Class 3 fact checkers needed

[cardsfan200306]

School	Private/Public	Enrollment
Aurora	public	448
Benton	public	497
Blair Oaks	public	326
Boonville	public	460
Buffalo	public	386
California	public	348
Cameron	public	345
Cassville	public	477
Central Kc	public	469
Chillicothe	public	426
Clinton	public	477
Cuba	public	333
Dexter	public	411
Duchesne	private	172
East Newton	public	353
Eldon	public	459
Forsyth	public	326
Fredericktown	public	456
Fulton	public	494
Hallsville	public	337
Herculaneum	public	348
Hollister	public	324
John Burroughs	private	346
Kennett	public	391
Knob Noster and Leeton	public	429
Lafayette St. Joseph	public	492
Lift For Life	private	276
Lutheran South	private	412
Maryville	public	381
Moberly	public	481
Mount Vernon	public	368
Mountain Grove	public	340
Northeast KC	public	473
Oak Grove	public	458
Odessa	public	492
Owensville	public	417
Park Hills Central	public	465
Potosi	public	506
Principia and Whitfield	private	336
Reeds Springs	public	448
Richmond	public	361
Salem	public	451
Seneca	public	373
Southern Boone	public	416
St. Francis Borgia	private	345
St. Michael the Archangel	private	353
St.Charles West	public	491
St.Clair	public	507
St.James	public	366
Ste Gen	public	404
Strafford	public	324
Summit Christian	private	294
University Academy and Ewing Marion	private	455
Versailles	public	323
Winfield	public	397
Wright City	public	432

 

[J. Kane]

 

[OldeCoach]

….so Duchesne has 172 students…. More than half as many as almost all the other schools in class 3???
Record for 2024 was 1-9!!!
Take out their only win against an out of state private academy that had to be MS caliber competition and they averaged one TD a game!!!
Gave up an average of a bunch!!!
And the “success factor” puts them in class 3 !!!

And all “privates” are the same??? Please explain!!!

 

[cardsfan200306]

….so Duchesne has 172 students…. More than half as many as almost all the other schools in class 3???
Record for 2024 was 1-9!!!
Take out their only win against an out of state private academy that had to be MS caliber competition and they averaged one TD a game!!!
Gave up an average of a bunch!!!
And the “success factor” puts them in class 3 !!!

And all “privates” are the same??? Please explain!!!

there are public schools that go undefeated and some that go winless they are the same in that they cannot recruit.
Duchesne was a semi finalist in 22 and district champ in 20 they earned their 3 points. as for win loss this year their failure to recruit doesnt mean we let them out of their champ factor. they are the same as all privates as they can recruit without punishment.

 

[HHSX2]

they are the same as all privates as they can recruit without punishment.

So when a private wins and they get moved up a class or two that is not punishment?

 

[J. Kane]

So when a private wins and they get moved up a class or two that is not punishment?

 

[cardsfan200306]

So when a private wins and they get moved up a class or two that is not punishment?

no thats an equalizer for the unfair advantage of being able to recruit. I will never understand why privates complain about the field being leveled. most if not all act like they have no advantage or that the publics should just deal with the advantage and say thank you for the opportunity to play lmao

 

[J. Kane]

no thats an equalizer for the unfair advantage of being able to recruit. I will never understand why privates complain about the field being leveled. most if not all act like they have no advantage or that the publics should just deal with the advantage and say thank you for the opportunity to play lmao

 

[HHSX2]

no thats an equalizer for the unfair advantage of being able to recruit. I will never understand why privates complain about the field being leveled. most if not all act like they have no advantage or that the publics should just deal with the advantage and say thank you for the opportunity to play lmao

I agree it is an equalizer. But it is also a punishment for winning. Do I believe that privates have an advantage? Yes but not as big as everyong in here makes it out to be. The schools who skirt the rules will either just move to a different school and start all over again or they are to big to get the punishement. Until MSHAA cracks down on them it will continue to happen. But the make private their own class is not really an option either. Can you imagine if we just did away with classes and everyone has to play no matter the schools size in public. The tears would wash this site out but that is what you are wanting to do with privates. What is good for the goose is good for the gander? RIght? If you dont like the rules of the club your school joined tell them leave. People on here think its a government operation. Its not. It is a glorified club which you are free to leave at any time. I wish it was as easy as just seperate privates and public. Personally I am in favor of the championship factor for everyone. I would sure as hell rather win a state championship in a class or two above were you should be.

 

[cardsfan200306]

I agree it is an equalizer. But it is also a punishment for winning. Do I believe that privates have an advantage? Yes but not as big as everyong in here makes it out to be. The schools who skirt the rules will either just move to a different school and start all over again or they are to big to get the punishement. Until MSHAA cracks down on them it will continue to happen. But the make private their own class is not really an option either. Can you imagine if we just did away with classes and everyone has to play no matter the schools size in public. The tears would wash this site out but that is what you are wanting to do with privates. What is good for the goose is good for the gander? RIght? If you dont like the rules of the club your school joined tell them leave. People on here think its a government operation. Its not. It is a glorified club which you are free to leave at any time. I wish it was as easy as just seperate privates and public. Personally I am in favor of the championship factor for everyone. I would sure as hell rather win a state championship in a class or two above were you should be.

Separating them is fair and can be done successfully as proven by other states. The champ factor should not apply to publics as they don't have an advantage over other publics. The champ factor can work but not with a 2 class cap and not with 8 points needed to do it. There will be no perfect answer to all as noone can agree but i think most of us agree the current model isnt working.

 

[OldeCoach]

From my observations on this board I see the term “recruit” used loosely!!! The opportunity to recruit opposed to actually contacting a student to persuade them to attend to improve an athletic team are two different things. Duchesne has never been viewed as a football power, yet they have two good years (for them) and are rewarded with a bump in class. The two good years are not even back to back ….and that performance was when next years seniors were in 7th grade and freshmen??? SMH
I no longer care who wins what…private or public…I am more concerned about performance of Missouri students in the classroom….

 

[J. Kane]

I no longer care who wins what…private or public…I am more concerned about performance of Missouri students in the classroom….

 

[thesnow.flakegazette]

Separating them is fair and can be done successfully as proven by other states. The champ factor should not apply to publics as they don't have an advantage over other publics. The champ factor can work but not with a 2 class cap and not with 8 points needed to do it. There will be no perfect answer to all as noone can agree but i think most of us agree the current model isnt working.

There is no "fair" system and separating publics and privates won't create one either. What that will do is create a bigger gap between the haves and have nots for both.

Clearly the current model is working as 3 private schools have won state in the last 2 years

 

[cardsfan200306]

From my observations on this board I see the term “recruit” used loosely!!! The opportunity to recruit opposed to actually contacting a student to persuade them to attend to improve an athletic team are two different things. Duchesne has never been viewed as a football power, yet they have two good years (for them) and are rewarded with a bump in class. The two good years are not even back to back ….and that performance was when next years seniors were in 7th grade and freshmen??? SMH
I no longer care who wins what…private or public…I am more concerned about performance of Missouri students in the classroom….

If you dont care about sports or sports performance and only care about educational performance you should maybe find a educational performance forum to post on. A football forum probably isnt right for your views

 

[cardsfan200306]

There is no "fair" system and separating publics and privates won't create one either. What that will do is create a bigger gap between the haves and have nots for both.

Clearly the current model is working as 3 private schools have won state in the last 2 years

1 i dont think its about just winning the title it is performance overall.
however to try and say that 3 of 12 state titles( 25% ) is working is asinine
if privates made up 25% of participating schools id agree but they dont
there is 34 private schools participating in football 305 total programs (coops as 1)
so 11% of schools winning 25% of titles is not a working format

 

[thesnow.flakegazette]

1 i dont think its about just winning the title it is performance overall.
however to try and say that 3 of 12 state titles( 25% ) is working is asinine
if privates made up 25% of participating schools id agree but they dont
there is 34 private schools participating in football 305 total programs (coops as 1)
so 11% of schools winning 25% of titles is not a working format

That just looks like crybaby BS to me. Lamar and Blair Oaks have won that in the same time frame by themselves.

 

[cardsfan200306]

That just looks like crybaby BS to me. Lamar and Blair Oaks have won that in the same time frame by themselves.

name calling is always the sign of a lost debate.
i will let you be after this one as it appears you dont have anything of substance to being to the conversation at this point.

 

[J. Kane]

name calling is always the sign of a lost debate.
i will let you be after this one as it appears you dont have anything of substance to being to the conversation at this point.

 

[OldeCoach]

If you dont care about sports or sports performance and only care about educational performance you should maybe find an educational performance forum to post on. A football forum probably isnt right for your views

You sir, are twisting and turning my words to make them fit your agenda! No where did I say I don’t “care about sports or sports performance”!!! I said I don’t care if privates or public’s win! I also said I “care more about performance in the classroom”!!!
If you are in the field of education and your priority is football wins over the students success in the classroom, you are a problem.
As you say about name calling…. J Kane referring to me as a loser to make me feel better….??? That is almost funny!!!
Your statement “most of us agree the current model isn’t working” …..meaning those on this board that continually talk down at and bully those with opposing views to the point where those that have opposing views get tired of being bullied and talked down to decide to leave…?????

 

[cardsfan200306]

You sir, are twisting and turning my words to make them fit your agenda! No where did I say I don’t “care about sports or sports performance”!!! I said I don’t care if privates or public’s win! I also said I “care more about performance in the classroom”!!!
If you are in the field of education and your priority is football wins over the students success in the classroom, you are a problem.
As you say about name calling…. J Kane referring to me as a loser to make me feel better….??? That is almost funny!!!
Your statement “most of us agree the current model isn’t working” …..meaning those on this board that continually talk down at and bully those with opposing views to the point where those that have opposing views get tired of being bullied and talked down to decide to leave…?????

i am not twisting and turning them im letting you know their perception and perception is reality in the social world. If you wanna clarify or reword as you did I never have issue with that.
J kane is J kane i do not speak for joey jr.
I am not in an education field now do i agree with the coaches being required to be. if we truly cared about the education of our children we would hire people solely focused on providing the best education and if we wanted the best sports results for our kids we would hire someone solely focused on that and not require someone to juggle both.
The majority of posters do not like mshsaa or their decisions those that agree with them are usually affiliated with a private school. However being talked down to because of differing views is not my style and if anyone does why leave when there is a ignore feature or just don't acknowledge them

 

[thesnow.flakegazette]

name calling is always the sign of a lost debate.
i will let you be after this one as it appears you dont have anything of substance to being to the conversation at this point.

No one called you a name. Get out of your feels.

The same can be said for you. You have offered nothing but “it’s not fair”. Which I’m sorry is BS.

You also have failed to respond to multiple things pointed out to you and instead focus out the points you think you can win.

 

[OldeCoach]

i am not twisting and turning them im letting you know their perception and perception is reality in the social world. If you wanna clarify or reword as you did I never have issue with that.
J kane is J kane i do not speak for joey jr.
I am not in an education field now do i agree with the coaches being required to be. if we truly cared about the education of our children we would hire people solely focused on providing the best education and if we wanted the best sports results for our kids we would hire someone solely focused on that and not require someone to juggle both.
The majority of posters do not like mshsaa or their decisions those that agree with them are usually affiliated with a private school. However being talked down to because of differing views is not my style and if anyone does why leave when there is a ignore feature or just don't acknowledge them

“letting me know their perception” ??? Sorry but you lost me with “their perception”….and no need to clarify or reword so I did not!!!
I agree about J Kane and just included it in the middle of my chuckling!!! 🤣…
I knew you were not in the field of education and I agree with you about hiring purposes…. But… we know that could not happen in a public school setting. Hiring teachers and then filling coaching spots, unfortunately, is the model. A coach, of course, can have a spot made for them ….

 

[Veer2Eternity]

“letting me know their perception” ??? Sorry but you lost me with “their perception”….and no need to clarify or reword so I did not!!!
I agree about J Kane and just included it in the middle of my chuckling!!! 🤣…
I knew you were not in the field of education and I agree with you about hiring purposes…. But… we know that could not happen in a public school setting. Hiring teachers and then filling coaching spots, unfortunately, is the model. A coach, of course, can have a spot made for them ….

you private school boys getting all aflutter.

Phew.

 

[Veer2Eternity]

From my observations on this board I see the term “recruit” used loosely!!! The opportunity to recruit opposed to actually contacting a student to persuade them to attend to improve an athletic team are two different things.

Did the young QB from SG public end up enrolling at Valle after camp last year?

 

[thesnow.flakegazette]

The problem is mass majority of private schools don’t recruit athletes. They recruit students. There is a reason why test scores, graduation rate, college acceptance and graduation rates are so much higher at private schools. They also have a much higher percentage of student actually participating in activities. Recruiters aren’t showing up at AAU or youth football games.

 

[OldeCoach]

No one called you a name. Get out of your feels.

The same can be said for you. You have offered nothing but “it’s not fair”. Which I’m sorry is BS.

You also have failed to respond to multiple things pointed out to you and instead focus out the points you think you can win.

“….failed to respond….” My thoughts also but decided to just shake my head and move on!!!!

 

[Veer2Eternity]

The problem is mass majority of private schools don’t recruit athletes. They recruit students. There is a reason why test scores, graduation rate, college acceptance and graduation rates are so much higher at private schools. They also have a much higher percentage of student actually participating in activities. Recruiters aren’t showing up at AAU or youth football games.

The ONLY reason they are 'higher' is because they cut off the bottom 50% of students. Then they act like it's some amazing teaching or the Lord's work.

Nah.

They do not educate as well as public schools on the whole.

 

[cardsfan200306]

“….failed to respond….” My thoughts also but decided to just shake my head and move on!!!!

I don't told his ass I was done with him after he stated that people wanting private public separation were crybabies. So he warrants no response. You private boys sure get your panties in a bunch when people talk about taking your advantage away and leveling the field. Dont worry mshsaa will never allow your advantage to be taken away.