Can you stop the p+ssing match with Veer and state why or why not a private school shold compete in Class 1?
Do Private Schools Have Any Business Playing Class 1 Football?
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Can you stop the p+ssing match with Veer and state why or why not a private school shold compete in Class 1?
Because thats where they land with even the multiplier? The same people who talk about soft generation and this and that, yet want to move a team up because others can't stop them. None of you were complaining when they were in the tank. They'll see that time again and I am sure you guys won't be complaining then.
This isn't specific to Valle. I don't want St. Vincent in Class 1 or McAuley Catholic if they choose to move back up. Or if a private school opens in suburban Kansas City.
This is about private schools. Not just Valle.
Probably worried that if Valle moves clear up to class 3 his school won't ever make the playoffs
Class 1, District 1
Class 2, District 1
Which one is more competitive?
- Chaffee High School
- Crystal City High School
- Hayti High School
- Portageville High School
- Scott City High School
- St. Vincent High School
- Valle Catholic High School
Class 2, District 1
Which one is more competitive?
State rules are what they are. The real issue is Valle playing in the JCC/I-55 Con. Whoever made the decision to add them to that conference should have been fired. It's a joke for all schools involved. No one can compete with Valle and everyone knows it. Valle knows it too, but is all to happy/content to pad their schedule with relative cupcakes for wins and to stay healthy for the playoffs. Valle should go independent or join the mineral area conference (like they are in EVERY OTHER SPORT).
What is this Mineral Area Conference you speak of? Didn't realize that football conference existed...
They've got 50 to 75 kids on the sidelines most years. That'd be good for the average Class 3 to 5 school. Pretty sure they'd be fine.
I know they'd be fine, but why would they? Just to please everybody else?
What would keep them from opening up the enrollment if they were bumped up? With the multiplier, aren't they one of the largest Class 1 teams? If they had to be in Class 2, don't you think they would try to be one of the largest schools in that class also?
According to stltoday: Valle scored 417 points in six conference games against opponents' 41 points. How can anyone defend the fact that they need to change conferences/go independent and play teams that are better suited for them? Plus, if I were a player or parent of a junior/senior I would hate the fact that I'm sitting the entire second half of 60% of regular season games. I'm sure they would love to play all four quarters each week. They are a private school, they put money into the football program...find teams that are an actual challenge each week. Go out of state if need be. Surely an elite program of their magnitude would want to go looking for a challenge instead of being content with playing cupcakes. You would think.
If you listen to their posters on here they can barely keep the doors open. SURELY they wouldn't tailor enrollment to meet athletic classification.
Funny thing...if they did bump to class 2 and enrolled to the top of the class (which of course they would) SG public might never win another football game even on the weak side of the state.
You can't force people to enroll somewhere. If 500 new students wished to enroll at Valle, the school would be ecstatic.
Yes they did. Then people started sending their kids to Ste. Gen public more often.
Well now that the Bush recession is past perhaps that tide will turn.
Or are there other explanations for the switch?
I've already explained it to you. But I could knock more sense in with a 2x4. As for their number one fan....That's comical. My wife's family is pro-valle, it's lucky I get invited to Thanksgiving dinner. I would love to see Ste. Gen. win by 40 every time they could. It is what it is.
I haven't noticed anyone saying Lamar should have to move up because they are winning too much. Valle is in a different category.
I wonder how valuable that 77-0 beatdown was to Valle last night?
Why is this discussion even about Valle and St. Vincent? All of the benefits you talk about private schools having, anyone from SEMO knows they are the exception, not the standard. As stated, both schools would love to have more kids. Large privates are the ones with the advantages you talk about.
Talking in specific examples is rarely beneficial in this argument. Both sides can easily find evidence supporting their view.
Try using statisitics; how privates and publics compare overall, season to season.
Talking in specific examples is rarely beneficial in this argument. Both sides can easily find evidence supporting their view.
Try using statisitics; how privates and publics compare overall, season to season.
Amazing how people make comments when the actually have no idea how catholic schools work. Many think they can just open their doors and give money away and offer money to just anyone.
If the sustained string is do to a competitive advantage by being able to recruit then absolutely should not be punished , just moved to the correct class. Big fish in little pond syndrome ....
so it is just luck that they are so darn good! nobody thinks that, everyone knows they have an advantage over other schools. That is the truth whether you want to admit it or not
Oh yeah. They base their school all around sports right. And we all know St. Gen is such a big populated area that they can draw from such a big area. I'm from St. Louis, and have always amazed how such a small town was able to put out such great athletes. I credit the parents as being involved in their kids life and the kids having good work ethics. They have a great Catholic presence in that town. That is why it never was a surprise year after year that during the annual Knights of Columbus adult slowpitch softball tourney, St. Gen was always up there winning it all. Been going on for years. Sometimes they even had two teams, and of course they won it again this year. Great athletes, great families, usually put out great kids most of the times.
You want to know another small town that puts out great athletes in this state, and that town is Washington MO. This state better be very glad that like St. Gen, Washington has a small catholic school in Borgia, because if not they would be very dominant in many sports, just like St. Gen would be. Both schools if they added their private school students would still be competing in the same class as the public school is currently in now. Washington would be winning state championship after state championship in Volleyball. They would be up there every year in Basketball. Baseball would be very solid, Football would be competitive every year. I've always applauded those two small towns. Many of those families send their kids to a catholic grade school. What, do you think that all of a sudden they are going to go to a public high school, unless the Catholic high school steps in and persuades them to go to the high school. No, most know they are going to continue to the catholic education into high school. No persuasion necessary.
But I assure you Catholic education is always first before sports. Those private schools have great schools because of the parents. They take a very active participation into their kids, and volunteer greatly during the year for those kids. I bet when either one of those schools need some type of volunteer for something, they have no problem getting it, where as the public school district has to pull teeth to get the volunteers, or its the same small group of people do most of the work, at least that is the way it is in our district.
You want to know another small town that puts out great athletes in this state, and that town is Washington MO. This state better be very glad that like St. Gen, Washington has a small catholic school in Borgia, because if not they would be very dominant in many sports, just like St. Gen would be. Both schools if they added their private school students would still be competing in the same class as the public school is currently in now. Washington would be winning state championship after state championship in Volleyball. They would be up there every year in Basketball. Baseball would be very solid, Football would be competitive every year. I've always applauded those two small towns. Many of those families send their kids to a catholic grade school. What, do you think that all of a sudden they are going to go to a public high school, unless the Catholic high school steps in and persuades them to go to the high school. No, most know they are going to continue to the catholic education into high school. No persuasion necessary.
But I assure you Catholic education is always first before sports. Those private schools have great schools because of the parents. They take a very active participation into their kids, and volunteer greatly during the year for those kids. I bet when either one of those schools need some type of volunteer for something, they have no problem getting it, where as the public school district has to pull teeth to get the volunteers, or its the same small group of people do most of the work, at least that is the way it is in our district.
You are twisting this around into a bigger issue. Look at the Catholic schools in Missouri(raised Catholic here so I am not bashing you). They have incredible programs in basketball and football year after year. These are the facts. They can draw more people to their programs because of this. It is a COMPETITIVE EDGE. Valle should not be a 1A program. Simple. And I agree the parents at those schools are very active with schools. Public vs Private is Apples vs Oranges.
The population valle pulls from equates to a class 4 or 5 program. It's simple math.
And if you add Valle's student enrollment with Ste. Gen's public school, they would stay in the same class as Ste Gene public school, and they would be winning state championships there too. Same with Borgia. If you add that student enrollment to Washington's public school system, they wouldn't go up a class either. So close both catholic schools and you still have a community that is producing state championships left and right. You are right. Simple math.
You know when mjkjx3 stated that Catholic Schools have an advantage. More I thought about it is he was right. The extreme advantage is that you have great parents who take a active positive roll into their children's education and into their sports.
So if you are Catholic, like me, who went to a public school btw, you know of both Valle and Borgia as a sports program. So you know Borgia has a great boys basketball program with many state championships. Do you know that every one of those championship were made up from kids who were from local catholic grades schools, and get this, all those local catholic grade schools were in the Washington school district. They were NO main players who were pulled from another school district. They went to local grade catholic grade school, and went on to their local catholic high school.
You keep talking about "pulling" kids from different areas. Do you know if sports was that important to someone, nothing stops them from moving to a different school district after their 8th grade year if you wanted to be part of certain school sports program, or do it during the high school year.
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Just because you could combine the schools does not mean they would dominate in the larger class. Several years ago, Joplin Memorial was a power in basketball. Joplin Parkwood was a power in football. Both won state championships in their respective sports. They joined forces and became Joplin High School. They have not won a state championship, and except for a couple good basketball teams in the Jeff Hafer era, have not even got close to duplicating the success they enjoyed when they were two separate schools.
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