Class 4 District 8 Best and Deepest in the state
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MsHAa isn't a strong nuanced or accurate a predictor. It is weighted differently. But make no mistake,games between #3 to # 6 wouldn't even be close.
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Absolutely amazing program no doubt! Never will hear me say one negative word about JRod (for my money the best HC in MO ever, a mouthful for sure). As for this year you all are still favorites I am just not sure anyone up here has the balance to knock Webb off. But there is time and I finally get to see games in person beginning this Friday!
You acknowledged it was a mouthful but did you consider Dewey Combs? There is a guy in Lamar who turned a perennial cellar dweller into a perennial state champ.
Not saying you are wrong but that is a huge mouthful.
I am not sold on the Ozark Conference. Time will tell on that once districts arrive. Camdenton has a rich history and West Plains has been up and down for a while. We are only 4 weeks away from getting answers to our questions.
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Great stink bait - you're not really trying to make an argument that D8 is stronger because of Smithville & Excelsior - are you? Kearney, Webb, CJ & PC are the teams here...if ES had a qb, Jones probably would have recruited him and stayed home.
This is a good point. The tough part of getting a read on the Ozark conference is that they play no non-conf games so you can only measure the teams against one another. in the jamboree Joplin really struggled against WC and Seneca more than held their own against Joplin, But a jamboree is just a practice and it turns out Seneca is pretty good this year.
Prior to the last couple weeks it looked like West Plains and Camdenton might be top 8 caliber teams. They may yet be but WP losing the last couple weeks and the points that Camdenton has given up gives me pause. If Bolivar was where they have been the last 10 years or so the district would be stronger but they are clearly down and Mac County and Marshfield might be marginally better but still not at the level of the rest of the district.
I think only hindsight will show what district is toughest but district 8 looks like,the toughest, My gut feeling is Kearney still is the class of the district but there are 4-5 teams that look pretty solid.
Top: I don't necessarily disagree with your conclusion about JRod but I would have to put Pete Adkins and Dewey Combs in that conversation. That is a discussion that could go on and on but JRod isn't done yet, so...............
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Adkins no doubt. Could go even farther and include Bob Shore. Before Webb became Webb in medium enrollment MO HSFB there was Camdenton.
Just had this conversation Friday night at the game. People always said JC won because they were, well they were huge. Guess what, they are still huge.
Warsaw was special till Morrow quit too.
Warsaw was special till Morrow quit too.
Excellent point. Loved talking football with him also. True story, he was never going to be very good next year and he maintained that adamantly until at least midway through that next year. By then, of course, he couldn't get anyone to listen because the results didn't match his narrative.
You are right and you are right about Randy. He took the smallest enrollment in the conference and dealt the big boys fits. And, didn't he get Adrian rolling before he went to Warsaw?
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I didnt get to see the jamboree but Joplin has a lot of youth in key positions so after two weeks of practice those youngsters were way green. I can't say it as fact but Glendale may not get past Joplin now. The Eagles seem to grow each week. lol but honestly they could also lose the last 3 regular season games . I do like that they seem to be competing. As for the OC vs the COC. I think there is Webb, Carl and the next 7 teams are all close. WP, Leb, Jop, Cam, Car, Ozark and Nixa. Obviously just my opinion.
As for coaches Dewey Combs, Pete Adkins John Roderique wow thats a list.
As for coaches Dewey Combs, Pete Adkins John Roderique wow thats a list.
I bet its been 9/10 years I had to think about it . I bet it was back when Coach Buckmaster was at Joplin.
When you look at Jeff City's streak years ago,,,they played a lot of their games against schools not even half their size.
I'm making the argument that if you line up the eight teams in each district team by team, District 8 goes 6-2 against disrict 5. Excelsior at 5-1 is #5 in District 8. Kearney is #3. The objective analysis of the Calpreps data over 6 games shows that is what would happen.
Well if Calpreps says that then it must be true...
I didn't see any Dist 5 teams in the semis last year. All the same talk last year. However, of course, Webb is better this year. CJ? OKAY. IF you say so.
And I thought we were talking about reality, not SW Mizzoura-centered fantasy.
Hard for me to buy that district being the best when the top 2 teams in C4 are in another district. Along with another ranked (I know, rankings are pretty meaningless, but it's what we've got) team, and a team that has a victory over that ranked team. Pretty large gap from #4-5 probably, but that's as good as it gets at the top.
- 36 years
- 368-98-2
- Average of 10.2 wins per year
- 7 Championship games
- 5 titles
- 25 district championships (I think)
Coach Shore did a ton with workhorse players. Three D-I players in 36 yrs. Took over a program that was not a power house and made it a contender every year. Hard to beat that.
Calpreps says District 5 #4 West Plains 22, District 8 #4 Excelsior Springs 21.
Calpreps also shows District 5 winning the #1 and #2 matchups.
6 thru 8 doesn't matter - no 6, 7 or 8 seeds are going to win first round district games in these two
Districts.
So according to your Calpreps, that's 3 wins for district 5 and only 2 wins for district 8.
Which means district 5 is actually stronger.
As we southwest Missourians like to say, STAMP IT!
However, district 5 also wins two of the three 6-8 matchups, according to your Calpreps, and thus District 5 is also the deeper District.
Seal it.
Now send it home to momma!
Seal it.
Now send it home to momma!
And a little 4A-1 School from Kansas City smokes everyone in Missouri...STAMP THAT.
[2017] Bishop Miege (Shawnee Mission, KS) 31, [2017] Webb City (MO) 17
[2017] Bishop Miege (Shawnee Mission, KS) 38, [2017] Carl Junction (MO) 14
[2017] Bishop Miege (Shawnee Mission, KS) 38, [2017] Trinity Catholic (St. Louis, MO) 12
[2017] Bishop Miege (Shawnee Mission, KS) 40, [2017] Christian Brothers (St. Louis, MO) 27
Dumbest post of the year....
In your thread that you entitled "Class 4 District 8 Best and Deepest in the state" your last argument is about how good a certain Kansas team is?
District 8 looks really good, no doubt about it. But unfortunately your follow-up posts have just caused your bold statement to lose most of its credibility.
Really nothing to do with this thread but would agree Bishop Miege could play with any Missouri team. Reason I think Rockhurst has not been that #1 powerhouse lately some of those kids (parents) have chosen BM over the Rock.
Correct. They had a great coach then.
It would be pretty hard for them to play larger schools too.
Yeah with some of the championship teams WC has had it is very difficult to asset that after 6 weeks that this year's team is better than all but a few of these defenses. It is still a work in progress. I would say that this year's WC unit has given up a few big plays but still is one of the best WC has had against the pass. Very good at getting turnovers against spread passing teams which most teams are nowadays. If 9 weeks from now WC has another title and the defense played the way it has in the second half of the games so far this year the rest of the way then it is a conversation to have. In the meantime let's say it is a ball hawking defense that has shown the ability to make big plays.
As far as the original thread goes district 5 clearly looked like the strongest 2 weeks ago but right now on paper overall district 8 looks slightly better IMO. As only the champs of each district will possibly meet it can really only be compared after a potential semifinal at which point few if any people will care. District 8 will look stronger or weaker based on a few match-ups coming up. I still like Kearney to come out of the district but I am keeping an eye on Smithville.
Vanity before the fall...just like Kearney is not beating Webb in 2015 or 2002?
Once again, I would never overlook anyone. To say Kearney is not a good football team (program) would be stupid. They always have a chance to win against whomever because they have before. Also, as we always know, the best team on paper does not always win. You can ask several teams WC has played over the years and I am sure Kearney as well. FYI there is no vanity here. Just a funny.....Is there only 2 years that you can find this happened? Not bad I guess.
