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Get rid of conferences..

MoSooner69

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Would really love to see the state do away with Conferences in Football. Go with 8 team districts. You play everyone in your district and get to schedule 3 additional games. Top 4 make the playoffs and then you cross bracket for playoff matchups. You dont have as many automatic rematches and you have a much better chance and getting the best teams playing each other later in the playoffs.
 
Would really love to see the state do away with Conferences in Football. Go with 8 team districts. You play everyone in your district and get to schedule 3 additional games. Top 4 make the playoffs and then you cross bracket for playoff matchups. You dont have as many automatic rematches and you have a much better chance and getting the best teams playing each other later in the playoffs.
Does the state even recognize conferences? Each team is already free to schedule whoever they want. Some just choose to have a conference affiliation.
 
Conferences serve a very important purpose, gives some teams a reason to claim success, when in fact they haven't won anything!
 
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State Association has nothing to do with conferences. Conferences provide local rivalries, athlete recognition, team recognition. With the ever changing classifications schools moving up and down yearly it would be nearly impossible to schedule only district opponents. MSHSAA doesn't get districts out until after practices has started.
 
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State Association has nothing to do with conferences. Conferences provide local rivalries, athlete recognition, team recognition. With the ever changing classifications schools moving up and down yearly it would be nearly impossible to schedule only district opponents. MSHSAA doesn't get districts out until after practices has started.
Also schools join conferences to save the overworked AD's time and hassle in scheduling. Those people have it tough enough without having to schedule games.
 
Would really love to see the state do away with Conferences in Football. Go with 8 team districts. You play everyone in your district and get to schedule 3 additional games. Top 4 make the playoffs and then you cross bracket for playoff matchups. You dont have as many automatic rematches and you have a much better chance and getting the best teams playing each other later in the playoffs.
Not if they are all in the same district. I could see Lutheran North, St. Mary's and Cardinal Ritter all being in the same district if that were the case.
 
Conferences serve a very important purpose, gives some teams a reason to claim success, when in fact they haven't won anything!

LOL...maybe if your conference sucks. Try winning the KC Suburban Gold with three teams in the top 9 in the state. And two in the final four in Class 6.
 
LOL...maybe if your conference sucks. Try winning the KC Suburban Gold with three teams in the top 9 in the state. And two in the final four in Class 6.
Dude.... That Gold Bracket did suck besides those 3 teams.. They are just like any other conference.
 
Horrible idea. 8 team districts that make up the entire season is a very dumb idea.
Talk about suck. Many districts suck way worse than conferences. You would force teams to have to play smaller schools than they usually do in their conference, in some cases.
 
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State Association has nothing to do with conferences. Conferences provide local rivalries, athlete recognition, team recognition. With the ever changing classifications schools moving up and down yearly it would be nearly impossible to schedule only district opponents. MSHSAA doesn't get districts out until after practices has started.
Not quite accurate. There have been instances where MSHSAA tries to step in and strong arm conferences into taking schools that the conference may not necessarily want. Maybe to make it easier on AD's? I don't know for sure, but make no mistake the association definitely puts their nose where it doesn't belong at times when it comes to conference alignments.
 
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Not quite accurate. There have been instances where MSHSAA tries to step in and strong arm conferences into taking schools that the conference may not necessarily want. Maybe to make it easier on AD's? I don't know for sure, but make no mistake the association definitely puts their nose where it doesn't belong at times when it comes to conference alignments.
Just like how you put your nose where it doesnt belong! In Doc Guy business!
 
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I remember talking about this topic for YEARS...before I was in the old folks home.

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Examples of why it would be bad. A couple of seasons ago East Newton and Sarcoxie were in a district with California and Versailles. Why should those two play play those two during the regular season? This year Maryville is in a district with Clark County and Palmyra. Why should those be regular season games? I'm sure there is plenty of others. This just playing schools in your own class has always been a silly argument.
 
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I'm sure there are plenty of scenarios that would be good or bad. But in the case of the teams I mainly follow it wouldn't change much except eliminate the duplicate games in districts that are almost always opponents Carthage has already played. They could choose to schedule Joplin, CJ and I don't know, maybe Nixa or whoever would play them for an extra game. I actually kind of like it.
 
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never gonna happen... first off you will have travel in 8 game districts . example Maryville to Palmyra and West Plains to McDonald County. Second you can't get rid of rivalries. rivalries is the best part in high school sports.
 
never gonna happen... first off you will have travel in 8 game districts . example Maryville to Palmyra and West Plains to McDonald County. Second you can't get rid of rivalries. rivalries is the best part in high school sports.
Like the Sikeston/Charleston rivalry, the oldest one west of the Mississippi.
 
those rivalries can stay alive, thats the advantage of scheduling three games, in the scenario given.
 
those rivalries can stay alive, thats the advantage of scheduling three games, in the scenario given.
Okay, so you have 8-team districts in that scenario, just like we have now. Problem with it is that halfway through district play teams start to realize they have no chance of qualifying for post season. How do you think those kids feel about playing their final 3 games, huh? At least now the teams in the lower half have hope in post season play.
 
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Would really love to see the state do away with Conferences in Football. Go with 8 team districts. You play everyone in your district and get to schedule 3 additional games. Top 4 make the playoffs and then you cross bracket for playoff matchups. You dont have as many automatic rematches and you have a much better chance and getting the best teams playing each other later in the playoffs.
This is rare, but it does happen, so why not keep it as it is:
Class 3 District 8 - Pleasant Hill - District Champions

Win and go on. That is all teams have to do now, unlike in the past when point differentials or a coin flip could determine your playoff qualifying status.
 
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Okay, so you have 8-team districts in that scenario, just like we have now. Problem with it is that halfway through district play teams start to realize they have no chance of qualifying for post season. How do you think those kids feel about playing their final 3 games, huh? At least now the teams in the lower half have hope in post season play.
is there another state where "everyone" qualifies for the post season. MO didn't used to be like this. This model works well in OK and AR.. not sure the folks that fail to make the playoffs, quit playing when they dont have a chance.
 
Would really love to see the state do away with Conferences in Football. Go with 8 team districts. You play everyone in your district and get to schedule 3 additional games. Top 4 make the playoffs and then you cross bracket for playoff matchups. You dont have as many automatic rematches and you have a much better chance and getting the best teams playing each other later in the playoffs.

is there another state where "everyone" qualifies for the post season. MO didn't used to be like this. This model works well in OK and AR.. not sure the folks that fail to make the playoffs, quit playing when they dont have a chance.
I would guess that most of those type of teams are fully aware that they are playing for the love of the game vs winning a championship.
 
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is there another state where "everyone" qualifies for the post season. MO didn't used to be like this. This model works well in OK and AR.. not sure the folks that fail to make the playoffs, quit playing when they dont have a chance.

Think about it this way: we're just doing our districts in straight single-elimination tournament format now instead of round-robin format we used to do a while back. One team still wins the district; that is no different.
 
Think about it this way: we're just doing our districts in straight single-elimination tournament format now instead of round-robin format we used to do a while back. One team still wins the district; that is no different.
Great point. I think the district points/seeding formula is uncannily good also. Yes, there are teams that get a 1 seed because they go out of their way to schedule bad teams who are bigger in class. But they don't win the district. And there are teams that are the 2 or the 3 that should be lower. But they usually don't win the district anyway. And in the vast majority of districts, in all classes, and for a decade, the top seeded team is the best team- and the eventual district winner.
It very effectively accomplishes what it is intended to accomplish.
 
Great point. I think the district points/seeding formula is uncannily good also. Yes, there are teams that get a 1 seed because they go out of their way to schedule bad teams who are bigger in class. But they don't win the district. And there are teams that are the 2 or the 3 that should be lower. But they usually don't win the district anyway. And in the vast majority of districts, in all classes, and for a decade, the top seeded team is the best team- and the eventual district winner.
It very effectively accomplishes what it is intended to accomplish.
The only time I can remember weirdness in the districts I've paid attention to was the few years Carthage was in a district with Belton, Ruskin, Willard, SC Sedalia, etc. Smith Cotton almost always nabbed the top seed because they won most all of their games generally against weaker competition. Carthage would generally lose to Webb City and occasionally someone else in the COC. Funny thing was they would still end up hosting the district champ game as #2 because Smith Cotton would get eliminated first or second round. So the end result was not affected.

There are situations that are outliers but for the most point I think the district seeding works pretty well. Webb City used to get an advantage in their class 4 district seeding because they played all class 5 and 6 teams but they should have been rewarded for that. So that is the system working as intended in my opinion.
 
Would really love to see the state do away with Conferences in Football. Go with 8 team districts. You play everyone in your district and get to schedule 3 additional games. Top 4 make the playoffs and then you cross bracket for playoff matchups. You dont have as many automatic rematches and you have a much better chance and getting the best teams playing each other later in the playoffs.
So how would that work? Teams wouldnt know their schedule with the way districts are released and your schedule would possibly be different every year. Sounds like a nightmare to me
 
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The only time I can remember weirdness in the districts I've paid attention to was the few years Carthage was in a district with Belton, Ruskin, Willard, SC Sedalia, etc. Smith Cotton almost always nabbed the top seed because they won most all of their games generally against weaker competition. Carthage would generally lose to Webb City and occasionally someone else in the COC. Funny thing was they would still end up hosting the district champ game as #2 because Smith Cotton would get eliminated first or second round. So the end result was not affected.

There are situations that are outliers but for the most point I think the district seeding works pretty well. Webb City used to get an advantage in their class 4 district seeding because they played all class 5 and 6 teams but they should have been rewarded for that. So that is the system working as intended in my opinion.
They should do it like basketball and all the coaches meet up and vote on the seeds in person after the districts are assigned. You could do away with the point system all together, Coaches know who you play and who is good.
 
So how would that work? Teams wouldnt know their schedule with the way districts are released and your schedule would possibly be different every year. Sounds like a nightmare to me
Well, MSHSAA didnt start releasing class and district lineups, this late until recent years, after we had gone to this current format. Heck, we used to be on 2 year cycles and the numbers were released in the spring for the following two years.
I get what many are saying about schedules and as far as, making sure everyone has something to play for late in the year and everyone making the playoffs, I guess I am just showing age and not having that participation trophy mentality.
 
Well, MSHSAA didnt start releasing class and district lineups, this late until recent years, after we had gone to this current format. Heck, we used to be on 2 year cycles and the numbers were released in the spring for the following two years.
I get what many are saying about schedules and as far as, making sure everyone has something to play for late in the year and everyone making the playoffs, I guess I am just showing age and not having that participation trophy mentality.

I'm going to poke a little hole in the "everyone gets a trophy nowadays" argument. Since the only thing teams were vying for was a conference title back in the days before playoffs, weren't a lot more teams getting trophies back then?
 
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