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FIVE losses to Smithville in the past two and a half seasons. Does anyone in my hometown care?
 
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FIVE losses to Smithville in the past two and a half seasons. Does anyone in my hometown care?
After a 10-7 halftime lead. Clearly Kearney is a non-contender again this year (my 3-7 to 4-6 pre season prediction looking good tonight).
 
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Must be a very sure situation if tophat is calling for heads to roll at his beloved Kearney. He is usually fairly even keeled and politically correct with a pretty slow trigger finger!
Thanks I try to be sooo patient. I was just a bit hopeful after week 1 but things are now unacceptable...................were I a hiring manager (like I am at work) would clean house now..............
 
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Thanks I try to be sooo patient. I was just a bit hopeful after week 1 but things are now unacceptable...................were I a hiring manager (like I am at work) would clean house now..............
Smithville is in 100 percent REBUILD mode this year. I figured this would be an easy one for KTown............
 
FIVE losses to Smithville in the past two and a half seasons. Does anyone in my hometown care?

Top, the short answer is "NO". Kearney has given up on football. As I said years ago, the hire was a mistake - not making a move after year 1 was an even bigger mistake - with both the on-field product and the "mom stuff" (that's made it's way here.) O is bad, D is bad, special teams are probably the strength of this team, and their solid K missed 3 last night (one from 50) after hitting from 45. It's past house-cleaning time.

14 freaking seniors - and it's not their fault, but interest is way down. Jones never had fewer than 40 seniors, and quite a few of those seniors knew that they weren't going to play, but they had passion for the coach and passion for the program. JoeyNowsFootball raves about the 40 times of sophomores, but those kids (and half of the V should be playing JV.)

I don't begrudge Jones for leaving - and find no fault with Kearney for letting him go, but Kearney should have went out and found the next Greg Jones (a young, proven HC), rather than promoting a coordinator with no HC experience . No way should a high level class 4 (not "a") program hire an unproven HC. To not correct the experiment is extremely sad - I'm concerned that there will be a "covid - pass" given.
 
Top, the short answer is "NO". Kearney has given up on football. As I said years ago, the hire was a mistake - not making a move after year 1 was an even bigger mistake - with both the on-field product and the "mom stuff" (that's made it's way here.) O is bad, D is bad, special teams are probably the strength of this team, and their solid K missed 3 last night (one from 50) after hitting from 45. It's past house-cleaning time.

14 freaking seniors - and it's not their fault, but interest is way down. Jones never had fewer than 40 seniors, and quite a few of those seniors knew that they weren't going to play, but they had passion for the coach and passion for the program. JoeyNowsFootball raves about the 40 times of sophomores, but those kids (and half of the V should be playing JV.)

I don't begrudge Jones for leaving - and find no fault with Kearney for letting him go, but Kearney should have went out and found the next Greg Jones (a young, proven HC), rather than promoting a coordinator with no HC experience . No way should a high level class 4 (not "a") program hire an unproven HC. To not correct the experiment is extremely sad - I'm concerned that there will be a "covid - pass" given.
Who got promoted to HC?
 
Top, the short answer is "NO". Kearney has given up on football. As I said years ago, the hire was a mistake - not making a move after year 1 was an even bigger mistake - with both the on-field product and the "mom stuff" (that's made it's way here.) O is bad, D is bad, special teams are probably the strength of this team, and their solid K missed 3 last night (one from 50) after hitting from 45. It's past house-cleaning time.

14 freaking seniors - and it's not their fault, but interest is way down. Jones never had fewer than 40 seniors, and quite a few of those seniors knew that they weren't going to play, but they had passion for the coach and passion for the program. JoeyNowsFootball raves about the 40 times of sophomores, but those kids (and half of the V should be playing JV.)

I don't begrudge Jones for leaving - and find no fault with Kearney for letting him go, but Kearney should have went out and found the next Greg Jones (a young, proven HC), rather than promoting a coordinator with no HC experience . No way should a high level class 4 (not "a") program hire an unproven HC. To not correct the experiment is extremely sad - I'm concerned that there will be a "covid - pass" given.

I would like to clarify a few things.

1) Your hero and godhead Coach Jones is 0-2, as in zero, nada, zilch wins so far this year. Rave all you want, but zero wins.
2) I agree the team is not that good.
3) Interest way down? Maybe for the final two classes that were butthurt about King Jones leaving. But if I remember right, the best two Kearney teams of all time were not coached by King Jones. They were coached by a man named Thomas who just won another title last year.
4) I raved about the 40 times of sophmores that have freaking produced: One has scored two TDs and had 126 return yards in one game. One last night night had 6 solo tackles and an assist (#2 on the team,) and the other has been targeted three times with catchable balls, and caught all of them. There were only four Seniors starting last night and O, and that is a problem. And that is a problem.
5) It is not the Xs and Os but the Jimmys and Joes. You could have had Coach Lombardi the last two years, but when you have a low talent pool, and it happens, you can't expect to have high level success.
6) You seem to have some personal grudge vs. the current coach. It is pretty obvious. But don't cling to the old King Jones era...that is just good for making loser excuses.
7) Less vaping and more weight training. Sweat on the field, not in a video game. Collectively, you have to have a bunch of people that come together and want to earn things, not think you are entitled just because your school has been in 5 state title games in the past 18 years. And King Jones or Thomas or Lombardi can't make that happen. You have to have players interested in a team, focused on the team, and getting better every day, every play.
8) It is the beginning of the end of the Butthurt "King Jones left us" boohoo era.
 
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I would like to clarify a few things.

1) Your hero and godhead Coach Jones is 0-2, as in zero, nada, zilch wins so far this year. Rave all you want, but zero wins.
2) I agree the team is not that good.
3) Interest way down? Maybe for the final two classes that were butthurt about King Jones leaving. But if I remember right, the best two Kearney teams of all time were not coached by King Jones. They were coached by a man named Thomas who just won another title last year.
4) I raved about the 40 times of sophmores that have freaking produced: One has scored two TDs and had 126 return yards in one game. One last night night had 6 tackles and an assist (#2 on the team,) and the other has been targeted three times with catchable balls, and caught all of them. There were only four Seniors starting last night and O, and that is a problem. And that is a problem.
5) It is not the Xs and Os but the Jimmys and Joes. You could have had Coach Lombardi the last two years, but when you have a low talent pool, and it happens, you can't expect to have high level success.
6) You seem to have some personal grudge vs. the current coach. It is pretty obvious. But don't cling to the old King Jones era...that is just good for making loser excuses.

1) Good dude, great HS coach - I don't care how many he wins an LN. As I've said, I'm glad that the Kearney school district didn't go there in the salary scale. However, when Jones left, Kearney should have went out and hired another good/great coach.
2) Not good is an understatement - the program has become Platte & Smithville's bitch. It's looking like Tonka & Grandview will be home losses.
3) None of the coaches on this team played for Jones - neither this squad, nor last year's kids quit because theyu were "butthurt".
4) Again - 14 seniors is a Grey problem, it's not a "butthurt" problem. Seniors that knew they weren't going to play, put in the work to be a part of the team. The frosh who contributed last year, and whose 40 time you raved about last year, didn't go out this year as a Soph.
5) It's both the Xs and the Os and the Jimmys and Joes. It also appears that the Jimmys and the Joes don't want to play for this program - whereas Jimmy and Joe would transfer in to play for the former coach.
6) It's big boy football joey, I don't like LOSING, and I don't like the apathy for the program. I really wasn't a fan of the defenses the last several years either (they won BECAUSE of the Cales and the Marcus') - I hate that soft cover stuff.
I know the mom stuff is not appropriate - how the hell does a coach command the respect of 16-18 year-olds, with even a hint of that?
7) Why do you have such a mancrush on the coach? Three years and it's turned into a raging dumpster fire. How do you rationalize 0-5 vs Smithville? You still hanging your hat on beating the webbies?
 
K-town, until three years ago played 2 or 3 teams a year In the regular season with a pulse. Like it or not, Grain Valley and Smithville are growing into Kearney-like communities. Kearney’s schedule has changed. They now have three top flight teams in their conference and some quality non-conference foes. Gone are the days of building confidence on 7 bad teams a year and getting up for 3 a year. Coach Grey is a good coach. Coach jones is a good coach. Coach Jones had much better players. These players don’t even look remotely like the kids 4 years ago. Coach Grey is 1-0 against Coach Jones. This is a changing dynamic and Coach Grey has arrived at the wrong time.
 
The issue is this team has no identity, Kearney has the players, and if there isn't a title or 2 in the next few years, that will be on coaching. We are loaded with talent the next 4 years, and I'm sure there are some great coaches knocking on the door to get there name in.
 
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Oh sure. There are a lot of coaches who’d want to coach where people say things like that about the team. “If there isn’t a title or two in the next few years that will be on the coaching.” The arrogance and stupidity in that statement are sure to attract great coaches from all over the Midwest.
 
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K-town, until three years ago played 2 or 3 teams a year In the regular season with a pulse. Like it or not, Grain Valley and Smithville are growing into Kearney-like communities. Kearney’s schedule has changed. They now have three top flight teams in their conference and some quality non-conference foes. Gone are the days of building confidence on 7 bad teams a year and getting up for 3 a year. Coach Grey is a good coach. Coach jones is a good coach. Coach Jones had much better players. These players don’t even look remotely like the kids 4 years ago. Coach Grey is 1-0 against Coach Jones. This is a changing dynamic and Coach Grey has arrived at the wrong time.

This is the apathy/excuse making that is indicative of the environment Top noted in the OP.

What the actual eff are you talking about? "Kearney's schedule has changed" - sure, it's been watered down, gone are Staley and Liberty squads. Who the heck are the power houses that Kearney is playing? Smithville? Grain Valley? Platte County was on the schedule during the Jones era (and he didn't lose to them.) That Smithville program that has beaten Kearney 5 times in 3 years, hasn't made any noise at the state level.

Why do you think "these players don't even look remotely like the kids 4 years ago"? You don't think that has anything to do with building/maintaining a culture and a program (and it doesn't start at 9th or 10th grade)? The problem isn't that Grey arrived at the wrong time - it's that he arrived. Qb change (and it probably should have been done last year) - then they keep playing the new QB on D a special teams (WTF), and he gets banged up in the 1st half (of game 2)....it's amateur hour.

Remember when Jones had a "weakness" at qb, Pritzel moved to Kearney to play for the program - nobody is moving in to play for this....and the QB position was probably stronger then, w/o Pritzel than it is now.
 
Oh sure. There are a lot of coaches who’d want to coach where people say things like that about the team. “If there isn’t a title or two in the next few years that will be on the coaching.” The arrogance and stupidity in that statement are sure to attract great coaches from all over the Midwest.

Kearney has the facilities, budget and support, that it's still an outstanding opportunity for an experienced head coach - there was no reason to experiment with an assistant who had never chosen to take the leap in 20 years or so of coaching. I question that if JG really had "IT" to be a HC, he would have stepped out a decade ago. There's a big difference in coordinating and being the face of the program.
 
This is the apathy/excuse making that is indicative of the environment Top noted in the OP.

What the actual eff are you talking about? "Kearney's schedule has changed" - sure, it's been watered down, gone are Staley and Liberty squads. Who the heck are the power houses that Kearney is playing? Smithville? Grain Valley? Platte County was on the schedule during the Jones era (and he didn't lose to them.) That Smithville program that has beaten Kearney 5 times in 3 years, hasn't made any noise at the state level.

Why do you think "these players don't even look remotely like the kids 4 years ago"? You don't think that has anything to do with building/maintaining a culture and a program (and it doesn't start at 9th or 10th grade)? The problem isn't that Grey arrived at the wrong time - it's that he arrived. Qb change (and it probably should have been done last year) - then they keep playing the new QB on D a special teams (WTF), and he gets banged up in the 1st half (of game 2)....it's amateur hour.

Remember when Jones had a "weakness" at qb, Pritzel moved to Kearney to play for the program - nobody is moving in to play for this....and the QB position was probably stronger then, w/o Pritzel than it is now.
Since you mentioned Pritzel, here is Kearney’s reg season schedule that year:
W SJ Central 4-7
W Liberty 3-7
L Liberty North 8-3
W Raytown South 4-7
W Ruskin 0-10
W Tonka 1-9
W Platte County 6-4
W Belton 8-4
W Grandview 6-5
Opponent records combined: 42-56
Last years schedule:
W Harrisonville 6-6
L Staley 10-3
L Platte County 11-4
W Tonka 5-5
W Grandview 5-6
W Belton 0-10
L Grain Valley 9-4
W Ray South 2-8
L Smithville 9-2
Opponents records combined: 57-48

In 2015 Jones played a cupcake schedule compared to what Kearney faces now. No argument.
 
Kearney has the facilities, budget and support, that it's still an outstanding opportunity for an experienced head coach - there was no reason to experiment with an assistant who had never chosen to take the leap in 20 years or so of coaching. I question that if JG really had "IT" to be a HC, he would have stepped out a decade ago. There's a big difference in coordinating and being the face of the program.
So whose on the shortlist you would've hired if you were the A.D.
 
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So whose on the shortlist you would've hired if you were the A.D.
I think these “Hometown Bulldogs” are actually just Kool-aide drinkers of the last coach who secretly hope they lose so they can continue their worship. They are finding deep satisfaction under the guise of actual concern. Every loss provides them with an “I told you so.”
 
1) Good dude, great HS coach - I don't care how many he wins an LN. As I've said, I'm glad that the Kearney school district didn't go there in the salary scale. However, when Jones left, Kearney should have went out and hired another good/great coach.
2) Not good is an understatement - the program has become Platte & Smithville's bitch. It's looking like Tonka & Grandview will be home losses.
3) None of the coaches on this team played for Jones - neither this squad, nor last year's kids quit because theyu were "butthurt".
4) Again - 14 seniors is a Grey problem, it's not a "butthurt" problem. Seniors that knew they weren't going to play, put in the work to be a part of the team. The frosh who contributed last year, and whose 40 time you raved about last year, didn't go out this year as a Soph.
5) It's both the Xs and the Os and the Jimmys and Joes. It also appears that the Jimmys and the Joes don't want to play for this program - whereas Jimmy and Joe would transfer in to play for the former coach.
6) It's big boy football joey, I don't like LOSING, and I don't like the apathy for the program. I really wasn't a fan of the defenses the last several years either (they won BECAUSE of the Cales and the Marcus') - I hate that soft cover stuff.
I know the mom stuff is not appropriate - how the hell does a coach command the respect of 16-18 year-olds, with even a hint of that?
7) Why do you have such a mancrush on the coach? Three years and it's turned into a raging dumpster fire. How do you rationalize 0-5 vs Smithville? You still hanging your hat on beating the webbies?

Okay
 
I think these “Hometown Bulldogs” are actually just Kool-aide drinkers of the last coach who secretly hope they lose so they can continue their worship. They are finding deep satisfaction under the guise of actual concern. Every loss provides them with an “I told you so.”

And what has LN won the last four years? One Conference title? Okay....
 
1) Good dude, great HS coach - I don't care how many he wins an LN. As I've said, I'm glad that the Kearney school district didn't go there in the salary scale. However, when Jones left, Kearney should have went out and hired another good/great coach.
2) Not good is an understatement - the program has become Platte & Smithville's bitch. It's looking like Tonka & Grandview will be home losses.
3) None of the coaches on this team played for Jones - neither this squad, nor last year's kids quit because theyu were "butthurt".
4) Again - 14 seniors is a Grey problem, it's not a "butthurt" problem. Seniors that knew they weren't going to play, put in the work to be a part of the team. The frosh who contributed last year, and whose 40 time you raved about last year, didn't go out this year as a Soph.
5) It's both the Xs and the Os and the Jimmys and Joes. It also appears that the Jimmys and the Joes don't want to play for this program - whereas Jimmy and Joe would transfer in to play for the former coach.
6) It's big boy football joey, I don't like LOSING, and I don't like the apathy for the program. I really wasn't a fan of the defenses the last several years either (they won BECAUSE of the Cales and the Marcus') - I hate that soft cover stuff.
I know the mom stuff is not appropriate - how the hell does a coach command the respect of 16-18 year-olds, with even a hint of that?
7) Why do you have such a mancrush on the coach? Three years and it's turned into a raging dumpster fire. How do you rationalize 0-5 vs Smithville? You still hanging your hat on beating the webbies?

Why would you blame the HC for a track athlete not wanting to play if they have a really strong chance of being nationally ranked in track? Perhaps they don't want to take a chance on blowing out a leg playing football? he was replaced with comperable speed by two sophmores anyway, who contribute more football skills.
 
K-town, until three years ago played 2 or 3 teams a year In the regular season with a pulse. Like it or not, Grain Valley and Smithville are growing into Kearney-like communities. Kearney’s schedule has changed. They now have three top flight teams in their conference and some quality non-conference foes. Gone are the days of building confidence on 7 bad teams a year and getting up for 3 a year. Coach Grey is a good coach. Coach jones is a good coach. Coach Jones had much better players. These players don’t even look remotely like the kids 4 years ago. Coach Grey is 1-0 against Coach Jones. This is a changing dynamic and Coach Grey has arrived at the wrong time.

Liberty North

2017 4-6
2018 4-6
2019 11-1 Conference Champs
2020 0-2

2 wins 2 Losses versus Liberty Bluejays.
 
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Since you mentioned Pritzel, here is Kearney’s reg season schedule that year:
W SJ Central 4-7
W Liberty 3-7
L Liberty North 8-3
W Raytown South 4-7
W Ruskin 0-10
W Tonka 1-9
W Platte County 6-4
W Belton 8-4
W Grandview 6-5
Opponent records combined: 42-56
Last years schedule:
W Harrisonville 6-6
L Staley 10-3
L Platte County 11-4
W Tonka 5-5
W Grandview 5-6
W Belton 0-10
L Grain Valley 9-4
W Ray South 2-8
L Smithville 9-2
Opponents records combined: 57-48

In 2015 Jones played a cupcake schedule compared to what Kearney faces now. No argument.

For starters, you have the wrong year (2016 for AP); Secondly, instead of looking at records - which have no quality of W value, you have to look at the underlying opponent.

Conference games are set - in 2015 K played up a class in every non-con, those schools were competing with the likes of Blue Springs, Lee's Summit, the Park Hills, etc, to simply look at W-L is very SIMPLISTIC. When you schedule teams, you don't know how good they're going to be - but if you're putting a Liberty School or a Staley on the schedule (and thankfully K got rid of that one this year), your players should get tested - which is the objective. H'ville wasn't very good when Kearney played them (game 1), and probably half of their wins came against lower class opponents - do you think that Harrisonville in 2019 was a tougher matchup than Liberty in 2015?
 
Liberty North

2017 4-6
2018 4-6
2019 11-1 Conference Champs
2020 0-2

2 wins 2 Losses versus Liberty Bluejays.
11-1 and beat 3 teams with winning records last year.
For starters, you have the wrong year (2016 for AP); Secondly, instead of looking at records - which have no quality of W value, you have to look at the underlying opponent.

Conference games are set - in 2015 K played up a class in every non-con, those schools were competing with the likes of Blue Springs, Lee's Summit, the Park Hills, etc, to simply look at W-L is very SIMPLISTIC. When you schedule teams, you don't know how good they're going to be - but if you're putting a Liberty School or a Staley on the schedule (and thankfully K got rid of that one this year), your players should get tested - which is the objective. H'ville wasn't very good when Kearney played them (game 1), and probably half of their wins came against lower class opponents - do you think that Harrisonville in 2019 was a tougher matchup than Liberty in 2015?
Only the arrogance of a “Hometown Kearney Fan” would argue that Platte County, Smithville and Grain Valley aren’t among the best KC has to offer and keep getting better. Yes, things have changed. The schedule is harder week to week. Confidence pays the price when there are weekly opponents with a pulse, instead of just 2 games to get up for. Yes, Harrisonville would have turbo clocked that terrible Liberty team and the one the year before as well. That’s another thing that’s changed. Liberty has it going.
 
For starters, you have the wrong year (2016 for AP); Secondly, instead of looking at records - which have no quality of W value, you have to look at the underlying opponent.

Conference games are set - in 2015 K played up a class in every non-con, those schools were competing with the likes of Blue Springs, Lee's Summit, the Park Hills, etc, to simply look at W-L is very SIMPLISTIC. When you schedule teams, you don't know how good they're going to be - but if you're putting a Liberty School or a Staley on the schedule (and thankfully K got rid of that one this year), your players should get tested - which is the objective. H'ville wasn't very good when Kearney played them (game 1), and probably half of their wins came against lower class opponents - do you think that Harrisonville in 2019 was a tougher matchup than Liberty in 2015?

Okay...let's look at who Liberty North actually beat, LOL:

2017.

Truman 2-9
Park Hill South 4-6
St. Joe Central 4-7
Columbia Hickman 1-9

2018
Truman 0-10
Liberty 7-4 (OMG, a winning team)
St. Joe Central 2-9
Park Hill South 2-10

2019
Three teams with a winning record.
 
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After a 10-7 halftime lead. Clearly Kearney is a non-contender again this year (my 3-7 to 4-6 pre season prediction looking good tonight).
So sorry to blow my stack last Friday night everyone! Still, though, contend THIS was THE benchmark game of this (asterisk) 2020 season. NOW the Winnetonka game will be the one that determines if the regular season is over or under .500 (will easily beat Ray South, Ruskin and Grandview and lose just as easily to an OUTSTANDING Grain Valley and DeSoto KS who knocked off power Lawrence Free State). Tonka, by the way will enter that one 5 and O! Mark it down...........
 
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Did it ever occur to you guys that Smithville is a good football program now and is going in the right direction? Also they are coached well. You don’t just win because you go to Kearney. Smithville is winning because they are all around better right now.
 
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Did it ever occur to you guys that Smithville is a good football program now and is going in the right direction? Also they are coached well. You don’t just win because you go to Kearney. Smithville is winning because they are all around better right now.
Logic! Finally! Like i said, fake K-Town Hometowners just want them to fail because their idol is gone and it justifies their hero-worship. Coach Grey is a good coach too.
 
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Did it ever occur to you guys that Smithville is a good football program now and is going in the right direction? Also they are coached well. You don’t just win because you go to Kearney. Smithville is winning because they are all around better right now.
The last two years yes. This year NO. Platte County will beat them by 21 minimum. This was an even matchup...............heck it was for one half. HALFTIME ADJUSTMENTS were what swung this one.
 
Logic! Finally! Like i said, fake K-Town Hometowners just want them to fail because their idol is gone and it justifies their hero-worship. Coach Grey is a good coach too.
Disagree sorry to say. I sure WANT him to succeed. Again glad to see some do still seem to care. This is year four.................halftime adjustments are still not there plus (cannot unfortunately do this in 2020) I don't care for pregame warmups. It was actually a couple of Webbies (one of whom I text with actively to this day) who pointed this out. Watch JRod's pregame. It is a CLINIC of ORGANIZATION and EFFICIENCY. So is Jones and staff................
 
Top, the short answer is "NO". Kearney has given up on football. As I said years ago, the hire was a mistake - not making a move after year 1 was an even bigger mistake - with both the on-field product and the "mom stuff" (that's made it's way here.) O is bad, D is bad, special teams are probably the strength of this team, and their solid K missed 3 last night (one from 50) after hitting from 45. It's past house-cleaning time.

14 freaking seniors - and it's not their fault, but interest is way down. Jones never had fewer than 40 seniors, and quite a few of those seniors knew that they weren't going to play, but they had passion for the coach and passion for the program. JoeyNowsFootball raves about the 40 times of sophomores, but those kids (and half of the V should be playing JV.)

I don't begrudge Jones for leaving - and find no fault with Kearney for letting him go, but Kearney should have went out and found the next Greg Jones (a young, proven HC), rather than promoting a coordinator with no HC experience . No way should a high level class 4 (not "a") program hire an unproven HC. To not correct the experiment is extremely sad - I'm concerned that there will be a "covid - pass" given.
Actually this is likely to be a total "asterisk" season ergo we are likely to see no change. I HATE ever getting to this point frankly. It is just the competitor in me I suppose................
 
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