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Yo chubs...the barrier prevents the spread of (start reading slowly) BACTERIA over an OPEN WOUND IN THE BODY (or, in this case, the wound is a surgical opening). Covid is a VIRUS. Repeat that part, nice and slow.
Or, just pop on by the ER...tell them you pulled some fat, er muscle, and need to be looked at. While there, ask a few questions. I was as paranoid as anyone, then found myself in an ER for a stupid home accident. Started a conversation with a few of the nurses while they were treating me. Given what they told me I asked the doc. He concurred. So, I texted a few friends in the industry. Every single one had the same response. Masks don't prevent nor slow the spread of a virus. Not now, in the past, or ever. Where's Raw 9000 when I need the biological response to this???
Easy there, Eagles. To quote the great John Daly, "You can't pull fat." So nice try!
So you're saying that masks ARE effective at slowing/stopping the spread of bacteria but are NOT effective at slowing/stopping the spread of a virus?
If possible, you just moved up in my book with that Daly quote.
I think you're missing the whole open wound part of this debate...if you want to call it that. But yes, wearing masks to limit the spread of a virus doesn't work...unless, I suppose, you want to wear it all the time from now until eternity. And then...well, not go anywhere where there are other people breathing...and remember not to adjust or touch the outside of the mask...and have a mask that actually catches minute particles that spread a virus (see, not bacteria)...there are just so many dissimilarities to the two. Unless the virus is completely dead and gone (virtually impossible), there is absolutely no way to slow the spread and live a "normal" life outside of immunity...and then here come the crazy vax folks. This debate I can actually take and deal with because the media fed people an enormous line of BS about masks. The vax vs. anti-vax crowd I absolutely cannot handle. That's where the real dipsticks come to play.
But the moment there isn't an open wound, the mask becomes ineffective?
Like I've said before, Im no doctor. But even a quick Google search can show that bacteria and a virus both spread by airborne droplets and aerosols. Among other methods.
So if bacteria and viruses can both be spread by the same vector, in this case airborne droplets and aerosols, wouldn't a barrier over the mouth and nose be helpful? Now a point everyone seems to miss, the type of mask and proper fitting really determines how effective it is.
Again, Im no doctor.
Define ineffective. The surgical example is in a closed environment and the mask is one tool used.
Correct. Have you also Googled the size of bacteria versus virus? Or hell, simply Google your comparison. Or, and this is what I'd really urge anyone to do...talk to friends or acquaintances that are health care professionals. I'm not talking about your buddy that's a chiropractor. But like docs and nurses that deal with masks, their uses, when they become ineffective, and why they're effective in a surgical environment.
If you want to be as obtuse as getting me to say there's a barrier over the mouth and nose, obviously there is. But that barrier is about as effective as if a goose shat over you and you held a wire fence over your head. You're not going to get the full load, but you're still getting shat on. Now consider the size of a virus. Also consider that mask you're wearing allows air in, which means it also allows air out...soooooooo...again, the ridiculously obtuse viewpoint is to say that masks help so everyone wears them. But the "help" they offer isn't in the short term and isn't in a closed environment, therefore useless in slowing the spread of a virus. The way modern society is setup, there's no way to do it. There's a reason Montana had the fraction of cases (percentage) than say a New York or Florida. See, that's what I don't get. You know New York was masked up like no other...but yet, a virus does what a virus does. It spreads until immunity changes it. Why did we never wear masks for the flu? Or why is that not considered? Because, and nobody wants to hear this, it's exactly the same. The spread that is. I get not the virus itself, but the spread. Why isn't the flu the killer that this has been? Immunity, that's it. Nothing else. But mind you, if an overweight 85 yr old with respiratory issues gets Flu A...they're dead too. Man, it's a nasty nasty virus...but the thought that masks do a damned thing that actually really helps slow the spread is just silly. Now, if you want to wear a mask and try to limit YOUR exposure to the very minute virus particles (that are microscopically smaller than that bacteria your surgeon is keeping out of your wound) that are flowing through the air, then mask up. I can't imagine anyone gives a darn. And if they do they're kinda silly. But there's a reason interstates don't have a 30MPH speed limit. Sure, it would limit accidents a bit. But it's not really all that practical. And people are still going to get into accidents.
No, but being as fat as you are...I can see why you're so concerned about all of this. Just drink moree bourbon. It should sterilize you a bit.
I think you have simultaneously missed and proven my point all at once. The effective of masks, regardless of environment, bacteria, or virus, all comes down to two things. 1) type of mask and 2) how you're wearing said mask. Now is this going to slow down the spread of a virus 90% or even 20%? No. Not even close. But if you gain even 10 or 15% bit of "protection" or a 10 or 15% reduction in your ability to spread a virus, is that not worth it?
Didn't Dr. Robert Redfield, the former director of the CDC, literally hold up a simple surgical mask and state, "This is better than a vaccine" or something to that affect?
You CLEARLY do NOT MoSports enough. As my weight loss journey is WELL documented on here. Also, I am NOT a bourdon drinker. Ice cold beer, domestic or craft? You bet! Whiskey or rum? Sign me up. NICE TRY BOZO!!!
I’m just that damned talented.
That isn’t true. Just patently false. The environment with which they are used is absolutely the biggest factor.
You’re not “reducing” anything. You’re just prolonging it and dragging it out. That’s it. Unless you want them worn all the time and everybody in their house.
Idk man. When the CDC made it next to impossible to find the actual numbers on deaths…I quit listening to their drivel. I’m not a conspiracy theorist. Hell, I voted for Obama and Hillary. But sheesh man, those people, for whatever reason, buried the lead on death statistics and had people scared out of their minds. And I was one of the most scared. Until I started asking questions and digging.
You’re a rum guy, huh? Well, now, that explains a lot.
I am loving this debate. Brilliant minds, battling it out. And I've got a front seat! *grabs another handful of overly salted and buttered popcorn*
I also said ice cold domestic or craft beer, whiskey, AND rum! NICE TRY!
