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I'm all for Helias going class 4 and put in trackstars district.

I'm for transferring all-star 8-man and Class 1 players hand-picked by you to help Helias over the edge. Helias will officially change their mascot to the Helias ShoeShine Boys. 15 years from now at the HOF induction at Helias, they will say of you, "That shoeshine boy didn't know a damned thing about athletes, but he sure helped us win the championship that year."

 
I am kind of impressed you are still talking trash with the amount of crow you had to eat last week. First 3 weeks all turbo clocks. STAMP IT. LOL

Eating crow? Team loses their third year starting QB on the first series, has 120 in penalties, five turnovers, and is missing their starting Middle linebacker and STILL only loses by three points? These posts by knee-jerk Johnnies like you are gonna come back to haunt you. It's a long season Shoeshine Boy Junior.

And I know you threw away your stopwatch and contacted the NFL about not using objective sources for timing speed? Right, genius?
 
Do you have Trevor Klein's track times?

Thanks in advance.


1. Jim Hines -- 9.95 (1968)
The 1968 Olympic 100m gold medalist was the first man to break 10 seconds with electronic timing and remains the only NFL player to do so. Hines was a sixth-round pick in the 1968 NFL Draft by the Miami Dolphins. He joined the team after the Mexico City Games, was given the number 99 and later an unfortunate nickname for a wide receiver -- “Oops.” He played in 10 games between 1969 and 1970 for the Dolphins and Kansas City Chiefs.

2. Trindon Holliday -- 10.00 (2009)
The 5-foot-5 return specialist placed second in the 2007 USATF Outdoor Championships behind Tyson Gay, but passed on a world championships spot to focus on football. He was eliminated in the 2008 Olympic Trials semifinals, was drafted in 2010 in the sixth round by the Houston Texans, then played among five teams in the regular season from 2011-14.

(All-Pro Raiders wide receiver Cliff Branch ran a recorded 10.0 at the 1972 NCAA Championships, which was presumably hand timed and is not counted by World Athletics.)


3/4. Jeff Demps/Jacoby Ford -- 10.01 (2008/2009)
Demps is the lone active sprinter on this list. His best time came at the 2008 Olympic Trials, counting as the national high school record though it came the summer after the end of his prep career. He later won a national football title at the University of Florida, was part of the 4x100m relay at the 2012 Olympics and played in two NFL games as a return specialist in 2013.

Ford is better known for his days as a Raiders wide receiver (57 receptions from 2010-13), but he clocked 10.01 while a Clemson sprinter in 2009. As Jesse Squire noted, an argument can be made that Ford is the fastest man who played significantly in the NFL.

5/6. Bob Hayes/Ron Brown -- 10.06 (1964/1983)
Hayes is the only man with an Olympic gold medal and a Super Bowl ring, achieving the former at the 1964 Tokyo Games and the latter in 1972 during a Hall of Fame wide receiving career mostly with the Dallas Cowboys. He ran 10.06 to dominate the Olympic final, which Tim Layden covered as part of this story last year.

Brown ran his 10.06 in 1983, after he turned down the Cleveland Browns, who drafted him in the second round that year, to pursue the 1984 Olympics. Brown finished fourth in the 100m in Los Angeles and earned relay gold. He then went to the NFL, playing 100 games primarily as a return specialist.

7. Alvis Whitted -- 10.07 (1996)
Sixth in the 1996 Olympic Trials 200m won by Michael Johnson in a world record (that Johnson later broke at the Atlanta Games). Whitted ran that final in lane two, sandwiched among three individual Olympic gold medalists -- Carl Lewis (lane one), Mike Marsh (four) and Johnson (five). Whitted returned to NC State, then played nine seasons as a wide receiver between the Jacksonville Jaguars and Raiders.

8. Darrell Green -- 10.08 (1983)
Known as the NFL’s Fastest Man for winning the league’s annual head-to-head sprint competition four times in the 1980s and ‘90s. Green, a Hall of Fame cornerback for Washington who never competed at the Olympics, dusted 1984 relay gold medalists Brown and Sam Graddy, 1992 Olympic bobsledder Herschel Walker, bobsledder and masters sprint champion Willie Gault and Mel Gray, the Detroit Lions’ ace return specialist. Green also reportedly ran a 4.09-second 40-yard dash, faster than the NFL Combine record (4.22), though Green tweeted in March that it was “somewhere in the range of 4.09ish.”

9. Sam Graddy -- 10.09 (1984)
1984 Olympic 100m silver medalist behind Lewis. Graddy played 43 games over five NFL seasons as a wide receiver.

10. Willie Gault -- 10.10 (1982)
Gault qualified for the 1980 Olympics as part of the 4x100m relay pool, but the U.S. boycotted the Moscow Games. He then began an 11-year NFL career as a wide receiver, winning Super Bowl XX with the Chicago Bears (and helped organize the “Super Bowl Shuffle,” where he was the second solo singer between Walter Payton and Mike Singletary). While playing football, he wanted to bid for LA 84, but was barred over rules that kept professional athletes out of the Games. In 1988, Gault traveled to the Calgary Winter Games with the U.S. bobsled team as a non-competing alternate. Gault owns 100m masters world records for ages 45-49 (10.72), 50-54 (10.88) and 55-59 (11.30).
 
Eating crow? Team loses their third year starting QB on the first series, has 120 in penalties, five turnovers, and is missing their starting Middle linebacker and STILL only loses by three points? These posts by knee-jerk Johnnies like you are gonna come back to haunt you. It's a long season Shoeshine Boy Junior.

And I know you threw away your stopwatch and contacted the NFL about not using objective sources for timing speed? Right, genius?
A loss is still a loss. Injures happen all the time. Why was your second string not ready to go? How does a team with that much talent have 5 turnovers or 120 yards in penalties? How good was the team you were playing? One thing no one can deny is your absolute loyalty in your team and I do hope your two guys get back on the field this year.

40 times are not the end all be all like you think it is in high school. Will the times get them a second look by colleges. Yes. But is there a thousand other things just as important and if not more important that colleges look at. Is the kid a good teammate? Can he be that fast and take a hit? Not get injured? Catch the ball? Block? How is his grades? 1000 of kids with fast 40 times each week across the US sit on the sidelines because they can't do anything but run. Lucky for them there is a track season.

But I do know the two things you can't teach is size and speed. Just because we don't take it to your extremes don't think we think it is not important.
 
beating a dead horse wtf GIF
Here is Joey and his 40 times
 
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Helias got hosed on this. They should be a Class 4 team. They 100% got bumped 2 classes and should not have.

If you need to make adjustments to the classes bump everyone down 1 and put 37 in the tiny Class 1 class.

That being said, Hannibal got turboed by what really is a Class 4 team last week.
I think Helias has a real shot to make some noise in class 5, but last week shows they would probably be the favorite in Class 4.
 
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Helias was class 4 before the championship Factor was applied.

They are were they should be.
Class 3 cut offs are 311-511. Helias raw enrollment is 504. This would put them in Class 3 without the championship factor. They have 4 championship factor points which bumps them 1 class. They should be class 4 but MSHSAA did something wonky trying to keep the classes even on numbers and bumped them another class to class 5.
 
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Class 3 cut offs are 311-511. Helias raw enrollment is 504. This would put them in Class 3 without the championship factor. They have 4 championship factor points which bumps them 1 class. They should be class 4 but MSHSAA did something wonky trying to keep the classes even on numbers and bumped them another class to class 5.
MSHSAA is a train wreck.

They let board members agendas mess up what should have been an easy and effective process.

305/6.

Done.
 
A loss is still a loss. Injures happen all the time. Why was your second string not ready to go? How does a team with that much talent have 5 turnovers or 120 yards in penalties? How good was the team you were playing? One thing no one can deny is your absolute loyalty in your team and I do hope your two guys get back on the field this year.

40 times are not the end all be all like you think it is in high school. Will the times get them a second look by colleges. Yes. But is there a thousand other things just as important and if not more important that colleges look at. Is the kid a good teammate? Can he be that fast and take a hit? Not get injured? Catch the ball? Block? How is his grades? 1000 of kids with fast 40 times each week across the US sit on the sidelines because they can't do anything but run. Lucky for them there is a track season.

But I do know the two things you can't teach is size and speed. Just because we don't take it to your extremes don't think we think it is not important.

Johnnie J*rkoff, I never said 40 times were the end all be all? Where the F did I say that? I can't believe how you trolls make this sh*t up. Guys making up stories is how people get clipped.

Let's go back...and look at what I said. 1) History of beating everyone around them in 8th and 9th grade. 2) History last year of beating everyone around them. 3) speed. GAFL Never, except in the mind of toothless tw*ts on here, did I say speed was the end all be all. Now go get your shoe shine box!!!!
 
Class 1 less than 200 students
Class 2 200-399
Class 3 400-599
Class 4 600-799
Class 5 800-999
Class 6 schools with 1,000+

Top 32 in each class make the postseason. Five rounds, with week 14 putting the championship games on Thanksgiving weekend.

First round (week 10) is geographically based, matching up teams in closer proximity (but no two teams in the top 10 by district points face each other).

Second thru fourth rounds are based on reseeding and someone could have to drive to the other side of the state.

Week 10 games between teams who did not reach the playoffs, and most of these would be “win-able” games for either team given the top 32 are elsewhere and no more 1 vs 8 district matchups.

IMO, also eliminate football conferences. Build solid district alignment (think close proximity) and require teams to schedule 6 games in their own district and have 3 flex games for rivalries, out of state or whatever. Only the district game results factor into your tournament seeding for week 10.
In this scenario, you have 72 teams in class 6 (double what it is now), with 1007 going against 1799. That's quite the spread. I do like the rest of what you said. It would make for a competitive and true bracket when you enter the "playoffs". If you played on Saturday's, you could make the travel work
 
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Johnnie J*rkoff, I never said 40 times were the end all be all? Where the F did I say that? I can't believe how you trolls make this sh*t up. Guys making up stories is how people get clipped.

Let's go back...and look at what I said. 1) History of beating everyone around them in 8th and 9th grade. 2) History last year of beating everyone around them. 3) speed. GAFL Never, except in the mind of toothless tw*ts on here, did I say speed was the end all be all. Now go get your shoe shine box!!!!
I see I have hit a nerve. LOL Must be dealing with a child and not a man when they resort to name calling.
 
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Are we all REALLY still discussing 8-man football? It's barely even football. Just a notch above soccer! However, the naps one can take during an 8-man game are fantastic

There is one guy here that can break down 8-man. Not sure why he ever posts anywhere else, especially when he is that ignorant about anything other than 8-man? Some people just have to listen to themselves talk I guess.
 
Class 3 cut offs are 311-511. Helias raw enrollment is 504. This would put them in Class 3 without the championship factor. They have 4 championship factor points which bumps them 1 class. They should be class 4 but MSHSAA did something wonky trying to keep the classes even on numbers and bumped them another class to class 5.

The cut off was set AFTER the private schools where moved. 6 private schools where bumped to class 5 which would have moved schools down. There for adjusting the enrollment breaks. Nothing wonky happened.
 
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The cut off was set AFTER the private schools where moved. 6 private schools where bumped to class 5 which would have moved schools down. There for adjusting the enrollment breaks. Nothing wonky happened.
Is it really that hard to adjust though? I would think before releasing districts you could look at it and move JC to Class 5 and Helias down to Class 4. Not even a Helias fan, but I think MSHSAA really screwed this up.
 
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Is it really that hard to adjust though? I would think before releasing districts you could look at it and move JC to Class 5 and Helias down to Class 4. Not even a Helias fan, but I think MSHSAA really screwed this up.
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Is it really that hard to adjust though? I would think before releasing districts you could look at it and move JC to Class 5 and Helias down to Class 4. Not even a Helias fan, but I think MSHSAA really screwed this up.

Then that defeats even having a championship factor.

BEFORE the championship factor was applied, Helias was in Class 4.
 
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Then that defeats even having a championship factor.

BEFORE the championship factor was applied, Helias was in Class 4.
Not trying to argue at all or say you are wrong. This is just an interesting deal.

So let me ask you this. If Helias had 0 championship factor points, what class would they be in this year?
 
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Finally putting my two cents on this.

1. what in the World did they do to Class 1? We could see our first ever 2 or 3 Win Team to win State Championship in Class 1.

2. Class 1 should be at Least 48 in there Respective class but no more. Class 6 should be 32 or 36

3. I definitely agree Helias got screw over badly. They should be in Class 4

4. I probably get a lot of hate on this but I forgot whoever said this but I agree Public schools needs a Championship Factor too. Championship factor for public schools to move up 1 for 6 years and 12 Points.

5. What is 8-Man, never heard of it 😂

6. Finally Heard rumors Kearney is having a Hot Mom starting at QB Friday night against Smithville since Kearney running out of QB’s
 
Finally putting my two cents on this.

1. what in the World did they do to Class 1? We could see our first ever 2 or 3 Win Team to win State Championship in Class 1.

2. Class 1 should be at Least 48 in there Respective class but no more. Class 6 should be 32 or 36

3. I definitely agree Helias got screw over badly. They should be in Class 4

4. I probably get a lot of hate on this but I forgot whoever said this but I agree Public schools needs a Championship Factor too. Championship factor for public schools to move up 1 for 6 years and 12 Points.

5. What is 8-Man, never heard of it 😂

6. Finally Heard rumors Kearney is having a Hot Mom starting at QB Friday night against Smithville since Kearney running out of QB’s
1- it's a complete cluster
2- either make 1 and 6 40 and split the rest or divide evenly. This is a move to give certain teams a 'shot'.
3- Yep. MSHSAA better hope some rep doesn't have a kid playing at Helias.
4- meh public schools already get punished if they get caught doing what privates do openly.
5- Oh man. Oh man.
6-Bosko will likey.
 
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When Portageville, the 33rd largest based on enrollment, runs through Class 1 the good folks on the football advisory committee are going to be crying that they should have stuck to the 32 number they originally suggested...
 
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When Portageville, the 33rd largest based on enrollment, runs through Class 1 the good folks on the football advisory committee are going to be crying that they should have stuck to the 32 number they originally suggested...
Best part is all those loonnggggg bus rides if they're the 1 seed in districts.

After a 3.5 hour car ride Friday night, I'm thinking 5+ on a bus might be labeled cruel and unusual punishment.
 
1- it's a complete cluster
2- either make 1 and 6 40 and split the rest or divide evenly. This is a move to give certain teams a 'shot'.
3- Yep. MSHSAA better hope some rep doesn't have a kid playing at Helias.
4- meh public schools already get punished if they get caught doing what privates do openly.
5- Oh man. Oh man.
6-Bosko will likey.
6. no doubt about it ! 😜
 
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