Clarification

[millerbleach]

While people on this site routinely attemp to disparage Christians and the Bible by pointing out "rules" or requirements they don't agree with or understand, The Bible and being a follower of Christ are pretty simple.

God made man in a perfect relationship. Man sinned and separated themselves from God in a way that man could not restore. The punishment for that sin is ETERNAL separation from God and the peace that exists in that perfect relationship. God showed mercy on man (through no obligation) and provided a way for man to be cleared of that guilt brought by sin. God himself would pay the price (death) of that sin. Anyone who would accept that payment would be cleared of their wrongs. In order to accept that payment that could be paid no other way, man is expected and justly required to lay down his desires in exchange for persuing Gods desires for mans life (as it was before sin). All the rest of the debates arise from man desiring to find ways around this requirement. Everyone wants that restored relationship with God but, everyone wants what they want too. All sin is born of a desire to not have to be what God wants. The Bible is clear that all men fail but God sees the sincere desire of the heart.

While I expect to be attempting to correct many more erroneous statements, please know the above principles are what matter.

 

[vbsideout]

I am not sure that word everyone is correct

 

[Sleepless_in_Jefferson_County]

The only one confused is you. You're a "pick and choose" christianist with a holier than thou attitude and a complete inability to grasp simple concepts like science.

 

[Veer2Eternity]

While people on this site routinely attemp to disparage Christians and the Bible by pointing out "rules" or requirements they don't agree with or understand, The Bible and being a follower of Christ are pretty simple.

God made man in a perfect relationship. Man sinned and separated themselves from God in a way that man could not restore. The punishment for that sin is ETERNAL separation from God and the peace that exists in that perfect relationship. God showed mercy on man (through no obligation) and provided a way for man to be cleared of that guilt brought by sin. God himself would pay the price (death) of that sin. Anyone who would accept that payment would be cleared of their wrongs. In order to accept that payment that could be paid no other way, man is expected and justly required to lay down his desires in exchange for persuing Gods desires for mans life (as it was before sin). All the rest of the debates arise from man desiring to find ways around this requirement. Everyone wants that restored relationship with God but, everyone wants what they want too. All sin is born of a desire to not have to be what God wants. The Bible is clear that all men fail but God sees the sincere desire of the heart.

While I expect to be attempting to correct many more erroneous statements, please know the above principles are what matter.

You pick and choose the comfortable parts of the bible to follow.

It's just that simple.

 

[runyouover]

You aren't very smart. You don't really have a reason for believing the things you believe. You haven't really justified anything with a reasonable amount of clarity. If you follow this made up random nonsense I'm sure Santa will bring you what you want this year.

 

[wcowherd]

Everyone God predestines for salvation.

 

[Bogey Man]

Thank God we have the all knowing Prophet Miller to interpret the entire teachings of the bible and knowing what God wants for each of us. Perhaps you can benefit mankind by writing an appendix or a Newer Testament to the bible. We are blessed to have someone who knows the absolute truth on God's word. Praise be Prophet Miller.

 

[3Rfan]

While people on this site routinely attemp to disparage Christians and the Bible by pointing out "rules" or requirements they don't agree with or understand, The Bible and being a follower of Christ are pretty simple.

God made man in a perfect relationship. Man sinned and separated themselves from God in a way that man could not restore. The punishment for that sin is ETERNAL separation from God and the peace that exists in that perfect relationship. God showed mercy on man (through no obligation) and provided a way for man to be cleared of that guilt brought by sin. God himself would pay the price (death) of that sin. Anyone who would accept that payment would be cleared of their wrongs. In order to accept that payment that could be paid no other way, man is expected and justly required to lay down his desires in exchange for persuing Gods desires for mans life (as it was before sin). All the rest of the debates arise from man desiring to find ways around this requirement. Everyone wants that restored relationship with God but, everyone wants what they want too. All sin is born of a desire to not have to be what God wants. The Bible is clear that all men fail but God sees the sincere desire of the heart.

While I expect to be attempting to correct many more erroneous statements, please know the above principles are what matter.

Miller, since Adam and Eve were the first and only folks on earth at the time how many children did they have and who did they marry so as to multiply?

 

[Duck_walk]

I think I had some of their kids in my class.

 

[Bogey Man]

Miller, I keep buying lottery tickets each week and have not won yet. Since you have intimate knowledge of what God wants for each of us, will I ever be a millionaire or should I stop buying tickets? And by the way, can you find out for me if I am going to heaven or hell? If the answer is hell, I'm going to start sinning my ass off since it won't matter anyway. Thanks in advance for your spiritual guidance.

 

[ag-man]

You are correct Miller,

They can mock, but one day, every knee shall bend, and every head shall bow.

 

[Bogey Man]

You can bend your knee and bow to Miller all you like. I'll pass.

 

[millerbleach]

You are correct Miller,

They can mock, but one day, every knee shall bend, and every head shall bow.

A week after posting this I still find it odd so many people claiming to be Christian have a problem with anything in that post.

 

[millerbleach]

Everyone God predestines for salvation.

Where did I say otherwise?

 

[wcowherd]

Where did I say otherwise?

Just commenting we don't have a choice if we're not chosen.

 

[millerbleach]

Just commenting we don't have a choice if we're not chosen.

Seemed like you were attempting to correct me. Predestination is just another attempt to cloud the simplicity of Gods rescue plan for mankind.

 

[wcowherd]

Seemed like you were attempting to correct me. Predestination is just another attempt to cloud the simplicity of Gods rescue plan for mankind.

*some of mankind. Certainly not all of it.

 

[millerbleach]

*some of mankind. Certainly not all of it.

Why must you argue everything? No one is turned away.

John 3:16
16 “For God so loved the world, that He
gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

 

[wcowherd]

Why must you argue everything? No one is turned away.

John 3:16
16 “For God so loved the world, that He
gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

Whoever God predestines. Scripture is clear about this.

 

[millerbleach]

Whoever God predestines. Scripture is clear about this.

For someone who only cares what Jesus said on homosexuality you sure are hung up on what others said about predestination.

I'll try another angle. What scripture says some want salvation but can't have it?

Rev 22:17
The Spirit and the bride say, "Come." And let the one who hears say, "Come." And let the one who is thirsty come; LET THE ONE WHO WISHES take the water of life without cost.

 

[Bogey Man]

Why must you argue everything? No one is turned away.

John 3:16
16 “For God so loved the world, that He
gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

OK Prophet Miller, with your biblical expertise, explain this religious dilemma I recently encountered...

A guy I grew up with just finished a 18 year prison sentence for drugs. While in prison, he became a self taught prison minister. We were recently discussing his religious beliefs, the Bible, heaven and hell, and sin. He said that organized religion, and Catholics in particular, seem to think that God keeps a scorecard on man's good deeds and sins, and if one's good deeds outweigh one's sins, then they will be saved. He said our life's actions have no bearing on whether or not we enter heaven. He said, just as John 3:16 says, that whoever believes in Jesus Christ and accepts him as our savior will enter heaven. As someone who believes in the Bible, his view caused me to think about my own views. So I asked him knowing that he had inside knowledge of prisoners, "Do you mean that a person can spend their life murdering, raping, and stealing, and all they have to do is on their death bed, express their belief in Jesus Christ as our savior and they will enter heaven?" He said "Yes, the bible says whoever believes in Jesus Christ will have eternal salvation, and it doesn't matter if you accept Jesus as a child, teenager, adult, or on your death bed, or what you have done in your life prior to being saved by accepting Jesus Christ into your life".

This conversation really caused me to think deeper about what I believe. I agree with his perception of Catholics, as I consider myself a non practicing Catholic. Catholics do seem to act like God is keeping a tote board of some kind, as good deeds are praised and encouraged as the path to heaven. Knowing where he has been and as someone who totally turned his life around in prison and became a prison minister, he witnessed hundreds of men who were hard core criminals who turned to God in prison and became changed people.

So there lies my dilemma. Can the most vile, disgusting, murderous people on earth suddenly find God at the end of their life and enter heaven? John 3:16 says yes.

 

[wcowherd]

For someone who only cares what Jesus said on homosexuality you sure are hung up on what others said about predestination.

I'll try another angle. What scripture says some want salvation but can't have it?

Rev 22:17
The Spirit and the bride say, "Come." And let the one who hears say, "Come." And let the one who is thirsty come; LET THE ONE WHO WISHES take the water of life without cost.

So you're saying Paul is wrong?

 

[3Rfan]

Why must you argue everything? No one is turned away.

John 3:16
16 “For God so loved the world, that He
gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

Miller you never answered my question. How many children did Adam and Eve have and who did they married so as mulitply?

 

[millerbleach]

So you're saying Paul is wrong?

No.

 

[millerbleach]

Miller you never answered my question. How many children did Adam and Eve have and who did they married so as mulitply?

I don't think the Bible says how many and since there were no other possibilities, they obviously married each other.

 

[millerbleach]

So you're saying Paul is wrong?

You avoided my question. Which scripture says some who seek salvation can't recieve it? If you don't produce such, you obviously are trying to make scripture say what it doesn't.

 

[wcowherd]

No.

So you do believe God predestines people for salvation?

 

[wcowherd]

You avoided my question. Which scripture says some who seek salvation can't recieve it? If you don't produce such, you obviously are trying to make scripture say what it doesn't.

I already did you dolt. If you believe Paul and believe God predestines people for salvation, then obviously some people are not chosen.

 

[wcowherd]

Ephesians 1 and Romans 8 if you need help with your bible.

 

[Scout 4u]

Surprise!
You can't get rid of me that easily. . .

Miller, you need a little help....

These folks claim to be Christian yet all they can do is condemn.

And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them,
"Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her."

For you out there who believe in the religion of "Man's Science" this of course will mean nothing...

True christian faith is in GOD, not Man...

By the way, i'm sure your Scientology teachings can explain to all of us dumb Christians just what's on the other side of infinity....

Will be awaiting your brilliant answer..

 

[Bogey Man]

OK Prophet Miller, with your biblical expertise, explain this religious dilemma I recently encountered...

A guy I grew up with just finished a 18 year prison sentence for drugs. While in prison, he became a self taught prison minister. We were recently discussing his religious beliefs, the Bible, heaven and hell, and sin. He said that organized religion, and Catholics in particular, seem to think that God keeps a scorecard on man's good deeds and sins, and if one's good deeds outweigh one's sins, then they will be saved. He said our life's actions have no bearing on whether or not we enter heaven. He said, just as John 3:16 says, that whoever believes in Jesus Christ and accepts him as our savior will enter heaven. As someone who believes in the Bible, his view caused me to think about my own views. So I asked him knowing that he had inside knowledge of prisoners, "Do you mean that a person can spend their life murdering, raping, and stealing, and all they have to do is on their death bed, express their belief in Jesus Christ as our savior and they will enter heaven?" He said "Yes, the bible says whoever believes in Jesus Christ will have eternal salvation, and it doesn't matter if you accept Jesus as a child, teenager, adult, or on your death bed, or what you have done in your life prior to being saved by accepting Jesus Christ into your life".

This conversation really caused me to think deeper about what I believe. I agree with his perception of Catholics, as I consider myself a non practicing Catholic. Catholics do seem to act like God is keeping a tote board of some kind, as good deeds are praised and encouraged as the path to heaven. Knowing where he has been and as someone who totally turned his life around in prison and became a prison minister, he witnessed hundreds of men who were hard core criminals who turned to God in prison and became changed people.

So there lies my dilemma. Can the most vile, disgusting, murderous people on earth suddenly find God at the end of their life and enter heaven? John 3:16 says yes.

Waiting for someone to answer. I don't know the answer.

 

[Scout 4u]

Only GOD does...

 

[wcowherd]

Only GOD does...

That's what I'm saying.

 

[Scout 4u]

So many times the Bible and it's teachings are met with skepticism due to its many interpretations. Most people are just trying to do the best they can with "their" own beliefs of those interpretations.
It's only when we try to play GOD ourselves with other people's lives do those innocent interpretation become fuel for political out rage between political parties.
Perhaps it's time to say that we agree to disagree and move on ?

 

[Expect2Win]

So many times the Bible and it's teachings are met with skepticism due to its many interpretations. Most people are just trying to do the best they can with "their" own beliefs of those interpretations.
It's only when we try to play GOD ourselves with other people's lives do those innocent interpretation become fuel for political out rage between political parties.
Perhaps it's time to say that we agree to disagree and move on ?

Welcome back Scout. I thought you left for good.

 

[ag-man]

OK Prophet Miller, with your biblical expertise, explain this religious dilemma I recently encountered...

A guy I grew up with just finished a 18 year prison sentence for drugs. While in prison, he became a self taught prison minister. We were recently discussing his religious beliefs, the Bible, heaven and hell, and sin. He said that organized religion, and Catholics in particular, seem to think that God keeps a scorecard on man's good deeds and sins, and if one's good deeds outweigh one's sins, then they will be saved. He said our life's actions have no bearing on whether or not we enter heaven. He said, just as John 3:16 says, that whoever believes in Jesus Christ and accepts him as our savior will enter heaven. As someone who believes in the Bible, his view caused me to think about my own views. So I asked him knowing that he had inside knowledge of prisoners, "Do you mean that a person can spend their life murdering, raping, and stealing, and all they have to do is on their death bed, express their belief in Jesus Christ as our savior and they will enter heaven?" He said "Yes, the bible says whoever believes in Jesus Christ will have eternal salvation, and it doesn't matter if you accept Jesus as a child, teenager, adult, or on your death bed, or what you have done in your life prior to being saved by accepting Jesus Christ into your life".

This conversation really caused me to think deeper about what I believe. I agree with his perception of Catholics, as I consider myself a non practicing Catholic. Catholics do seem to act like God is keeping a tote board of some kind, as good deeds are praised and encouraged as the path to heaven. Knowing where he has been and as someone who totally turned his life around in prison and became a prison minister, he witnessed hundreds of men who were hard core criminals who turned to God in prison and became changed people.

So there lies my dilemma. Can the most vile, disgusting, murderous people on earth suddenly find God at the end of their life and enter heaven? John 3:16 says yes.

That is correct Bogey,

I don't like it , but I didn't write the rules, God did.

 

[Scout 4u]

Welcome back Scout. I thought you left for good.

Me too...
I'm to big of a loud mouth not to come back!

 

[3Rfan]

I don't think the Bible says how many and since there were no other possibilities, they obviously married each other.

They had 3 sons. We all know the 2 famous ones, Seth was the 3rd. The daughters don't get mentioned but the boys did have to marry them in order to multiply. I guess the girls grew up and moved away because it says the sons went into foreign lands and took wives. Not sure what a foreign land was then or what they did there since there were no other people at the time. Not sure when it became unacceptable to marry your kin folks either. Certainly no Bible scholar here.

 

[Sleepless_in_Jefferson_County]

They had 3 sons. We all know the 2 famous ones, Seth was the 3rd. The daughters don't get mentioned but the boys did have to marry them in order to multiply. I guess the girls grew up and moved away because it says the sons went into foreign lands and took wives. Not sure what a foreign land was then or what they did there since there were no other people at the time. Not sure when it became unacceptable to marry your kin folks either. Certainly no Bible scholar here.

Biblical definition of marriage, marry your sister.

 

[Bogey Man]

Biblical definition of marriage, marry your sister.

Now I understand Ag man's view on the meaning of marriage according to the bible.