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Is it to early for a discussion on Coaches whose job might be in jeopardy?

No dog in the fight and have no clue of any myself. Just curious and always love the top notch discussions on this board!
 
Take a chill pill. It's barely October.
Damn wannabes...
With only 2 regular season games and then districts, there’s a chance some could get the ax in a little over 3 weeks.
Was just curious to see who might be on the hot seat🤷‍♂️
 
Nothing but speculation here but Ozarks Dupee is in his 8th yr and is currently 31-50. Perrys building something special in Nixa. I’m curious if Ozark continues with him while their rival gets built into a potential class 6 power or if they go in a different direction.
 
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Dupee at Ozark has to go. There is more than enough talent at Ozark to be way better than they are. There are coaches not on staff in that town that would do way better if given the opportunity.
 
Ozark has 2 really good junior high teams. I think they could get a better coach based on that. Ozark needs a coach that gets kids out to play football. There are a lot of athletes and that school that don't play football. That is what Perry did at Nixa.
 
Ozark has 2 really good junior high teams. I think they could get a better coach based on that. Ozark needs a coach that gets kids out to play football. There are a lot of athletes and that school that don't play football. That is what Perry did at Nixa.
Honestly that can be said about alot of schools today. There was a time when all high schools no matter the size had a Freshmen JV and Varsity team. Today many school can barely field a decent Varsity and JV forget about the freshmen.

Schools IMHO don't make it easy for kids who want to participate in athletics today. Many schools had 7th hour athletics you started an hour earlier and let the kids out an hour earlier. Kids then had more time for Homework jobs and Family. School admins say they want what's best for kids but then want to make it harder to participate in sports. Yet you practice Band, Speech and Debate Choir just to name a few all during school hours? Why not start sports the last hour? They are all extra circular activates? Then take basketball where you might have to get up at 4 just to make a practice because you don't have enough GYMs... just seems weird to me no wonder many kids and parents don't want to be part of it, especially today when many parents are working two jobs hard to get kids to all these places.
 
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Honestly that can be said about alot of schools today. There was a time when all high schools no matter the size had a Freshmen JV and Varsity team. Today many school can barely field a decent Varsity and JV forget about the freshmen.

Schools IMHO don't make it easy for kids who want to participate in athletics today. Many schools had 7th hour athletics you started an hour earlier and let the kids out an hour earlier. Kids then had more time for Homework jobs and Family. School admins say they want what's best for kids but then want to make it harder to participate in sports. Yet you practice Band, Speech and Debate Choir just to name a few all during school hours? Why not start sports the last hour? They are all extra circular activates? Then take basketball where you might have to get up at 4 just to make a practice because you don't have enough GYMs... just seems weird to me no wonder many kids and parents don't want to be part of it, especially today when many parents are working to jobs hard to kid kids to all these places.
Kinda what happens when you let the nerds run the schools. Meanwhile, the product academically hasn't changed a whole lot. It's such a strange thing to see happen though.
 
Kinda what happens when you let the nerds run the schools. Meanwhile, the product academically hasn't changed a whole lot. It's such a strange thing to see happen though.
I might venture to say academically we might be worse... If it was not for letting kids now days turn in homework late take test multilabel times so they can pass. I just shake my head sometimes. I understand we want to hold kids accountable... but some kids need that team atmosphere and the coaches leadership more than the team needs them especially coming from so many broken homes. To take all of that away and make it harder for kids who don't have parents who will work to get them to practices just makes no since to me.

Anybody ever listen to Brad Johnson very interesting guy. https://twitter.com/DrBradJohnson
 
I might venture to say academically we might be worse... If it was not for letting kids now days turn in homework late take test multilabel times so they can pass. I just shake my head sometimes. I understand we want to hold kids accountable... but some kids need that team atmosphere and the coaches leadership more than the team needs them especially coming from so many broken homes. To take all of that away and make it harder for kids who don't have parents who will work to get them to practices just makes no since to me.

Anybody ever listen to Brad Johnson very interesting guy. https://twitter.com/DrBradJohnson
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I might venture to say academically we might be worse... If it was not for letting kids now days turn in homework late take test multilabel times so they can pass. I just shake my head sometimes. I understand we want to hold kids accountable... but some kids need that team atmosphere and the coaches leadership more than the team needs them especially coming from so many broken homes. To take all of that away and make it harder for kids who don't have parents who will work to get them to practices just makes no since to me.

Anybody ever listen to Brad Johnson very interesting guy. https://twitter.com/DrBradJohnson
For the record, I was speaking mostly of the finished product. Test scores and the measuring sticks. But totally agreed, the process now is severely flawed. When elementary retention and ability grouping in subject areas became bad, we lost the ability to individualize content in larger settings. It's been going on long enough that it's prevalent now in the upper grades. It's an absolute mess.
 
Nothing but speculation here but Ozarks Dupee is in his 8th yr and is currently 31-50. Perrys building something special in Nixa. I’m curious if Ozark continues with him while their rival gets built into a potential class 6 power or if they go in a different direction.
I was definitely going to add - how long are the fine citizens of Ozark going to continue to accept the results of Tiger Varsity Football… it’s honestly the worst play I’ve seen in many years now. I know there are talented and experienced coaches there who would get better results given the opportunity to run that program.
 
I’ve learnt several new words in this thread. Fun to fire guys in October.
 
Probably not coaches and if you are a coach then I hope the same thing happens to you. This is why I always told my wife after we had kids not to take them to games. Winning or losing you always got idiots who think they can do better without knowing details of the job. One of my toughest jobs I had struggles with parents, administration, players, teachers and town's people. This ain't college or pros. So to be talking about high school coaches losing their jobs I hope those tables turn on you.
 
Probably not coaches and if you are a coach then I hope the same thing happens to you. This is why I always told my wife after we had kids not to take them to games. Winning or losing you always got idiots who think they can do better without knowing details of the job. One of my toughest jobs I had struggles with parents, administration, players, teachers and town's people. This ain't college or pros. So to be talking about high school coaches losing their jobs I hope those tables turn on you.
Technically you aren't losing your job - your job is a teacher. Just losing the side hustle.
 
Coaches are well aware of the pressure to win in sports. There will be other coaching and teaching jobs for them to accept within another school district.
 
Probably not coaches and if you are a coach then I hope the same thing happens to you. This is why I always told my wife after we had kids not to take them to games. Winning or losing you always got idiots who think they can do better without knowing details of the job. One of my toughest jobs I had struggles with parents, administration, players, teachers and town's people. This ain't college or pros. So to be talking about high school coaches losing their jobs I hope those tables turn on you.
May I give this 100 thumbs up?????
 
May I give this 100 thumbs up????
Back in the day I was guilty of this to some degree especially here at KTown. Chalk it up to being SPOILED by success and forgetting what all of this entails. HOPEFULLY since 2017 I have been better...............but very much invite any of you to call me out if/when I ever go there again.
 
Back in the day I was guilty of this to some degree especially here at KTown. Chalk it up to being SPOILED by success and forgetting what all of this entails. HOPEFULLY since 2017 I have been better...............but very much invite any of you to call me out if/when I ever go there again.

I think we all forget that these are just men coaching 14-17 year old boys who also have a lot of things going on in thier lives besides football. Coaches are more than just coaches everyday, and more can be said about the man than just his win lose record. I have a lot more respect for what these guys do everyday and that is not to say they are all great, but most get into coaching not just for the sport but because they love game and the kids. You have too, because lord knows the money ant great in most cases and you don't always get a lot of love from the community, win or lose.
 
I think we all forget that these are just men coaching 14-17 year old boys who also have a lot of things going on in thier lives besides football. Coaches are more than just coaches everyday, and more can be said about the man than just his win lose record. I have a lot more respect for what these guys do everyday and that is not to say they are all great, but most get into coaching not just for the sport but because they love game and the kids. You have too, because lord knows the money ant great in most cases and you don't always get a lot of love from the community, win or lose.
A very solid point they aren't all great AND I've met (never naming so don't even ask) a few big time jerks in my lifetime. Being great at anything doesn't make one a great person BUT respecting the profession is paramount so, again, hopefully I don't ever come across the wrong way when critiquing anything. HUGE difference from calling for someone's job.
 
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I think we all forget that these are just men coaching 14-17 year old boys who also have a lot of things going on in thier lives besides football. Coaches are more than just coaches everyday, and more can be said about the man than just his win lose record. I have a lot more respect for what these guys do everyday and that is not to say they are all great, but most get into coaching not just for the sport but because they love game and the kids. You have too, because lord knows the money ant great in most cases and you don't always get a lot of love from the community, win or lose.
I agree with your statements but you and I have both known some (and I don't limit it to just school based programs) who had no business attempting to coach. I always maintained that to be a good coach you have to be a good teacher and to be a great coach (won/loss record does not necessarily correspond) you have to be a great teacher. There are some who are just not good teachers even though their other attributes are acceptable. JMO
 
I agree with your statements but you and I have both known some (and I don't limit it to just school based programs) who had no business attempting to coach. I always maintained that to be a good coach you have to be a good teacher and to be a great coach (won/loss record does not necessarily correspond) you have to be a great teacher. There are some who are just not good teachers even though their other attributes are acceptable. JMO

Totally agree there a some who really have no business coaching or teaching...
But hard to judge a man on just wins and losses. Some years you just don't have the Jimmy and Joes no matter what Mom and dad think, its real easy talk about what you would do and coach a "mythical" state champion team from the comfort of the stands.
 
Totally agree there a some who really have no business coaching or teaching...
But hard to judge a man on just wins and losses. Some years you just don't have the Jimmy and Joes no matter what Mom and dad think, its real easy talk about what you would do and coach a "mythical" state champion team from the comfort of the stands.
Oh come on. You and I know, if a group won some games in PeeWee Football they should automatically be State Champ contenders or it has to be the Coach's fault.
 
I think in the grander scheme, a lot of districts make the decision to retain/release coaches based on many factors. Granted, you're always going to have boards that tend to go rogue but I feel like the majority of ADs and admins are basing their board recommendations based on many factors. Wins and losses would obviously be one, but especially at the HS level, shouldn't be the only factor. I've seen many coaches win a lot of games that probably needed to be released. Seen many coaches that lose a lot of games that probably needed to be retained. And have seen a lot of things in between. I'm not sure a jerk that wins a lot of games deserves to be released merely because some perceive that person to be a jerk. Nor do I think a nice guy that loses a lot should be retained merely because he's a good person. The decision is never an easy one, on either side. All coaches are humans and most have families. And you also want what is best for the student-athlete. You want them to be coached, and coached well, but you also want them to learn life lessons as well. Kinda complicated, huh?
 
Honestly that can be said about alot of schools today. There was a time when all high schools no matter the size had a Freshmen JV and Varsity team. Today many school can barely field a decent Varsity and JV forget about the freshmen.

Schools IMHO don't make it easy for kids who want to participate in athletics today. Many schools had 7th hour athletics you started an hour earlier and let the kids out an hour earlier. Kids then had more time for Homework jobs and Family. School admins say they want what's best for kids but then want to make it harder to participate in sports. Yet you practice Band, Speech and Debate Choir just to name a few all during school hours? Why not start sports the last hour? They are all extra circular activates? Then take basketball where you might have to get up at 4 just to make a practice because you don't have enough GYMs... just seems weird to me no wonder many kids and parents don't want to be part of it, especially today when many parents are working two jobs hard to get kids to all these places.
I like you take on this. I agree. I remember many of my teachers and admin who were once coaches, and they got it. I always correlate athletic success to academic success. Schools make it harder and mshsaa makes it harder on coaches to spend the time with their athletes outside of season. Specializing is also a major contributor to lack of participation in multiple sports.
 
I think in the grander scheme, a lot of districts make the decision to retain/release coaches based on many factors. Granted, you're always going to have boards that tend to go rogue but I feel like the majority of ADs and admins are basing their board recommendations based on many factors. Wins and losses would obviously be one, but especially at the HS level, shouldn't be the only factor. I've seen many coaches win a lot of games that probably needed to be released. Seen many coaches that lose a lot of games that probably needed to be retained. And have seen a lot of things in between. I'm not sure a jerk that wins a lot of games deserves to be released merely because some perceive that person to be a jerk. Nor do I think a nice guy that loses a lot should be retained merely because he's a good person. The decision is never an easy one, on either side. All coaches are humans and most have families. And you also want what is best for the student-athlete. You want them to be coached, and coached well, but you also want them to learn life lessons as well. Kinda complicated, huh?
No set formula that is for sure! You touched on the major part the KIDS. They will tell you on and off the field how well they are being coached/taught. As one who hires, trains and has coached/mentored adults in Industry I can tell you having particularly a team athletics background seems to be a winner. No absolutes but those young men/women tend to be more reliable, have better attitudes and see the "bigger picture" and tend to stick around longer.
 
Bottom line is that coaches' jobs rest in the hands of 7 people. If 1 or 2 are upset, it is easy to get 3 and 4 against the coach and he/she will be gone no matter how good they are at teaching or coaching. I had an admin tell me he did not care about my teaching evaluation because it did not matter what he wrote down if I did not win games. I could be the teacher of the year and be gone if the results were not right.
 
Bottom line is that coaches' jobs rest in the hands of 7 people. If 1 or 2 are upset, it is easy to get 3 and 4 against the coach and he/she will be gone no matter how good they are at teaching or coaching. I had an admin tell me he did not care about my teaching evaluation because it did not matter what he wrote down if I did not win games. I could be the teacher of the year and be gone if the results were not right.
yep, Coaches get fired, teachers don't
 
Heres what I hate and I will say it. I coached at Lamar and we won 7 in a row state championships. WELL AWESOME- we got a ring and a trophy and you know what- I looked at mine in the gun case the other day - they are starting to fade and Im sure the trophy has a little dust on it. But you know what WE are extremely proud of- Many of our young men are now successful men, fathers and successful in life. If all I teach you is to block and tackle then I have failed you.
Coaches are judged on wins and losses by alot, but sometimes you ahve to look a little deeper and see the impact the coach is having upon the kids, how are they behaving in school, how are they behaving in the community, what is their grades like. That should go alot deeper than the wins and losses, and its funny, sometimes a coach cant get kids out because the kids just dont want to work as hard as the coach is pushing them. That is integrity when the coach refuses to lower his standards just to get wins.
Winning is just one part of a coaches job, the rest is much deeper than that. If a district lets go of a coach who is doing those things and being a father, uncle figure to all kids in the school, but doesn't get as many wins- they dont deserve a coach of that caliber.
 
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Heres what I hate and I will say it. I coached at Lamar and we won 7 in a row state championships. WELL AWESOME- we got a ring and a trophy and you know what- I looked at mine in the gun case the other day - they are starting to fade and Im sure the trophy has a little dust on it. But you know what WE are extremely proud of- Many of our young men are now successful men, fathers and successful in life. If all I teach you is to block and tackle then I have failed you.
Coaches are judged on wins and losses by alot, but sometimes you ahve to look a little deeper and see the impact the coach is having upon the kids, how are they behaving in school, how are they behaving in the community, what is their grades like. That should go alot deeper than the wins and losses, and its funny, sometimes a coach cant get kids out because the kids just dont want to work as hard as the coach is pushing them. That is integrity when the coach refuses to lower his standards just to get wins.
Winning is just one part of a coaches job, the rest is much deeper than that. If a district lets go of a coach who is doing those things and being a father, uncle figure to all kids in the school, but doesn't get as many wins- they dont deserve a coach of that caliber.
Generational/societal changes play a part, too. This has morphed into a great thread.............
 
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