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Liberator Dad

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Okay... Maybe we could keep the negativity on the other thread about this but, Bolivar has put together a committee of parents, coaches and administrators that are seeking opportunities regarding conference placement. They don't know this group like I do but, I would love to see your ideas. Let's assume that until some changes take effect, that Bolivar will not have an option in the Large COC, Big 8 or OC. Keeping all sports and travel distance in mind... what would you guys do? I would love to see what the folks on this board would do if they were looking at building a conference in the current environment.

WMW
 
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It seems to me travel distance should be a major issue when forming conferences for high school sports. A school like, say West Plains, that is in the Ozark Conference. I'm looking at bball, but I assume most of the these are in for football too. There travel seems ridiculous to me. Your talking over 2 hours one way to Parkview, Glendale, Kickapoo, and Hillcrest in Springfield. I would think Camdenton and Joplin would be close to 3 hours. Waynesville, Rolla,and Lebanon would be at least 2 hours too. That travel is brutal for a conference.
 
Here is an idea...may be far fetched, but it's an idea:

DOC
Documentary Ozark Conference

Bolivar Liberators
West Canaan High Coyotes
Amipipe Bulldogs
Arlen High School Armadillos
Dillion Panthers
East Dillion Lions
John Hughes High School Wasps
Marlin Briscoe High School Hawks
McKinley Titans
Polk High School Panthers
Ridgemont Wolves
Rydell High School Rangers
Urbania Little Giants (Just for kicks and giggles to watch the Ice Box play)
 
Here is an idea...may be far fetched, but it's an idea:

DOC
Documentary Ozark Conference

Bolivar Liberators
West Canaan High Coyotes
Amipipe Bulldogs
Arlen High School Armadillos
Dillion Panthers
East Dillion Lions
John Hughes High School Wasps
Marlin Briscoe High School Hawks
McKinley Titans
Polk High School Panthers
Ridgemont Wolves
Rydell High School Rangers
Urbania Little Giants (Just for kicks and giggles to watch the Ice Box play)

Please no... Mox. I am begging you :)
 
Ya Mox. Lets keep some of the "documentary" talk limited. I do get a nice laugh from all of it, but how about you all start your own thread and just talk about the ole glory days? Im sure Bosko would love it!
Youre darn right I would love it! I live for Ampipe football and we havent been the same since that documentary aired. Thanks Coach Nickerson! Mox, we should start our own thread. We will start it....TOGETHER!
 
Ya Mox. Lets keep some of the "documentary" talk limited. I do get a nice laugh from all of it, but how about you all start your own thread and just talk about the ole glory days? Im sure Bosko would love it!
All this seriousness is funny. The Mox tips his hat to you. Good day!
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Ozarks Highland confrence + Clinton??? Not much else out there.

Bolivar
Clinton
Buffalo
Butler
Warsaw
Eldorado Springs

A Long way to travel but maybe Tri County Conference?
Bolivar
Blair oaks
Eldon
Osage
California

Perhaps some combination

Bolivar
Clinton
Eldorado spr
Buffalo
Eldon
Osage
Califorinia
????
These are probably all long shots.
 
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What about Truman Lake Conference:
Clinton
Warrensburg
Nevada
Harrisonville
Bolivar
P Hill

Travel would be an issue here also, but Harrisonville to Bolivar, is only 38 miles more than Harrisonville to Excelsior. And a much easier drive than going through the city on most days.
 
What about Truman Lake Conference:
Clinton
Warrensburg
Nevada
Harrisonville
Bolivar
P Hill

Travel would be an issue here also, but Harrisonville to Bolivar, is only 38 miles more than Harrisonville to Excelsior. And a much easier drive than going through the city on most days.

This might be the best option I have seen posted here. Thanks for sharing. If I haven't worn out my welcome with the administration I may pass this along. Actually I wonder what the mileage would be to go for an ask in the MRVC West with Harrisonville etc. so that you wouldn't be asking a conference to break up?
 
MRVC West turned down Clinton, couldn't see them going for Bolivar, or even a group deal. They are adding Warrensburg. Grain Valley is leaving for the Suburban.
 
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Okay... Maybe we could keep the negativity on the other thread about this but, Bolivar has put together a committee of parents, coaches and administrators that are seeking opportunities regarding conference placement. They don't know this group like I do but, I would love to see your ideas. Let's assume that until some changes take effect, that Bolivar will not have an option in the Large COC, Big 8 or OC. Keeping all sports and travel distance in mind... what would you guys do? I would love to see what the folks on this board would do if they were looking at building a conference in the current environment.

WMW
You were already invited to the Large COC and OC Too bad they won't let you in so y'all can get whipped like when you'd run the score up on the small schools. Remember that? That's why Bolivar is in their own conference now, the "I'm better than everyone else" Conference.
 
This might be the best option I have seen posted here. Thanks for sharing. If I haven't worn out my welcome with the administration I may pass this along.

All of these schools are just about two hours away which is much better than the three to six hours that we currently have scheduled. It would have to be good for all sports and not just football.
 
You were already invited to the Large COC and OC Too bad they won't let you in so y'all can get whipped like when you'd run the score up on the small schools. Remember that? That's why Bolivar is in their own conference now, the "I'm better than everyone else" Conference.

"Oh give me a home where the buffalo roam... Any buffalo roaming over there today Kevin..."
 
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MRVC West turned down Clinton, couldn't see them going for Bolivar, or even a group deal. They are adding Warrensburg. Grain Valley is leaving for the Suburban.

Knock... Are the MRVC East school mostly class 3 or 4? They are even closer. But I would love to see us go in to a conference were we were seeing mostly class 4 with a few class 5.
 
I would imagine the catch with the MRVC West would be Excelsior. That would be a long drive for a Tuesday night.
 
Hard to think of options that don't require breaking up existing arrangements to some degree but I'll share what comes to mind anyways.

Someone else mentioned Rolla leaving the OC to join Union, Washington (places that are actually close to them) and Bolivar taking their place. Seems reasonable for everyone involved if Rolla could find a home.

Another similar idea... Rolla leaves the OC, Branson takes their place. Then Bolivar takes Branson's place in the COC.

Maybe something with the likes of Clinton, Sedalia, Harrisonville, Nevada, etc. West central MO teams. Maybe there is a conference up that way that isn't already stuffed like the big 8, COC, OC are.

A more complicated scheme...break up the COC and go back to smaller conferences. Then those conferences have affiliations, somewhat like that was discussed in the other thread. Or you could call the whole thing the Southwest Power Conference with an east and west division. Doesn't really matter.

Example:

Western Ozark Conference: Joplin, WC, CJ, Neosho, Carthage. Maybe include Pittsburg KS either informally or formally - I think Pburg is presently unaffilited and has some similar geography woes as Bolivar (on their side of the state line at least) so this might help them as well. Maybe Nevada could find a place in this as well?

Central Ozark Conference: Republic, Ozark, Nixa, Bolivar, Willard, Branson. Of course Bolivar is substantially smaller than all these.

The members play every other member in their conference/division plus some from the other conference/division on a rotational basis. Pittsburg may opt out of the rotational thing so they can play Ft Scott and some other KS teams and because their season doesn't align exactly with MO. Maybe a town in the east that would do the same thing to keep it balanced - play the COC but not participate in the WOC rotation.

In some sports you could play all teams from both conferences and have an overall champion. In football you would only have a division champ.
Getting all that in place would be next to impossible but I think it would work well it could be arranged.
 
I would imagine the catch with the MRVC West would be Excelsior. That would be a long drive for a Tuesday night.

I agree with you but, right now our independent schedule has us going to Eldon (1 Hour 34 Minutes Google Maps), Hannibal (3 Hours 44 Minutes), Union (2 Hours 44 Minutes), and Pittsburg, Kansas (1 Hour 46 Minutes). And these are car times. The old yellow bomber will be longer. With Excelsior Springs at 2 Hours and 44 Minutes it might be decent. The next year we go to Mount View Liberty, Marshall, KC Center, Clinton and Cape Central.
 
Hard to think of options that don't require breaking up existing arrangements to some degree but I'll share what comes to mind anyways.

Someone else mentioned Rolla leaving the OC to join Union, Washington (places that are actually close to them) and Bolivar taking their place. Seems reasonable for everyone involved if Rolla could find a home.

Another similar idea... Rolla leaves the OC, Branson takes their place. Then Bolivar takes Branson's place in the COC.

Maybe something with the likes of Clinton, Sedalia, Harrisonville, Nevada, etc. West central MO teams. Maybe there is a conference up that way that isn't already stuffed like the big 8, COC, OC are.

A more complicated scheme...break up the COC and go back to smaller conferences. Then those conferences have affiliations, somewhat like that was discussed in the other thread. Or you could call the whole thing the Southwest Power Conference with an east and west division. Doesn't really matter.

Example:

Western Ozark Conference: Joplin, WC, CJ, Neosho, Carthage. Maybe include Pittsburg KS either informally or formally - I think Pburg is presently unaffilited and has some similar geography woes as Bolivar (on their side of the state line at least) so this might help them as well. Maybe Nevada could find a place in this as well?

Central Ozark Conference: Republic, Ozark, Nixa, Bolivar, Willard, Branson. Of course Bolivar is substantially smaller than all these.

The members play every other member in their conference/division plus some from the other conference/division on a rotational basis. Pittsburg may opt out of the rotational thing so they can play Ft Scott and some other KS teams and because their season doesn't align exactly with MO. Maybe a town in the east that would do the same thing to keep it balanced - play the COC but not participate in the WOC rotation.

In some sports you could play all teams from both conferences and have an overall champion. In football you would only have a division champ.
Getting all that in place would be next to impossible but I think it would work well it could be arranged.

These are actually all great ideas but, if I had to guess I would say no one would be willing to break up a newly formed conference right now to accommodate us. I am liking this MRVC West option more and more.
 
Can someone confirm that for 2017-18, this upcoming school year, everything is still the same as it is today with Central still independent, still a small COC with Bolivar, Rogersville and all, and Joplin still in the OC?

If true, then the target for any new solution is starting with the 2018-19 school year.

WMW, will you be at SBU Saturday for the Bolivar boys' bball game with Grandview?
 
Can someone confirm that for 2017-18, this upcoming school year, everything is still the same as it is today with Central still independent, still a small COC with Bolivar, Rogersville and all, and Joplin still in the OC?

If true, then the target for any new solution is starting with the 2018-19 school year.

WMW, will you be at SBU Saturday for the Bolivar boys' bball game with Grandview?

Yes I am going to be there... I know the Small COC stays the same for the next year. Can't speak to the others.
 
Maybe this has been suggested elsewhere, but with the OC settling in on swapping Joplin out for Central, and with the COC adding in Joplin, that gives each of them 10 teams which of course everyone has realized is a nice sweet spot, especially for football.

So, focusing in on the 16 remaining class 3 and class 4 teams plus Lamar in southwest Missouri, because of course Lamar wants to play with the bigger schools and has proven they can. Take Buffalo off the list because they are on a far edge of southwest Missouri and have chosen to join the Ozarks Highland Conference starting in 2018-19.

This leaves 15 teams, which is basically the newly expanding Big 8’s 14 total teams due to the merger of the old Big 8 and the current Small COC (less Bolivar), but also adding Bolivar into the mix for 15 total teams. Create three divisions of 5 teams each, call them what you want (Red, White and Blue for sake of the example).

Red consists of, generally speaking, the five largest (McDonald County, Marshfield, Bolivar, Nevada, and Rogersville). White is Lamar, Seneca, Cassville, Monett, and Aurora. Blue is Reeds Spring, Catholic, Hollister, Mt. Vernon, and East Newton, generally the five smallest with some exceptions due to geography and long-time rivalries superseding enrollment in the Red White and Blue divisions.

Each year, speaking of football, you play the other four teams in your division, plus 3 from one of the other divisions and 2 from the third division. The following year, in addition to your own division games, you play the other 2 and other 3 that you didn’t play the preceding year. This would seem to work fine, and for those who argue that you can’t crown a true champion, sorry, but they are now going to have that in the newly expanded 14-team Big 8 anyway.

Bolivar doesn’t seem out of place here. Two schools in the expanded Big 8 are larger and 3 more are within 100 students in size. Others a little smaller such as Cassville, Seneca, and the old Small COC schools are all comfortable playing Bolivar, I’m sure, as of course would be the smallest of them all, Lamar.

As for basketball and other sports, with 15 teams you’d pretty much have a good chunk of your season scheduling put in place for you with up to 14 built-in opponents for you, depending on the sport. Farthest drive between any two Big 8 schools would be something like Hollister/Nevada which is 160 miles 2.5 hours all on four lane highways, or Bolivar/McDonald County which is 120 miles or two hours, all on four-lane highways.

First year opponents for Bolivar (example): Nevada, Rogersville, Marshfield, McDonald County, Lamar, Monett, Cassville, Reeds Spring, Catholic.

Lamar: Seneca, Cassville, Monett, Aurora, Bolivar, Nevada, Catholic, Reeds Spring, Mt. Vernon.

The above looks like pretty good football schedules for both of these schools in the example.
 
Big flaw with my aforementioned 15 team plan. Without an even number, somebody has a bye every week. Which makes it impossible to get the 9 conference games in. I guess you could still play the 8 conference games and then you have to find someone else to play in your off week, which is a bit hard with so many area teams locked into all conference schedules.
 
It really does seem as though the Big 8 East is Bolivar's best option, assuming they can find a suitable team to join the Big 8 West and even things out (and assuming the Big 8 schools would accept Bolivar...)

I like the sound of a Big 8 conference with two divisions of 8 (but that's just because I like semetry in nomenclature :D)
 
It really does seem as though the Big 8 East is Bolivar's best option, assuming they can find a suitable team to join the Big 8 West and even things out (and assuming the Big 8 schools would accept Bolivar...)

I like the sound of a Big 8 conference with two divisions of 8 (but that's just because I like semetry in nomenclature :D)
Bring on the Pittsburg Purple Dragons!
 
Therein lies the problem; a quick look at the MSHSAA website and there are no Class 3 or 4 teams in the area of the Big 8 West to join with Bolivar. The Libs would have to wait for a team to either leave the East, or wait for a team to leave their current conference to join the West (again, this is all assuming the schools in the new Big 8 would accept Bolivar...)
 
Hard to think of options that don't require breaking up existing arrangements to some degree but I'll share what comes to mind anyways.

Someone else mentioned Rolla leaving the OC to join Union, Washington (places that are actually close to them) and Bolivar taking their place. Seems reasonable for everyone involved if Rolla could find a home.

Another similar idea... Rolla leaves the OC, Branson takes their place. Then Bolivar takes Branson's place in the COC.

Maybe something with the likes of Clinton, Sedalia, Harrisonville, Nevada, etc. West central MO teams. Maybe there is a conference up that way that isn't already stuffed like the big 8, COC, OC are.

A more complicated scheme...break up the COC and go back to smaller conferences. Then those conferences have affiliations, somewhat like that was discussed in the other thread. Or you could call the whole thing the Southwest Power Conference with an east and west division. Doesn't really matter.

Example:

Western Ozark Conference: Joplin, WC, CJ, Neosho, Carthage. Maybe include Pittsburg KS either informally or formally - I think Pburg is presently unaffilited and has some similar geography woes as Bolivar (on their side of the state line at least) so this might help them as well. Maybe Nevada could find a place in this as well?

Central Ozark Conference: Republic, Ozark, Nixa, Bolivar, Willard, Branson. Of course Bolivar is substantially smaller than all these.

The members play every other member in their conference/division plus some from the other conference/division on a rotational basis. Pittsburg may opt out of the rotational thing so they can play Ft Scott and some other KS teams and because their season doesn't align exactly with MO. Maybe a town in the east that would do the same thing to keep it balanced - play the COC but not participate in the WOC rotation.

In some sports you could play all teams from both conferences and have an overall champion. In football you would only have a division champ.
Getting all that in place would be next to impossible but I think it would work well it could be arranged.

Pittsburg is still in the SEK conference for all sports except football. Due to the new 5A playoff rules in Kansas opted out of league play (all other schools 4A) to play a 5A schedule for seeding purposes. The still play one 4A team traditional rival) Fort Scott. Playing Missouri schools who would be 5A in Kansas to save on travel to more western Kansas teams.
 
What if we just went to a district set up like other states. Then no one would care what conference Bolivar was in because it wouldn't have anything to do with football. Girls tennis and the other sports I'm sure could find a conference home somewhere.
 
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What about Truman Lake Conference:
Clinton
Warrensburg
Nevada
Harrisonville
Bolivar
P Hill

Travel would be an issue here also, but Harrisonville to Bolivar, is only 38 miles more than Harrisonville to Excelsior. And a much easier drive than going through the city on most days.
So, why would Harrisonville and P Hill want to do this? So that they can play worse competition that the MRVC West provides, and with likely more travel miles?
 
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