Fall sports will be announced on August 17. When will class and district assignments be announced for basketball?
Class and District Assignments
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Winter Sports Nov 9th as per Official Handbook page 14 http://www.mshsaa.org/resources/pdf/Official Handbook.pdf
mshsaa is waiting to announce classes and district sites until after the first 2 weeks of practice. The idea being that most teams (typically small Class 1) that are going to "fold" will do so in the first 2 weeks and then they can get set up our assignments more accurately.
will SJ Christian stay Class 1?
will Mercer stay NW or move back to NE?
What will happen with N Andrew and Stanberry?
Mound City and Jefferson in the same district?
PCole....there is an old cranky newspaper man up North by that name.
things are pretty dull in the BB world if this is the best we have to talk about. lol.
will Mercer stay NW or move back to NE?
What will happen with N Andrew and Stanberry?
Mound City and Jefferson in the same district?
PCole....there is an old cranky newspaper man up North by that name.
things are pretty dull in the BB world if this is the best we have to talk about. lol.
I think SJC is going C2. Their 9-11 classes were about 30 kids each. With the multiplier, I think that puts them in C2, but it does depend on movement of others too.
It’s MSHSAA. Do they ever really make sense?
So if SJC has about 90 in 9-11 last year, with the multiplier, it would be 120ish. I would be very surprised if they are not C2 this year. I also expect LeBlond to drop to C2 (about 40 per class). It will be interesting having them in the same district.
Since the enrollment numbers on MSHSAA someone going to figure out the cut-off for basketball classes? The hard part for me is not knowing who all co-ops for basketball among the smallest enrollment schools
enrollment numbers here...what were the class breakdowns? regarding number of schools per class? https://www.mshsaa.org/CMSPages/201819EnrollmentFigures.aspx
YDKM finally chimes in. we needed your keen insight. ha ha. Wahoolives is correct. You have to know the CO-OP schools before trying to draw lines....in NW MO there are several....East Harrison (Cainsville/Ridgeway), East Atchison (Fairfax/Tarkio), Gilman City/N. Daviess...Mound City/Craig, Macon County/Bucklin.....and however many more elsewhere in the state. Come on YDKM, create us some pie graphs and diagrams to show the breakdowns. Maybe a venn diagram?
As much as I'm excited to make my famous geographical representation for the top 10 in the state...I just can't get excited until I know where everyone stands!
Do all the schools listed have a basketball team? Ex. Missouri school for the Blind and some of the schools at the bottom of the list?
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If they do the top 79 schools in Class 5 then Parkway Central at 986 is the smallest class 5 school. Could be a wide range of enrollment in class 4. Could be schools with enrollments a little under 400 all the way up to schools with almost a 1,000. To me that is a big range with some schools I consider small with enrollments around 400 having to play class 4.
Classification in each sport is done by the gender with the greatest number of participating schools. In basketball, there are more boys teams than girls teams, so I saw there were 79 boys teams in the last cycle and went from there. In the last cycle there were only 78 girls teams but, because of single sex schools, a total of 82 overall.
I think the Tarkio co-op bounced them to Class 2 last time. Any other co-ops in Class 2?
I think the Tarkio co-op bounced them to Class 2 last time. Any other co-ops in Class 2?
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so class by class...how many schools will be in each? about 80 in the top one, then how many per other classes?
Per MSHSAA By-Laws, Basketball starts classifying at the bottom with 128 each in the 3 smakller classes, 96 in Class 4 and Class 5 is the catchall.
If that is the case above then schools 891 and above would be class 5. What does Mshsaa do if there are multiple schools at the cut off of 128 with the same enrollment.
Class 5- 891 above
Class 4-396-890
Class 3- 175-392
Class 2- 92-173
Class 1-91 below
Class 5- 891 above
Class 4-396-890
Class 3- 175-392
Class 2- 92-173
Class 1-91 below
This was the item on the April 2017 MSHSAA ballot.
PROPOSAL 12 - (Annual Enrollment Collection and Classification Determination)
(PASSED) - 393 FOR, 97 AGAINST
Amends 5.1.5 and 5.1.6 to allow official enrollments to be reported to
MSHSAA directly, and to base classification on three grades (freshmen, sophomores, and juniors) rather than four grades (9-12).
The people in the MSHSAA office are administrators. They DO NOT set policy. They only enforce the policies set for them. The Board of Control can do some things as directed by the MSHSAA Constitution and By-Laws but this item was not one of them.
The real MSHSAA that people rail against is not in COMO but are the PRINCIPALS of the member institutions of MSHSAA. In this case, as evident from the vote, it was a clear mandate for the MSHSAA administration to make the change.
PROPOSAL 12 - (Annual Enrollment Collection and Classification Determination)
(PASSED) - 393 FOR, 97 AGAINST
Amends 5.1.5 and 5.1.6 to allow official enrollments to be reported to
MSHSAA directly, and to base classification on three grades (freshmen, sophomores, and juniors) rather than four grades (9-12).
The people in the MSHSAA office are administrators. They DO NOT set policy. They only enforce the policies set for them. The Board of Control can do some things as directed by the MSHSAA Constitution and By-Laws but this item was not one of them.
The real MSHSAA that people rail against is not in COMO but are the PRINCIPALS of the member institutions of MSHSAA. In this case, as evident from the vote, it was a clear mandate for the MSHSAA administration to make the change.
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Invicto, I can't argue against anything you said, because I agree. But it is what it is and I just pointed out why it is.
I came up with same numbers bgdt. That said it will probably move to 100 now
Surely there is a coach or administrator on here that is a willing to tell the fans why not counting seniors in enrollment numbers makes any sense.
The explanation is that in order to make it more equitable, in that schools are playing in the class where they belong, MSHSAA members decided to take the numbers every year. Rather than count grades 9-12 for the following year, the decision was made to take grades 9-11 who in turn will be grades 10-12 for the year they are actually playing. So the seniors this year were counted as juniors, it is the freshmen who weren't counted. The reason for not counting 8th graders who are going to be freshmen is that you have to many school districts like Springfield with kids having high school options or k8 schools like around West Plains that have multiple options for high school. The reasoning being is that very few freshmen actually make an impact on varsity sports across the state, and this keeps a really big or small senior class making you play a class above or below where you belong after they have already graduated. Whether you agree or disagree with the reasoning this was decided and approved overwhelmingly by the member schools.
Don't they take enrollment numbers after school starts? If so that would count everybody in school in the current year.
We submitted numbers last spring with grades 9-11 instead of using numbers from last September that included 9-12.
If numbers are true with 100 or lower being Class one then this is a possible breakdown.
Class 1- 100 and below
Class 2- 102-188
Class 3- 189-427
Class 4-429-978
Class 5- 980 above
If this is the case really sucks for the school at 429 students who will play against schools with almost 1,000, while a school with 427 will play against schools with less than 200. I guess there has to be a cut off somewhere but MSHSAA is wanting to do this new system to be fair but class 4 is always a tough breakdown.
Class 1- 100 and below
Class 2- 102-188
Class 3- 189-427
Class 4-429-978
Class 5- 980 above
If this is the case really sucks for the school at 429 students who will play against schools with almost 1,000, while a school with 427 will play against schools with less than 200. I guess there has to be a cut off somewhere but MSHSAA is wanting to do this new system to be fair but class 4 is always a tough breakdown.
If you figure the percent from the smallest to the biggest in each class most of them will have a school with about 50% more students in it across the board. I don't think there is an easy answer to this one?
Let us not forget the private schools and the open rules they get to operate in either...it's unfortunate, but I also understand there isn't a clear answer.
