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Duck, it may surprise you to know, but some Americans don't live in the city. I don't need an "employer", I have never needed police protection nor fire protection, and have never even expected it, we have made our own clothes, made our own bread, milked our own cows and have damn sure not bought any meat at Walmart this year. Sometimes people can take care of theirselves, I realize this is a foreign concept to the 98% percent of America that depends on others to exist, but that is why a few have the opinion we do. Is it right, is it wrong? I don't know, but not everybody has to suck the government tit 24/7. I actually feel sad for people so dependent on others handouts.
Lol well said from behind your computer with Internet access and electricity powering that sucker. I guess the windmills are spinning fast tonight.
 
Duck, it may surprise you to know, but some Americans don't live in the city. I don't need an "employer", I have never needed police protection nor fire protection, and have never even expected it, we have made our own clothes, made our own bread, milked our own cows and have damn sure not bought any meat at Walmart this year. Sometimes people can take care of theirselves, I realize this is a foreign concept to the 98% percent of America that depends on others to exist, but that is why a few have the opinion we do. Is it right, is it wrong? I don't know, but not everybody has to suck the government tit 24/7. I actually feel sad for people so dependent on others handouts.
I guess you never leave your property? You make ALL of your own clothes? Walmart is not the only store that sells meat. BTW you're on the internet, something was made possible with government money. Why would it be depending on the government to use the roads and bridges? We pay for them and we dang sure couldn't build them ourselves.
 
Lol well said from behind your computer with Internet access and electricity powering that sucker. I guess the windmills are spinning fast tonight.

And I need this ? This is a toy that reminds me how some people rely on others, sad, really.
 
I guess you never leave your property? You make ALL of your own clothes? Walmart is not the only store that sells meat. BTW you're on the internet, something was made possible with government money. Why would it be depending on the government to use the roads and bridges? We pay for them and we dang sure couldn't build them ourselves.

I have a 4x4, don't need your stinkin impassable roads, Walmart sucks, never shop there, damn sure don't BUY meat, anywhere. Must suck to depend on someone else for everything. I pity you city slickers.
 
I have a 4x4, don't need your stinkin impassable roads, Walmart sucks, never shop there, damn sure don't BUY meat, anywhere. Must suck to depend on someone else for everything. I pity you city slickers.

Actually, unlike Hank Jr., I don't have a shotgun, a rifle and a 4 wheel drive.

I have 4 shotguns, 6 rifles, and 3, 4 wheel drives and you city slickers are too far removed to even understand.
 
Still like your avatar of me Duck, where did you get that picture of me without the beard?
 
Still like your avatar of me Duck, where did you get that picture of me without the beard?

So you made those guns yourself? And your ammo? And your four wheel drive trucks?
No, you bought those. They were made by outstanding workers who were educated in public schools.

Do you grow all your own food and not buy anything from the store? I think you must make your own Meth, because you are high if you think you don't need other people to live like you are. Enjoy your internet access.
And when a family member gets sick, don't be going to any hospitals. Because Guess what? You didn't build that.

And FYI. I don't live in a big city.
I don't even live in town.
 
The problem is that an increasing share of gdp is being captured as corporate profits while the share paid as wages declines. It's why the middle class is falling behind.

No one wants companies to not be successful or competitive but inequality is a real problem in the US right now.
 
So you made those guns yourself? And your ammo? And your four wheel drive trucks?
No, you bought those. They were made by outstanding workers who were educated in public schools.

Do you grow all your own food and not buy anything from the store? I think you must make your own Meth, because you are high if you think you don't need other people to live like you are. Enjoy your internet access.
And when a family member gets sick, don't be going to any hospitals. Because Guess what? You didn't build that.

And FYI. I don't live in a big city.
I don't even live in town.

No, I didn't make my own guns. And I didn't buy them from the government either.
No, I didn't make my own ammo, And I didn't buy it from the government either.
No, I didn't make my own 4x4, And I didn't buy it from the government either.

And you are correct, they were built by outstanding workers, educated in public schools, paid for with my money.

Yes I grow my own food, except mustard, salt, pepper and a few others. And by the way, when a family member gets sick, I will be sending them to the hospital, because as you blood sucking liberals take about half of my income to pay for all your socialists crap, I will recoup some of my pay, thank you very much.
 
Duck,
You and I agree on a lot, but when you start bragging on all the government provides me you are barking up the wrong tree, I provide the government money, not the other way around.

The government cannot give anyone something, it has not stole from somebody else.

Thing about that.
 
You can make it alone without help from others? You have an employer. Sounds like you depend on your employer. Does your employer have customers? Where do the customers get their money? How are your companies products or services delivered?
On roads and bridges built by taxpayers?
Who provides police and fire protection for the business?

Did you make your own clothes? Or did you buy them from a business? Have you bought any bread, milk or meat from a store this
year? I have a feeling your "self reliance" is a crock of manure.

CEO's of large corps don't take $%&+ for risk. In most cases, they didn't start their firms. For them to pay a lower % in taxes than their secretary is wrong.

Once again a wildly absurd misrepresentation of what I said.

Just because I don't "hate" CEO's doesn't mean I'm not for some moderate reforms to the business community. That does not mean that I want to end capitalism or take money that I did not "earn" on my own.

As for the, "You did not build that" ludicrous comment by our Ivy League president ... Ridiculous

Of course people need basic necessities to survive...
not so basic to just enjoy life.

That does not mean that I have to give up on my goal in life to be the best I can be as an employee, family member, community supporter, "owner" of my own successes and failures.

I am so thankful that my upbringing in life taught me to look inward first when things go bad and outward second.

Your victim mentality is truly sad in the sense that you will never reach happiness in your life until you let it go...
 
Duck,
You and I agree on a lot, but when you start bragging on all the government provides me you are barking up the wrong tree, I provide the government money, not the other way around.

The government cannot give anyone something, it has not stole from somebody else.

Thing about that.
What great moderate thinking. Money stolen from somebody else, that's a great one. You are one step away from an anarchist. Good luck with that.
 
Money "stolen" from someone else!

The government takes money from me against my will........that is stealing my money, period.

How do you profess the government makes money? They don't, they steal it from the taxpayer.
 
The government takes money from me against my will........that is stealing my money, period.

How do you profess the government makes money? They don't, they steal it from the taxpayer.

Who prints the money? You realize money is property of the US government right? That's part of the reason defacing or destroying it is illegal. Also "your" money only has as much value as the government says it has, seeing as we're off the gold standard.

Then there's that whole "give unto Caesar what is Caesar's".

You really want to claim that it's your money?
 
Who prints the money? You realize money is property of the US government right? That's part of the reason defacing or destroying it is illegal. Also "your" money only has as much value as the government says it has, seeing as we're off the gold standard.

Then there's that whole "give unto Caesar what is Caesar's".

You really want to claim that it's your money?

bob and weave

I do have a little understanding of Fiat currency and it's use.
 
Are taxes legal? Simple question.

The framers of the constitution made no provision allowing the government to collect taxes.
However, pushed by progressives in congress , the 16th amendment to the constitution took effect February 25th, 1913.

Therefore, the government could now legally steal my money.
 
Sounds to me like some of you need to move to another country. This one is just stealing you blind!!!!!!!! If you send me your address and promise to move to another country I will gladly send you $5 dollars to help you move and won't consider it stealing.
 
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Sounds to me like some of you need to move to another country. This one is just stealing you blind!!!!!!!! If you send me your address and promise to move to another country I will gladly send you $5 dollars to help you move and won't consider it stealing.

This topic has now reached it's end...
no one cares anymore.

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By the way for what it's worth...

The country of Missouri is fine with me and my family so I think we'll stay.

As for your $5 ...
Why not give it to a fellow lib so that they can move into the White House and live off the rest of US from now on?
 
Not that the year is that important. Just so I don't get called out on a technicality youngster, at some point in history, the government decided to make it legal to steal my money. That should cover it.
 
We haven't had a good ole "Framers of the Constitution" argument in a long time. I miss those... Nah never mind. Welcome to the 1900's old timer.
 
The framers of the constitution made no provision allowing the government to collect taxes.
However, pushed by progressives in congress , the 16th amendment to the constitution took effect February 25th, 1913.

Therefore, the government could now legally steal my money.

Taxes are legal.

Theft is illegal.

Period.

Furthermore, if you don't like paying taxes please stop using the following:

-Highways
-Public schools
-Medicare/Medicaid/Social Security
-Police and Fire Departments
-Any medical advances developed in public universities.
-Quit using money all together as it is printed by the government and the Governmentonly functions via tax money.
-Don't enjoy state or national parks.
 
Taxes are legal.

Theft is illegal.

Period.

Furthermore, if you don't like paying taxes please stop using the following:

-Highways
-Public schools
-Medicare/Medicaid/Social Security
-Police and Fire Departments
-Any medical advances developed in public universities.
-Quit using money all together as it is printed by the government and the Governmentonly functions via tax money.
-Don't enjoy state or national parks.

So since slavery was legal, it did not "steal" the freedom of many African Americans?
Since I paid for the roads, I shouldn't use them?
Since I paid for the schools, I shouldn't use them?
I have never used Medicare/Medicaid/social security even though I paid for it.
I have never used the police or fire department even though I paid for it.
I can't use medical advances I paid for?
I cannot use fiat money I earned through hard work ?
I don't use parks.

Your argument is weak.

The government cannot GIVE to someone
What it doesn't TAKE from another

It has no earning power.

I will debate your baseless argument no further.

You are wrong.
 
So since slavery was legal, it did not "steal" the freedom of many African Americans?
Since I paid for the roads, I shouldn't use them?
Since I paid for the schools, I shouldn't use them?
I have never used Medicare/Medicaid/social security even though I paid for it.
I have never used the police or fire department even though I paid for it.
I can't use medical advances I paid for?
I cannot use fiat money I earned through hard work ?
I don't use parks.

Your argument is weak.

The government cannot GIVE to someone
What it doesn't TAKE from another

It has no earning power.

I will debate your baseless argument no further.

You are wrong.

You saying so doesn't make it so.

Just saying, take a stand. Don't pay your taxes, I don't care, just don't use anything that are provided by taxation.
 
This topic has now reached it's end...
no one cares anymore.

...............................................................

By the way for what it's worth...

The country of Missouri is fine with me and my family so I think we'll stay.

As for your $5 ...
Why not give it to a fellow lib so that they can move into the White House and live off the rest of US from now on?
Last I knew Missouri also collects taxes of various kinds.
 
The framers of the constitution made no provision allowing the government to collect taxes.
However, pushed by progressives in congress , the 16th amendment to the constitution took effect February 25th, 1913.

Therefore, the government could now legally steal my money.
False
 
Taxation as theft is a silly argument. Without a government you would have no real income and no first world society. You aren't a mountain man who batters for things or some third world tribesman who lives off the land. You live in a civilized society and there is a cost associated with that.

I know it's not fun to pay taxes but there is no advanced civilization that is possible without a material tax system.
 
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