Sounds kinda like sour grapes to me.....
Bolivar
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Fairly certain that Crane played at SBU in his hometown.
Not like he went 0-10 or anything
I just know I'm going to regret this, but...
How much of the responsibility for this situation Bolivar finds themselves in now lies with Lance Roweton?
Speculation aside, what we know for certain is that at least two conferences have explicitly said that they'd be willing to play Bolivar in every sport BUT football; so it's the football program that's the problem, and who ran the football program for the decade and a half prior to last year?
I know a lot of Bolivar fans sided with Roweton when things went down the way they did his last year and into his departure, but I really do think that he shares a great deal of the blame for what Bolivar is having to deal with now (again, Bolivar football is clearly the problem for these conferences and Bolivar football is a product of Lance Roweton).
How much of the responsibility for this situation Bolivar finds themselves in now lies with Lance Roweton?
Speculation aside, what we know for certain is that at least two conferences have explicitly said that they'd be willing to play Bolivar in every sport BUT football; so it's the football program that's the problem, and who ran the football program for the decade and a half prior to last year?
I know a lot of Bolivar fans sided with Roweton when things went down the way they did his last year and into his departure, but I really do think that he shares a great deal of the blame for what Bolivar is having to deal with now (again, Bolivar football is clearly the problem for these conferences and Bolivar football is a product of Lance Roweton).
So what did Lance do wrong other than beat Rogersville? There is another recently rehired person at Bolivar that is actually more to Blame when it comes to it.
So you think it has more to do with what's transpired in the one year since Roewton's departure that has these conferences not wanting anything to do with Bolivar football and not what transpired in Roweton's nearly decade and a half there?
And just to be clear, I never said he was solely to blame... (but you can't deny that Bolivar football was truly his)
Can someone remind us all the circumstances that lead to Roewton's departure from Bolivar?
And just to be clear, I never said he was solely to blame... (but you can't deny that Bolivar football was truly his)
Can someone remind us all the circumstances that lead to Roewton's departure from Bolivar?
Mitsu who are you? What is your name? Do you hide behind your screen name in your entire life or do you actually do anything where your pride is put on the line? You speak of people as if you have never put yourself on the line. Jealousy runs wild in almost all of your post. This is not the first time you have called out Lance Roweton. So now your being called out. What is your name? What do you do? Are you successful at anything or is just your online presence successful? You remind me of a twitter king who talks and speaks on social media like you are somebody and yet in reality you are nobody. Social media has broken down the pecking order of reality and let people who's voice really means nothing have a say. So your being called out. Who are you? I want a name. I want to see if you are actually somebody or just a social media nobody.
I'm a nobody; just another troll living in his parent's basement wondering why these conferences want nothing to do with Bolivar Football but are will to play Bolivar in every other sport (knew I should've stayed out of it...)
That is what I figured. Once again a social media presence is much larger than the reality. It really is sad in society today how peoples online presence isn't reality. I was just curious if you would put your name on the line since you always love to call out the old coach at Bolivar....Look on the bright side maybe you can text your mom from the basement and she can bring you down some nachos.
Golden Child LOL
Does all this justice mean my questions go unanswered? (In the past on these boards even insults were accompanied by a retort to the argument at hand...)
...or have the boards truly gone the way of the rest of the internet?
...or have the boards truly gone the way of the rest of the internet?
So why dont you answer, what is your problem with Bolivar and specifically Lance Roweton?
How do you call someone out for using a screen name while using a screen name?
Liberator Dad
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Mit San,
You should be ashamed of yourself. I mean that. The level of dishonesty you have demonstrated here is downright disgusting. I was raised in Bolivar and graduated from Bolivar High School in the 1980's. I played for coach Doug Potts. Lance Roweton was a younger student athlete. I have known him my entire life. Your character assassination of him while hiding behind a keyboard is the act of a coward.
First, when Lance Roweton came to Bolivar we had been through an upheaval in our football program. A coach who had been in charge of the program for three decades had retired. Two coaches had come and gone. Bolivar was a losing program with a losing reputation. Lance Roweton was willing to step in to that situation and within two years he had established a winning program. For more than a decade he has continued that winning tradition. Two of my sons played in his program. Is he a perfect coach. Hell no. I don't know a coach who is perfect. But, for you to insinuate that there is animosity in Southwest Missouri against him and that this is why Bolivar has not been placed in a new conference is unfair and patently wrong.
Why do we continuously have to cover the same old ground here? It is one of the reasons I stepped away from the forum. Bolivar is a member of the Small COC. Up until just a few years ago we were a Class 3 school. We are now a smaller Class 4 school. Bolivar is smaller than Marshfield and nearly the same size as Rogersville. We have been playing the other schools in the Small COC since Buffalo and Bolivar were nearly the same size and since the time when Nixa was a cow pasture with a small downtown. Catholic used to be a football powerhouse in the state. Reeds and Hollister made the decision to come in to the Small COC knowing the competition level and who the participating schools were. I haven't seen their fans on here complaining about the fact that they lost and constantly belly-aching about the margin of losses. We can't control the quality of the programs at the other schools. The idea that we should leave the conference because we win the Small COC championship regularly is laughable. I don't hear anyone arguing that Webb City should leave the Large COC because of that. Their fans would be deeply offended by the suggestion. Lance Roweton could control three games. And that is only when his athletic director, Todd Scrader, would support him in scheduling the schools that he wanted to play. Who did Lance Roweton Schedule? Harrisonville, Ozark, Branson, etc. Now I realize they are by no means the powerhouses that Rogersville scheduled in Springfield Central and Neosho. But for you to try to argue that Coach Roweton built a cream puff schedule is absurd. In his tenure we beat Nixa, Ozark, Harrisonville, Raytown South, Union, Republic, Hillcrest, and many other great programs. He dealt with parents like me who bitched about the fact that our sons were not playing the second half of many games because we scored so many points in the first half. You have consistently attacked his character in the worst possible way. Through innuendo and half-truths. At least have the testicles to just admit that you have a personal dislike either because you are a coach who has been on the receiving end of too many Bolivar ass whippings or a parent who is upset that you had to drive to Bolivar so many times (insert state championship year here) just to find out that, even in your best year, you couldn't put a team on the field that could compete with the Liberators. My apologies to the rest of you Rogersville fans. I love the rivalry but, this cat is too much!
In regard to the conference situation, of course you know just enough to totally misconstrue the situation. If you want to know why we are in the situation we are in then look no further than our past superintendent and current athletic director. It had nothing to do with any of the great coaches at Bolivar High School. We were left out of the discussions regarding the dissolution of the Small COC and the formation of the Big * expansion period. End of story. Nobody said, "Hey, Bolivar, we are dissolving the Small COC and you can come join the expanded Big-8." All sports at Bolivar were left out in the cold. There are many rumors floating around as to why. None of them involve Lance Roweton. Many of them involve our current athletic director, Todd Schrader, who just recently had his contract extended by a 4-3 split vote after myself and other spoke out in disagreement in a closed session of our school board. Many also came to support him in open session. I have been told by two different administrators in the Large/Small COC that the blame lies there. I have been told by Bolivar administrators that it doesn't I don't know the truth. But, one thing I haven't heard from anyone is that Coach Lance Roweton was to blame.
The offer from the OC for Bolivar to join has been out there for two years. It included all sports. So when you say that that two conferences offered to let us join without football you are wrong. My personal opinion is that our current athletic director waited too long to respond to the OC while he was responding to the disbanding of the Small COC and, for scheduling purposes, they had to accept Springfield Central in order to move forward. We then asked to be admitted without football and they said no. Had we responded in a timely manner over the past two years we would have been in with all sports. Again, I have had an administrator in the Large/Small COC tell me that this is a result of the actions of our athletic director. Coach Lance Roweton was not involved at all. I know for a fact that, during his time here, Coach Roweton, and three other coaches, did vote to move to the Large COC. But, the vast majority of coaches opposed it because are other programs are much smaller than the Large COC programs. It is absolutely not true that Coach Roweton refused to move to the COC. Every time you say that you are not telling the truth.
Bolivar does have many issues right now. Our school just suffered through a child molestation scandal, our previous superintendent was accused of intimidation and left under a cloud of suspicion. Three school board members resigned and left the problems they helped create for others to resolve. We most certainly need to shine a light on the issues regarding the conference. That will be done in a public forum that the school district is hosting next week. You will learn at that forum that none of these issues are the result of anything that Coach Lance Roweton or any other coach did.
So, please spare me the personal attacks wrapped up the cloak of "Heck, I am just a nobody asking simple questions."
And now I will do something that you are too afraid to do Mit San. i will sign my real name, address and telephone number here. I am not afraid to come on this board and talk football, kick it around with fans from other schools, or receive some good-natured jabs from other fans from other schools. But, the personal attacks need to stop. Coach Lance Roweton left Bolivar for two reasons. First, he got a great offer in administration from another school. Second, he he did not receive the support from our former superintendent and current athletic director that he should have. They made his job nearly impossible. I bleed Liberator blue and I am not afraid to stand up and ask for wrongs to be righted. What about you Mit San?
Will Westmoreland
Bolivar High School Class of 1986
Father of Two Liberators!
P.O. Box 983
Bolivar, MO 65613
417-770-4026
wmwestmoreland@windstream.net
You should be ashamed of yourself. I mean that. The level of dishonesty you have demonstrated here is downright disgusting. I was raised in Bolivar and graduated from Bolivar High School in the 1980's. I played for coach Doug Potts. Lance Roweton was a younger student athlete. I have known him my entire life. Your character assassination of him while hiding behind a keyboard is the act of a coward.
First, when Lance Roweton came to Bolivar we had been through an upheaval in our football program. A coach who had been in charge of the program for three decades had retired. Two coaches had come and gone. Bolivar was a losing program with a losing reputation. Lance Roweton was willing to step in to that situation and within two years he had established a winning program. For more than a decade he has continued that winning tradition. Two of my sons played in his program. Is he a perfect coach. Hell no. I don't know a coach who is perfect. But, for you to insinuate that there is animosity in Southwest Missouri against him and that this is why Bolivar has not been placed in a new conference is unfair and patently wrong.
Why do we continuously have to cover the same old ground here? It is one of the reasons I stepped away from the forum. Bolivar is a member of the Small COC. Up until just a few years ago we were a Class 3 school. We are now a smaller Class 4 school. Bolivar is smaller than Marshfield and nearly the same size as Rogersville. We have been playing the other schools in the Small COC since Buffalo and Bolivar were nearly the same size and since the time when Nixa was a cow pasture with a small downtown. Catholic used to be a football powerhouse in the state. Reeds and Hollister made the decision to come in to the Small COC knowing the competition level and who the participating schools were. I haven't seen their fans on here complaining about the fact that they lost and constantly belly-aching about the margin of losses. We can't control the quality of the programs at the other schools. The idea that we should leave the conference because we win the Small COC championship regularly is laughable. I don't hear anyone arguing that Webb City should leave the Large COC because of that. Their fans would be deeply offended by the suggestion. Lance Roweton could control three games. And that is only when his athletic director, Todd Scrader, would support him in scheduling the schools that he wanted to play. Who did Lance Roweton Schedule? Harrisonville, Ozark, Branson, etc. Now I realize they are by no means the powerhouses that Rogersville scheduled in Springfield Central and Neosho. But for you to try to argue that Coach Roweton built a cream puff schedule is absurd. In his tenure we beat Nixa, Ozark, Harrisonville, Raytown South, Union, Republic, Hillcrest, and many other great programs. He dealt with parents like me who bitched about the fact that our sons were not playing the second half of many games because we scored so many points in the first half. You have consistently attacked his character in the worst possible way. Through innuendo and half-truths. At least have the testicles to just admit that you have a personal dislike either because you are a coach who has been on the receiving end of too many Bolivar ass whippings or a parent who is upset that you had to drive to Bolivar so many times (insert state championship year here) just to find out that, even in your best year, you couldn't put a team on the field that could compete with the Liberators. My apologies to the rest of you Rogersville fans. I love the rivalry but, this cat is too much!
In regard to the conference situation, of course you know just enough to totally misconstrue the situation. If you want to know why we are in the situation we are in then look no further than our past superintendent and current athletic director. It had nothing to do with any of the great coaches at Bolivar High School. We were left out of the discussions regarding the dissolution of the Small COC and the formation of the Big * expansion period. End of story. Nobody said, "Hey, Bolivar, we are dissolving the Small COC and you can come join the expanded Big-8." All sports at Bolivar were left out in the cold. There are many rumors floating around as to why. None of them involve Lance Roweton. Many of them involve our current athletic director, Todd Schrader, who just recently had his contract extended by a 4-3 split vote after myself and other spoke out in disagreement in a closed session of our school board. Many also came to support him in open session. I have been told by two different administrators in the Large/Small COC that the blame lies there. I have been told by Bolivar administrators that it doesn't I don't know the truth. But, one thing I haven't heard from anyone is that Coach Lance Roweton was to blame.
The offer from the OC for Bolivar to join has been out there for two years. It included all sports. So when you say that that two conferences offered to let us join without football you are wrong. My personal opinion is that our current athletic director waited too long to respond to the OC while he was responding to the disbanding of the Small COC and, for scheduling purposes, they had to accept Springfield Central in order to move forward. We then asked to be admitted without football and they said no. Had we responded in a timely manner over the past two years we would have been in with all sports. Again, I have had an administrator in the Large/Small COC tell me that this is a result of the actions of our athletic director. Coach Lance Roweton was not involved at all. I know for a fact that, during his time here, Coach Roweton, and three other coaches, did vote to move to the Large COC. But, the vast majority of coaches opposed it because are other programs are much smaller than the Large COC programs. It is absolutely not true that Coach Roweton refused to move to the COC. Every time you say that you are not telling the truth.
Bolivar does have many issues right now. Our school just suffered through a child molestation scandal, our previous superintendent was accused of intimidation and left under a cloud of suspicion. Three school board members resigned and left the problems they helped create for others to resolve. We most certainly need to shine a light on the issues regarding the conference. That will be done in a public forum that the school district is hosting next week. You will learn at that forum that none of these issues are the result of anything that Coach Lance Roweton or any other coach did.
So, please spare me the personal attacks wrapped up the cloak of "Heck, I am just a nobody asking simple questions."
And now I will do something that you are too afraid to do Mit San. i will sign my real name, address and telephone number here. I am not afraid to come on this board and talk football, kick it around with fans from other schools, or receive some good-natured jabs from other fans from other schools. But, the personal attacks need to stop. Coach Lance Roweton left Bolivar for two reasons. First, he got a great offer in administration from another school. Second, he he did not receive the support from our former superintendent and current athletic director that he should have. They made his job nearly impossible. I bleed Liberator blue and I am not afraid to stand up and ask for wrongs to be righted. What about you Mit San?
Will Westmoreland
Bolivar High School Class of 1986
Father of Two Liberators!
P.O. Box 983
Bolivar, MO 65613
417-770-4026
wmwestmoreland@windstream.net
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Whoa! Easy there buck! Youre gonna start sounding like some of the angry Ampipe folk if youre not careful.....
Liberator Dad
Well-Known Member
I didn't mean any offense to Neosho. I am over the shaded accusations and attacks. It is one thing to bash an overall program under and anonymous handle. It is another thing to attack a Coach's character. If he is going to do that he needs to sign his name to it or stop.
Liberator Dad
Well-Known Member
I believe he played college ball at Southwest Baptist University. He was a monster.
Be careful when using logic on here, its a dangerous dangerous thing to use
Just make your screen name your name. That fixes everything. I did!
Wasn't referring specifically to JHS, their current travel predicament is absurd and not really a fair comparison. For the current members it would be another Branson-like trip. Sure for Joplin it's closer than Rolla, but to describe Bolivar as a short trip from this area is a stretch. It would be the second longest conference trip for all of the schools around here.
Why do we need to bring Springfield Central into this. We are just sitting here and enjoying ourselves. Keep on him Buck.... Show no mercy... If you have to... run to the top of a press box so everyone can hear you. 
Liberator Dad
Well-Known Member
Why do we need to bring Springfield Central into this. We are just sitting here and enjoying ourselves. Keep on him Buck.... Show no mercy... If you have to... run to the top of a press box so everyone can hear you.
Springfield Central did nothing wrong. Neither did the OC. You were asked to join and you did. Nothing wrong with that!
On a serious note, I have coached against Lance a few times. And he and his kids were always classy and well coached before, during and after the game. So he has a fan here.
My question is, WHY ARE THERE SO MANY "TIGERS" in the COC. How about this year whom ever has the best record of the tigers in the league keeps the name. Others have to change.
Just trying to keep it lite...
My question is, WHY ARE THERE SO MANY "TIGERS" in the COC. How about this year whom ever has the best record of the tigers in the league keeps the name. Others have to change.
Just trying to keep it lite...
Liberator Dad
Well-Known Member
On a serious note, I have coached against Lance a few times. And he and his kids were always classy and well coached before, during and after the game. So he has a fan here.
My question is, WHY ARE THERE SO MANY "TIGERS" in the COC. How about this year whom ever has the best record of the tigers in the league keeps the name. Others have to change.
Just trying to keep it lite...
Little know fact. We used to be the Bolivar Tigers before the student body voted to change the name to the Liberators.
If you are referring to the ex-coach
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I've come to accept the fact that you and will simply never see eye to eye on most things; it's for that reason that I stopped reading your post once the apologetics started again (in fact, I bet you already had most of that post written out long before I posted in this thread just because you assumed I would say something). It's for that reason I originally wasn't going to post at all on this topic and when I eventually did say something, it's why I made no mention at all about Bolivar's lopsided shutouts against inferior opponents, all the while having a losing record against teams over .500 (we will simpley never agree on this point, so why bother...)
BUT... Your point in the section I've captured above is well taken, and I sincerely apologize if I've given the impression that I was trying To insinuate that it was animosity toward Roweton that has Bolivar in this situation (because I was not...)
I was however insinuating that it is indeed animosity toward Bolivar's football program that has Bolivar in this situation (I'm willing to admit that I might be wrong about that, but it's what I believe), and obviously Bolivar's football program is the product of Roweton's design. Now maybe you disagree (shocking!), but I believe it's possible for schools to be turned off by the program that Roweton created while harbering no animosity toward Roweton himself.
I am being quite sincere, though,when I say that the point you make in the section I've captured above is well taken and I'm sorry.
But why then would you come out blame the AD and/or the Admin at Bolivar? Hypocrisy is generally bad for your credibility.
And with regard to my real name, I think it's foolish to give out your real name anywhere on the internet (they even teach kids that in school these days); for that reason this message board account is the extent of my social media existence (I have no facebook, no twitter, no Snapchat, no nothing).
The most inflammatory assertions I've ever made on these boards are as follows:
- Bolivar's football team liked running up the score back when Lance Roweton coached there.
- It is far worse for a man to hit a woman than it is for a man to hit a man
- Ezekiel Elliott is a prima donna
I guess I'm just going to have to live with the fact that a bunch of people on the internet that I don't know think less of me because I won't attach my name to the above.
I've come to the conclusion that it's not the boards that have changed, it's the internet that has changed
I think its the exact opposite! These boards have changed a lot. Look at how many famous people that are on here now! Stef, Bosko, Coach Nickerson/Fox, THE MOX, Shane Falco, and a few others that have just shown up. This place is really hopping!I've come to the conclusion that it's not the boards that have changed, it's the internet that has changed
I still think the best option for all those involved is for Rolla to leave the OC (join the Columbia/Jeff City schools or western StL schools) and for Bolivar to replace them.
Mit San,
I've watched this board for a long time and I hate to waste my first post on this but
you are attacking the wrong guy. I don't know Coach Roweton personally but I know people from Bolivar who are in the system. All that guy did was win in a conference that he did not choose to be in and win a league that Bolivar could not win one game in the year before his arrival. He had control of 3 games outside his conference and he always chose tough opponents. When Bolivar was asked to join the large COC he along with a couple other coaches voted to go while more coaches elected to stay. You are right about the fact that the Bolivar football program was his product and it was a good product. There were years that Bolivar could play with anyone and their weak conference probably hurt them in a few playoff runs but that is not Coach Roweton's fault. All he can do is play the schools in his conference and then play the more difficult teams that he chose to play in the non-conference games. The conferences that said they could play Bolivar in other sports but not football said so because they had full schedules due to having 10 or more teams in the conference. If this was only a decision based on the small COC not being able to beat Bolivar so they left...then why did they join a conference with several teams as good or better than Bolivar. Lamar...6 time class 2 state champ...Monett...class 3 state champ...Cassville...a couple state titles in class 3 recently...Aurora with a final 4 run and Seneca with a second place class 3 state run a few years ago. Why did they decide to leave Bolivar out after coach Roweton left and after a year that Reeds Spring beat Bolivar. That does not add up. To call out a coach by name after he has chosen to leave the sideline is wrong. To call out a coach by name at all is wrong. I don't know why he left but maybe he was just looking to do something different.
As for the people talking about the size of Bolivar compared to the people they are playing...Here are the numbers according to MSHSAA
Marshfield- 940
Bolivar- 804
Logan Rogersville- 700
Reeds Spring- 621
Springfield Catholic- 534
Hollister-491
Buffalo- 458
So is that a football coaches fault that the Administration from these schools chose to put these teams in the same conference?
It is obvious Bolivar has issues right now...Their former coach is not one of them. He has moved on...You should too.
Just my 2 cents.
I've watched this board for a long time and I hate to waste my first post on this but
you are attacking the wrong guy. I don't know Coach Roweton personally but I know people from Bolivar who are in the system. All that guy did was win in a conference that he did not choose to be in and win a league that Bolivar could not win one game in the year before his arrival. He had control of 3 games outside his conference and he always chose tough opponents. When Bolivar was asked to join the large COC he along with a couple other coaches voted to go while more coaches elected to stay. You are right about the fact that the Bolivar football program was his product and it was a good product. There were years that Bolivar could play with anyone and their weak conference probably hurt them in a few playoff runs but that is not Coach Roweton's fault. All he can do is play the schools in his conference and then play the more difficult teams that he chose to play in the non-conference games. The conferences that said they could play Bolivar in other sports but not football said so because they had full schedules due to having 10 or more teams in the conference. If this was only a decision based on the small COC not being able to beat Bolivar so they left...then why did they join a conference with several teams as good or better than Bolivar. Lamar...6 time class 2 state champ...Monett...class 3 state champ...Cassville...a couple state titles in class 3 recently...Aurora with a final 4 run and Seneca with a second place class 3 state run a few years ago. Why did they decide to leave Bolivar out after coach Roweton left and after a year that Reeds Spring beat Bolivar. That does not add up. To call out a coach by name after he has chosen to leave the sideline is wrong. To call out a coach by name at all is wrong. I don't know why he left but maybe he was just looking to do something different.
As for the people talking about the size of Bolivar compared to the people they are playing...Here are the numbers according to MSHSAA
Marshfield- 940
Bolivar- 804
Logan Rogersville- 700
Reeds Spring- 621
Springfield Catholic- 534
Hollister-491
Buffalo- 458
So is that a football coaches fault that the Administration from these schools chose to put these teams in the same conference?
It is obvious Bolivar has issues right now...Their former coach is not one of them. He has moved on...You should too.
Just my 2 cents.
I'm old enough to know you are talking about your dad...and yes...he got screwed!
Just curious but what could or would the super and AD do to make his job impossible? From the sounds of it, he was doing a good job and winning games?
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