8-man rumors

[HoopsTournament]

Any rumors about teams that are moving to 8-man next year. I have heard rumblings from the following, but nothing confirmed:

Louisiana
Maysville
Polo
Slater

Is anyone hearing about any other teams? What about schools that don't have football? Are there any planning to start football in 8-man? What about Sacred Heart? Do they still plan to co-op with Northwest (Hughesville)?

 

[anon_utvqikut1knht]

Any rumors about teams that are moving to 8-man next year. I have heard rumblings from the following, but nothing confirmed:

Louisiana
Maysville
Polo
Slater

Is anyone hearing about any other teams? What about schools that don't have football? Are there any planning to start football in 8-man? What about Sacred Heart? Do they still plan to co-op with Northwest (Hughesville)?

Funny you bring this up as my local buddy and I were chatting about Polo at the Smithville game tonight. Would be very surprised if they don't go 8-man next year.

 

[HoopsTournament]

Funny you bring this up as my local buddy and I were chatting about Polo at the Smithville game tonight. Would be very surprised if they don't go 8-man next year.

I think Polo is most likely of the four. They have been exploring it for several seasons. With St. Joseph Christian going 11-man, Polo moving to 8-man would even out the GRC again.

I am not sure if Louisiana is below the threshold, but they have had trouble having enough players every week and have had to forfeit some games. The downside is that there are not a lot of 8-man teams around. North Shelby would be the closest Missouri school at about an hour and 20 minutes. The next closest would be Northwest (Hughesville) at 2 hours 35 mintues (Slater would be slightly closer at 2:30). Current Illinois 8-man schools are mostly in the Chicago area, but there are 6 schools within 2 hours that play 8-man: Jacksonville ISD, Cuba, Metro-East Lutheran, Westminster Christian, Bunker Hill and Pawnee. So they could put together a schedule with a mix of Missouri and Illinois schools.

Slater explored it last year, but decided to stay at 11-man.

Maysville is interesting. The only reason I list them is because of one my friends that knows an assistant coach there has mentioned that they are thinking about it. Of course if both Maysville and Polo move to 8-man, that would leave 7 11-man teams in GRC.

 

[fbfan23]

Lockwood

 

[Mizzou-Eddie]

Louisiana is above the threshold so 8-man isn't an option right now.

 

[kaching]

Rumors that a few of the remaining WEMO schools may go 8-man ranks.

 

[panther72]

Also been rumors about the I-70. This year those 7 schools nt 4-17 against non-conference schools. Three of those wins were against 1 win teams and the other against a 2 win team.

 

[HoopsTournament]

Louisiana is above the threshold so 8-man isn't an option right now.

They were above last year (159). We haven't seen enrollment numbers for this year and don't know what they will be next year. I have no knowledge of their enrollment trends, so if anyone does, I would be interested.

 

[HoopsTournament]

Also, if 8-man goes above 32 teams, that means that an extra round of playoffs will need to be added. Would MSHSAA go to 8 districts or keep at 4 districts, but have more than 8 in some of them?

 

[HoopsTournament]

Also been rumors about the I-70. This year those 7 schools nt 4-17 against non-conference schools. Three of those wins were against 1 win teams and the other against a 2 win team.

Here is a summary of I-70 teams:

Team, Conf Record, Non-Conf Record (2018-19 Enrollment)

Crest Ridge, 6-0, 7-2 (126)
Sweet Springs, 5-1, 6-3 (103, 120 w/ Malta Bend)
Well-Nap, 3-3, 4-5 (84)
Concordia, 3-3, 3-6 (91)
Santa Fe, 3-3, 3-6 (81)
Lone Jack, 1-5, 1-8 (152, 217 w/ Kingsville)
St. Paul Lutheran 0-6, 1-8 (162)

The two bottom teams are still big right now. Lone Jack is on the border, but would have to end the co-op with Kingsville and they still may be too big.

Would Crest Ridge and Sweet Springs who had success make the move? I would depend on their prospects in the future.

I-70 will be interesting to watch to see what happens.

 

[HoopsTournament]

Rumors that a few of the remaining WEMO schools may go 8-man ranks.

Adrian - 8-1 (145 enrollment) - I think they will probably stay 11-man. If they do drop, they could be a contender immediately.

Archie 2-7 (134 enrollment) - Could be a candidate to drop/could stay.

Jasper 1-8 (110 enrollment) - More likely to drop.

Midway 4-5 (106 enrollment) - Don't have any idea.

I could see Archie and Jasper dropping and then Midway coming along for the ride for scheduling/rival reasons. Adrian is the one that I think is less likely.

Would like to hear others thoughts on the WEMO schools.

 

[Skinslvr26]

Adrian - 8-1 (145 enrollment) - I think they will probably stay 11-man. If they do drop, they could be a contender immediately.

Archie 2-7 (134 enrollment) - Could be a candidate to drop/could stay.

Jasper 1-8 (110 enrollment) - More likely to drop.

Midway 4-5 (106 enrollment) - Don't have any idea.

I could see Archie and Jasper dropping and then Midway coming along for the ride for scheduling/rival reasons. Adrian is the one that I think is less likely.

Would like to hear others thoughts on the WEMO schools.

To my knowledge Jasper has no plans to drop. But imo they need to. I don't do 8 man which would suck but means I could start going to the nephew's games in Carthage.

And I've heard Archie is 100% Dropping.

 

[HoopsTournament]

Lockwood

What about Greenfield. They were 8-man, but didn't have a lot of teams around them to play at the time. With more 8-man teams closer (but still not really close), would they entertain going back to 8-man?

 

[Veer2Eternity]

Adrian - 8-1 (145 enrollment) - I think they will probably stay 11-man. If they do drop, they could be a contender immediately.

Archie 2-7 (134 enrollment) - Could be a candidate to drop/could stay.

Jasper 1-8 (110 enrollment) - More likely to drop.

Midway 4-5 (106 enrollment) - Don't have any idea.

I could see Archie and Jasper dropping and then Midway coming along for the ride for scheduling/rival reasons. Adrian is the one that I think is less likely.

Would like to hear others thoughts on the WEMO schools.

I dont think Adrian will ever go 8 man.
Midway is doubtful just because of tradition. They have some rough years coming though.

 

[fbfan23]

What about Greenfield. They were 8-man, but didn't have a lot of teams around them to play at the time. With more 8-man teams closer (but still not really close), would they entertain going back to 8-man?

I think it’s something they are trying to avoid if at all possible but enrollment numbers seem to keep declining and that could make the drop to 8 man inevitable

 

[touchdownsilly]

Why is 150 the cut off? I don't agree with schools dropping to 8 man because they don't have enough linemen and still field teams of 30 plus or use it as a means to get away from playing their contracted schedule. But if a school is 1A and have 151 plus enrollment they should be afforded the opportunity.

 

[PCole]

Why is 150 the cut off? I don't agree with schools dropping to 8 man because they don't have enough linemen and still field teams of 30 plus or use it as a means to get away from playing their contracted schedule. But if a school is 1A and have 151 plus enrollment they should be afforded the opportunity.

The former limit was 200. Once MSHSAA went to counting grades 9-11 for classification instead of 9-12, they just cut 25% off 200, making the cutoff 150. Simple math to my simple mind.

 

[Mizzou-Eddie]

They were above last year (159). We haven't seen enrollment numbers for this year and don't know what they will be next year. I have no knowledge of their enrollment trends, so if anyone does, I would be interested.

They are at 164 this year and have been above 150 every year since the move to 3-class enrollments. They were always over 200 when 4-class enrollments were used.

 

[deacon jones]

I dont think Adrian will ever go 8 man.
Midway is doubtful just because of tradition. They have some rough years coming though.

Didn't Adrian used to be 8 man? Have they ever had much 11 man success?

 

[PCole]

Didn't Adrian used to be 8 man? Have they ever had much 11 man success?

No. And, yes.

 

[O line wins games]

Didn't Adrian used to be 8 man? Have they ever had much 11 man success?

State runner up in 1987 (lost to Hardin 18-6)

State Champion in 2002 (beat Hayti 35-22)

 

[touchdownsilly]

The former limit was 200. Once MSHSAA went to counting grades 9-11 for classification instead of 9-12, they just cut 25% off 200, making the cutoff 150. Simple math to my simple mind.

I understand that but why not open it to all class 1 schools then if they qualify for 2A they become ineligible for 8 man. I don't see how a school with 151-175 enrollment are immune to the problems that schools with 150 and below might have.

 

[touchdownsilly]

State runner up in 1987 (lost to Hardin 18-6)

State Champion in 2002 (beat Hayti 35-22)

I can not even remember the last time Adrian had a losing season. That's actually a great question have they had a losing season in the last 30 years?

 

[CaptainMullet]

I can not even remember the last time Adrian had a losing season. That's actually a great question have they had a losing season in the last 30 years?

I believe they've had 2 losing seasons in the last 45ish years.
And to go along with the 2 trips to the finals, they've also had 11 or so trips to semifinals.
Also, I've heard Archie is going 8-man. I'd say 0% chance Adrian goes 8 man this year or ever.

 

[bhunt95]

Will we be going back to 6 man that they had in 1950's if less kids keep going out

 

[bullitpdq68]

Will we be going back to 6 man that they had in 1950's if less kids keep going out

Alot of small schools in this area had that I believe. When I looked up some history I found several small schools playing that.

 

[BoosterBosko]

Alot of small schools in this area had that I believe. When I looked up some history I found several small schools playing that.

*A lot

 

[seksports3]

Will we be going back to 6 man that they had in 1950's if less kids keep going out

Happening in Kansas. They had one 6 man team 4 years ago and next year will have at least 15 with several more schools looking at switching in a couple years. The big problem in Kansas is they are mostly in Western part of the state and schools to far apart to co-op. But in last year or so some Central Kansas teams having problems having enough players to even have a 8 man team. Schools are not wanting to loss their identity and don't want to coo-op if they don't have to so 6 man is thriving. can see it starting in Western Missouri within a few years

 

[PCole]

I understand that but why not open it to all class 1 schools then if they qualify for 2A they become ineligible for 8 man. I don't see how a school with 151-175 enrollment are immune to the problems that schools with 150 and below might have.

The top of Class 1 now is well over 200. Those folks are already ineligible to move down to 8-man. People complained when the top limit for 8-man was 199 (or, under 200, whichever one prefers). They're (you're) complaining now. There's no perfect solution, or even close, because this stuff is determined by humans.

 

[Mofan79]

I do wish there was a waiver or appeal process for teams over the limit who risk not fielding a team over this co-oping isn't always an option for everyone and I hate to see more schools lose football

 

[HBL Pirates fan_1990]

That's what I about to say. Look at Missouri Military Academy have only 19 players on team and they have over 300 students players on their team. Even Class 5 Ruskin have 28 players on team.

Only way Louisiana moves to 8-man if teams like Mark Twain, Van-Far, Knox County, Salisbury, possibly Clopton-Elsberry or Paris follows.

I do wish there was a waiver or appeal process for teams over the limit who risk not fielding a team over this co-oping isn't always an option for everyone and I hate to see more schools lose football

 

[touchdownsilly]

The top of Class 1 now is well over 200. Those folks are already ineligible to move down to 8-man. People complained when the top limit for 8-man was 199 (or, under 200, whichever one prefers). They're (you're) complaining now. There's no perfect solution, or even close, because this stuff is determined by humans.

What are you talking about genius? I wasn't complaining I am just asking a simple question what is the difference between a school like Appleton City who is under 150 and has 30 kids out for 8 man football and Pleasant Hope who is over 150 so has to stay 11 man and forfeiting now 2 games in a row? Go find some ice to sit on you, you've been served.

 

[PCole]

What are you talking about genius? I wasn't complaining I am just asking a simple question what is the difference between a school like Appleton City who is under 150 and has 30 kids out for 8 man football and Pleasant Hope who is over 150 so has to stay 11 man and forfeiting now 2 games in a row? Go find some ice to sit on you, you've been served.

Here we go. I try to be nice and get called a name and asked to sit on ice. You just earned the last five letters of your phony screen name. Go home and play in your sand box now.

 

[touchdownsilly]

Here we go. I try to be nice and get called a name and asked to sit on ice. You just earned the last five letters of your phony screen name. Go home and play in your sand box now.

No no you called me out when I asked a legitimate and thought provoking question about schools struggling to play 11 man who are over 150 and you cried about people complaining.

"People complained when the top limit for 8-man was 199 (or, under 200, whichever one prefers). They're (you're) complaining now."

 

[vandyfan1313]

Any rumors about teams that are moving to 8-man next year. I have heard rumblings from the following, but nothing confirmed:

Louisiana
Maysville
Polo
Slater

Is anyone hearing about any other teams? What about schools that don't have football? Are there any planning to start football in 8-man? What about Sacred Heart? Do they still plan to co-op with Northwest (Hughesville)?

Slater will not be for the forseeable future. Louisiana won't until they can convince some other NEMO schools to go. Have heard Keytesville-NW-Brunswick might be starting a team, with Polo, Santa Fe and possibly Maysville exploring the switch as well.

 

[PCole]

No no you called me out when I asked a legitimate and thought provoking question about schools struggling to play 11 man who are over 150 and you cried about people complaining.

"People complained when the top limit for 8-man was 199 (or, under 200, whichever one prefers). They're (you're) complaining now."

You haven't seen the day you could school me, boy.

 

[Baldguy]

6-man and 11-man would be a better setup; we'd resemble Texas then. If a school can field basketball teams with a decent bench, they could field a 6-man team, and we could get out of co-ops. If we stay with 8-man, I'd say let any Class 1 public school that feels the need to go there to be able to. Also, on Jasper, I don't see them really doing it yet, as it seems this year was their valley (a top-notch JV squad and a struggling V squad that were basically the same team), yet 8-man might make more sense due to the scheduling ease and the fact there aren't too many geographically friendly schools playing 11-man anymore.

 

[bhunt95]

Alot of small schools in this area had that I believe. When I looked up some history I found several small schools playing that.

Not alot of baby making 1942-1945. Go to any small rural school that have those class pictures you can see in late 50's early 60's was some very small classes.

 

[touchdownsilly]

You haven't seen the day you could school me, boy.

Alright PHOLE

 

[Jman90]

Slater will not be for the forseeable future. Louisiana won't until they can convince some other NEMO schools to go. Have heard Keytesville-NW-Brunswick might be starting a team, with Polo, Santa Fe and possibly Maysville exploring the switch as well.

Lincoln? Sweet springs? or Concordia?