Enrollment Breaks 23-24 actual data, not a dumb question

[CaptainMullet]

Here's what I pulled from the enrollment numbers:

Class 1- Wellington-Napoleon 82 - Thayer 169

Class 2- Cole Camp/Malden 173- St. Michael /Hogan Prep 310

Class 3- Centralia/Pembroke Hill 311- Westminster Christian 510

Class 4- Osage 512- Jefferson City 896

Class 5- Capital City 907- Francis Howell North 1268

Class 6- Lafayette (Wildwood) 1277- Blue Springs 1799

Can't wait for this to be stolen like my map of Missouri regions.

 

[Veer2Eternity]

Here's what I pulled from the enrollment numbers:

Class 1- Wellington-Napoleon 82 - Thayer 169

Class 2- Cole Camp/Malden 173- St. Michael /Hogan Prep 310

Class 3- Centralia/Pembroke Hill 311- Westminster Christian 510

Class 4- Osage 512- Jefferson City 896

Class 5- Capital City 907- Francis Howell North 1268

Class 6- Lafayette (Wildwood) 1277- Blue Springs 1799

Can't wait for this to be stolen like my map of Missouri regions.

Run the numbers with 6 even classes.

Bet you won't have class 1 teams taking 10hour bus trips in districts.

 

[J. Kane]

Here's what I pulled from the enrollment numbers:

Class 1- Wellington-Napoleon 82 - Thayer 169

Class 2- Cole Camp/Malden 173- St. Michael /Hogan Prep 310

Class 3- Centralia/Pembroke Hill 311- Westminster Christian 510

Class 4- Osage 512- Jefferson City 896

Class 5- Capital City 907- Francis Howell North 1268

Class 6- Lafayette (Wildwood) 1277- Blue Springs 1799

Can't wait for this to be stolen like my map of Missouri regions.

 

[Stagolee]

Run the numbers with 6 even classes.

Bet you won't have class 1 teams taking 10hour bus trips in districts.

Private schools. Large schools. MSHSAA. There's a lot of reasons V2E HS doesn't win.

 

[Mister_Wizard]

Class 1 less than 200 students
Class 2 200-399
Class 3 400-599
Class 4 600-799
Class 5 800-999
Class 6 schools with 1,000+

Top 32 in each class make the postseason. Five rounds, with week 14 putting the championship games on Thanksgiving weekend.

First round (week 10) is geographically based, matching up teams in closer proximity (but no two teams in the top 10 by district points face each other).

Second thru fourth rounds are based on reseeding and someone could have to drive to the other side of the state.

Week 10 games between teams who did not reach the playoffs, and most of these would be “win-able” games for either team given the top 32 are elsewhere and no more 1 vs 8 district matchups.

IMO, also eliminate football conferences. Build solid district alignment (think close proximity) and require teams to schedule 6 games in their own district and have 3 flex games for rivalries, out of state or whatever. Only the district game results factor into your tournament seeding for week 10.

 

[AC100]

Eliminating conferences for football but having them for every other sport makes a lot of sense.

 

[J. Kane]

Class 1 less than 200 students
Class 2 200-399
Class 3 400-599
Class 4 600-799
Class 5 800-999
Class 6 schools with 1,000+

Top 32 in each class make the postseason. Five rounds, with week 14 putting the championship games on Thanksgiving weekend.

First round (week 10) is geographically based, matching up teams in closer proximity (but no two teams in the top 10 by district points face each other).

Second thru fourth rounds are based on reseeding and someone could have to drive to the other side of the state.

Week 10 games between teams who did not reach the playoffs, and most of these would be “win-able” games for either team given the top 32 are elsewhere and no more 1 vs 8 district matchups.

IMO, also eliminate football conferences. Build solid district alignment (think close proximity) and require teams to schedule 6 games in their own district and have 3 flex games for rivalries, out of state or whatever. Only the district game results factor into your tournament seeding for week 10.

 

[Veer2Eternity]

Private schools. Large schools. MSHSAA. There's a lot of reasons V2E HS doesn't win.

Sir, I've been a winner my whole life.

Good day.

 

[MoSooner69]

Eliminating conferences for football but having them for every other sport makes a lot of sense.

works in other states

 

[thetophat2021]

Eliminating conferences for football but having them for every other sport makes a lot of sense.

See D1 COLLEGE FOOTBALL.............

 

[CaptainMullet]

Class 1 less than 200 students
Class 2 200-399
Class 3 400-599
Class 4 600-799
Class 5 800-999
Class 6 schools with 1,000+

Top 32 in each class make the postseason. Five rounds, with week 14 putting the championship games on Thanksgiving weekend.

First round (week 10) is geographically based, matching up teams in closer proximity (but no two teams in the top 10 by district points face each other).

Second thru fourth rounds are based on reseeding and someone could have to drive to the other side of the state.

Week 10 games between teams who did not reach the playoffs, and most of these would be “win-able” games for either team given the top 32 are elsewhere and no more 1 vs 8 district matchups.

IMO, also eliminate football conferences. Build solid district alignment (think close proximity) and require teams to schedule 6 games in their own district and have 3 flex games for rivalries, out of state or whatever. Only the district game results factor into your tournament seeding for week 10.

Get out of here with your common sense.

 

[sw5890]

Eliminating conferences for football but having them for every other sport makes a lot of sense.

That makes a lot more sense than a separate conference just for football. Just remove football from the conference equation altogether and do the district thing.

I am inclined to think that could open a lot of possibilities for schools to join with other schools that are closer even if they aren't the same size. I remember some nearby small school from Kansas coming to Carthage to play basketball a few years ago. The heard the kids behind me one said "dude this school is f'ing enormous, why are we playing them?". I think Carthage had roughly 4x their enrollment. Carthage won but it wasn't a waste of everyones time and no one got hurt. You can't necessarily do that in football.

It sounds like a great idea but I would imagine there would be massive resistance for such a change.

 

[65TPT]

I know it's probably on this board somewhere, but can someone remind me what the success factor points are, or what moves up a class? My question is according to MSHSAA enrollment numbers, Helias is at 504, which would put them in Class 3 with raw enrollment I believe. Their success factor is 4 from their State Title a few years ago, so I was wonder what bumps them 2 classes to Class 5.

 

[NEMOFball]

I know it's probably on this board somewhere, but can someone remind me what the success factor points are, or what moves up a class? My question is according to MSHSAA enrollment numbers, Helias is at 504, which would put them in Class 3 with raw enrollment I believe. Their success factor is 4 from their State Title a few years ago, so I was wonder what bumps them 2 classes to Class 5.

• 0-2 points: stay in the same class based on raw enrollment

• 3-7 points: move up one class from raw enrollment placement
• 8+ points: move up two classes from raw enrollment placement

Missouri High School Sports and Activities

Missouri High School Sports and Activities

www.mshsaa.org

You are correct. Something doesn't add up.

 

[bman_turbo2000]

I know it's probably on this board somewhere, but can someone remind me what the success factor points are, or what moves up a class? My question is according to MSHSAA enrollment numbers, Helias is at 504, which would put them in Class 3 with raw enrollment I believe. Their success factor is 4 from their State Title a few years ago, so I was wonder what bumps them 2 classes to Class 5.

Helias should be Class 4. I honestly do not know why they went up 2. St Clair and Odessa is Class 3 with 504 and 507 respectfully.

Only thing I can think of is something got changed that we do not know about.

 

[HHSX2]

Helias should be Class 4. I honestly do not know why they went up 2. St Clair and Odessa is Class 3 with 504 and 507 respectfully.
Same thing is going on with Lutheran North with an enrollment of 202 which is class 2 so they should be Class 4 as well.
Only thing I can think of is something got changed that we do not know about.

If I am not mistaken, the same thing happened last year.

 

[Veer2Eternity]

• 0-2 points: stay in the same class based on raw enrollment

• 3-7 points: move up one class from raw enrollment placement
• 8+ points: move up two classes from raw enrollment placement

Missouri High School Sports and Activities

Missouri High School Sports and Activities

www.mshsaa.org

You are correct. Something doesn't add up.

welcome to class 4!

Tell me about your track times

 

[bman_turbo2000]

In all honesty, the more I look at it. I don't think they know what they are doing as Valle Catholic only went up to Class 2 and they have 7 points.. So the apples and oranges are not the same. Something is not right. Maybe the school was asked if they would want to move up.

 

[NEMOFball]

In all honesty, the more I look at it. I don't think they know what they are doing as Valle Catholic only went up to Class 2 and they have 7 points.. So the apples and oranges are not the same. Something is not right. Maybe the school was asked if they would want to move up.

7 points only moves you up 1 class.

 

[Wheels 1]

7 points only moves you up 1 class.

Yep and Helias only has 4 points and raw enrollment of 504 and that is class 3. They should be class 4 unless something is messd up.

 

[Veer2Eternity]

In all honesty, the more I look at it. I don't think they know what they are doing

You don't say?

 

[bman_turbo2000]

Well here is some fine lined documentation :

The following table displays final enrollment breaks for each Fall, Winter, Spring Sport and the Activities. Breaks for each season will be posted shortly after the release of Class & District Assignments for the sport/activity. The information displayed represents the final breaks following the application of the championship factor to non-MSIP schools and the respective shifting of schools. The enrollments of the non-MSIP schools shifted up in classification are not reflected in the breaks.

So based upon that they can move them up regardless of enrollment break. Another item is both Class 4 and 5 both have 54 schools. So if Helias would have been put in Class 4 that would pivot to 55/53 which they should have done and move the top of Class 4 current enrollment to Class 5 but instead moved Helias up.

 

[Wheels 1]

The process in which schools are classified is in the Board Policy section of the MSHSAA Handbook. We will provide a detailed response to member schools when they are requesting clarification or concern over a class placement for a given sport.



To generally respond to your inquiry. Helias Catholic’s raw enrollment placed them in the bottom of Class 4. Their accrued Championship Factor points moved them up one classification to Class 5. After this step, schools remaining at the bottom of Class 4 were moved down to rebalance the number of schools in each classification. Therefore, what appears to be a 2 class jump is not.

This what my friend at MSHSAA said.

 

[NEMOFball]

Well here is some fine lined documentation :

The following table displays final enrollment breaks for each Fall, Winter, Spring Sport and the Activities. Breaks for each season will be posted shortly after the release of Class & District Assignments for the sport/activity. The information displayed represents the final breaks following the application of the championship factor to non-MSIP schools and the respective shifting of schools. The enrollments of the non-MSIP schools shifted up in classification are not reflected in the breaks.

So based upon that they can move them up regardless of enrollment break. Another item is both Class 4 and 5 both have 54 schools. So if Helias would have been put in Class 4 that would pivot to 55/53 which they should have done and move the top of Class 4 current enrollment to Class 5 but instead moved Helias up.

I am personally a fan of the championship factor for private schools. I think it definitely helps even the playing field. That being said, this is garbage. Helias should be a Class 4 school. Make it transparent.

 

[Veer2Eternity]

7 points only moves you up 1 class.

I for one would love to see Valle in class 1 this year

 

[NEMOFball]

The process in which schools are classified is in the Board Policy section of the MSHSAA Handbook. We will provide a detailed response to member schools when they are requesting clarification or concern over a class placement for a given sport.



To generally respond to your inquiry. Helias Catholic’s raw enrollment placed them in the bottom of Class 4. Their accrued Championship Factor points moved them up one classification to Class 5. After this step, schools remaining at the bottom of Class 4 were moved down to rebalance the number of schools in each classification. Therefore, what appears to be a 2 class jump is not.

This what my friend at MSHSAA said.

Makes sense I guess but still does not seem accurate. Oh well, sorry Helias.

 

[Wheels 1]

Makes sense I guess but still does not seem accurate. Oh well, sorry Helias.

I agree.

 

[NEMOFball]

I for one would love to see Valle in class 1 this year

Class .5 is probably more accurate.

 

[Veer2Eternity]

You don't say?

But to be fair:
Someone at MSHSAA knew exactly what they were doing.

 

[bman_turbo2000]

But to be fair:
Someone at MSHSAA knew exactly what they were doing.

They knew what they were doing based upon other responses though the transparency at looking at this blindly doesn't look the way it should and will bring up questions.
Luckily, only people on this forum have a keen eye on looking at seeing these kind of things. The general public will not even notice this or let alone care. Only way the general public, in this case the Helias fans and community, would even know of this is if they were told of this change / mixup. Of course, if they were told about this they would not take it too kindly.

 

[Veer2Eternity]

They knew what they were doing based upon other responses though the transparency at looking at this blindly doesn't look the way it should and will bring up questions.
Luckily, only people on this forum have a keen eye on looking at seeing these kind of things. The general public will not even notice this or let alone care. Only way the general public, in this case the Helias fans and community, would even know of this is if they were told of this change / mixup. Of course, if they were told about this they would not take it too kindly.

indeed.
Wait and see what happens.

 

[Veer2Eternity]

Class .5 is probably more accurate.

They got MC, EB and Adrian outta the way.

I suppose if you started checking rosters it may reveal some good info.

 

[Eagles_Ball]

In all honesty, the more I look at it. I don't think they know what they are doing...

You new to this whole MSHSAA thing??? Have to be, or you'd BE CERTAIN they have no clue what they're doing.

 

[CaptainMullet]

Maybe the 1.35 multiplier was the real solution.

 

[HHSX2]

They knew what they were doing based upon other responses though the transparency at looking at this blindly doesn't look the way it should and will bring up questions.
Luckily, only people on this forum have a keen eye on looking at seeing these kind of things. The general public will not even notice this or let alone care. Only way the general public, in this case the Helias fans and community, would even know of this is if they were told of this change / mixup. Of course, if they were told about this they would not take it too kindly.

I know a couple of phone calls were made last year about the same thing. Response was everything has already been set. Nothing we can do about it now. Then again, no one really wanted to be with St.Marys last year anyway.

 

[Veer2Eternity]

I know a couple of phone calls were made last year about the same thing. Response was everything has already been set. Nothing we can do about it now. Then again, no one really wanted to be with St.Marys last year anyway.

Maybe Helias has some mojo being in Jeff City. Might be a reps kid going to school there.

 

[JNsDaddyzDaddyIownU]

welcome to class 4!

Tell me about your track times

Welcome to 8-man and Class 1. The only levels you are qualified to communicate about, shoeshine boy.

 

[NEMOFball]

Helias got hosed on this. They should be a Class 4 team. They 100% got bumped 2 classes and should not have.

If you need to make adjustments to the classes bump everyone down 1 and put 37 in the tiny Class 1 class.

That being said, Hannibal got turboed by what really is a Class 4 team last week.

 

[J. Kane]

Helias got hosed on this. They should be a Class 4 team. They 100% got bumped 2 classes and should not have.

If you need to make adjustments to the classes bump everyone down 1 and put 37 in the tiny Class 1 class.

That being said, Hannibal got turboed by what really is a Class 4 team last week.

 

[Veer2Eternity]

Helias got hosed on this. They should be a Class 4 team. They 100% got bumped 2 classes and should not have.

If you need to make adjustments to the classes bump everyone down 1 and put 37 in the tiny Class 1 class.

That being said, Hannibal got turboed by what really is a Class 4 team last week.

I'm all for Helias going class 4 and put in trackstars district.