr they have turned into essentially nothing but memes about how old Biden is, Hunter with his problems, Russian money etc.

Don't even talk politics on facebook... you might have a Trumper doing a drive by, those guys are complete idiots.

 

[Toots_mcgee]

They won’t accept the truth. You can show them video of him saying something and they will still claim he didn’t say it, or that he was joking or that he actually meant something else.

It started during his presidency. If you read the actual mueller report. The Trump campaign met many times with Russians.

Collusion means working together. There was collusion.

Yet, to this day because of the way Barr handled it and Trump saying over and over “NO COLLUSION”, people still think it never happened.

 

[bullitpdq68]

What is a moderate? Can you be 100% in favor of women making their own reproductive choices and still be considered a moderate?

Can you believe in a minimum universal health care system for all with the rich still having access to superior care and still be considered a moderate?

What you are listing is liberal ideas, meaning a woman can at 9 months decide to term a perfectly healthy baby?

What you are asking for is everyone gets healthcare, even those who might have drank and smoked themselves out of healthcare and continue todo.

So no what you are listing is not a Moderate, but a Moderate wants to find a decent solution a common sense solution.

 

[Toots_mcgee]

What you are listing is liberal ideas, meaning a woman can at 9 months decide to term a perfectly healthy baby?

What you are asking for is everyone gets healthcare, even those who might have drank and smoked themselves out of healthcare and continue todo.

So no what you are listing is not a Moderate, but a Moderate wants to find a decent solution a common sense solution.

I know of literally no one who has proposed for women to abort healthy fetuses during the third trimester unless the mother’s life is in danger. What does it take on that issue to be considered moderate in your eyes?

 

[bullitpdq68]

I know of literally no one who has proposed for women to abort healthy fetuses during the third trimester unless the mother’s life is in danger. What does it take on that issue to be considered moderate in your eyes?

I do not know, I have not walked in the shoes of those who are making the choice, and honestly I don't want to be the one that has to say what is right or wrong for them I know what I might tell them and how I feel but I don't know if that is right for them or the unborn child. I hope I would know what would be right for me but I honestly don't know. They have to live with their decision not me, we all make decisions in our life that are between us and God nobody else.

God forgives all if you ask, so who is to say....

 

[Toots_mcgee]

Well I can’t make a moderate proposal unless you give me an idea what moderate means.

I agree that smokers should have to pay more for their health coverage, but there are some who are genetically predisposed to be heavy or unhealthy and some people blame them for this and don’t want them to be covered by a universal health care plan.

I don’t think having a basic health care plan that covers everyone is an extreme position.
Every industrialized country in the world has one, except the USA. But the GOP goes ape shet and treats that concept as some radical agenda. I’m not sure there can be a compromise on a lot of these topics.

 

[Veer2Eternity]

Well I can’t make a moderate proposal unless you give me an idea what moderate means.

I agree that smokers should have to pay more for their health coverage, but there are some who are genetically predisposed to be heavy or unhealthy and some people blame them for this and don’t want them to be covered by a universal health care plan.

I don’t think having a basic health care plan that covers everyone is an extreme position.
Every industrialized country in the world has one, except the USA. But the GOP goes ape shet and treats that concept as some radical agenda. I’m not sure there can be a compromise on a lot of these topics.

The crazy part is our health care cost MUCH more than any other nation and we get much worse care.

A conservative would see this and adapt to the reality.

Repubs are owned by big pharma and such...See: Medicare Part D.

No way no how do they want any change to the status quo even though it's bankrupting our nation.

 

[HomeyR]

The crazy part is our health care cost MUCH more than any other nation and we get much worse care.

A conservative would see this and adapt to the reality.

Repubs are owned by big pharma and such...See: Medicare Part D.

No way no how do they want any change to the status quo even though it's bankrupting our nation.

Spot on... 👍