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You Can't Be a Christian and Vote for Trump

Gubba Bump Shrimp

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A Christian who supports Trump either does not understand this person and his positions, or supports him in spite of Christian convictions.

1. He lacks compassion.

The Bible says: “As God’s chosen ones, holy and beloved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, meekness, and patience.” (Colossians 3:12)

On this point, we could cite Mr. Trump’s many instances of inflammatory rhetoric against immigrants and Muslims, his record of discriminatory housing practices, his public cruelty to ex-spouses or his sensational and mean-spirited feuds with other celebrities as evidence of his lack of compassion. But consider a recent AP-GfK poll showing that among Republicans, he is largely believed to lack compassion. And bear in mind, these are the people most likely to view him favorably. Many of those voters polled expressed this was not a concern. But for Christians, an unrepentant lack of compassion suggests that the man does not seek to please God or lead according to His will.

2. He appeals to fear and anger.


The Bible says: “There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear; for fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not reached perfection in love.”(1 John 4:18)

The recent attacks in San Bernadino and Paris are undeniably troubling. Meanwhile, more Americans are finding the changing economy an increasingly hostile and unforgiving place. Americans’ fears are existential and not without warrant. But Christians are called to love without fear. Mr. Trump has chosen to make immigration and the economy central themes of his campaign and his rhetoric surrounding these issues consistently appeals to fear and anger, absent appeals to love. Most notoriously, he chose to characterize Hispanic immigrants as rapists. Regardless of our policy convictions around the place of undocumented immigrants, this broad characterization is cynically aimed to incite fear and anger. His recent endorsement by the white supremacist American Freedom Party is the fruit of this rhetoric. It is also a callous and hostile way to characterize people, some of whom are our brothers and sisters in Christ, all of whom are God’s children.

3. He is enamored with “greatness” and ego, but has no concern for “goodness” or service.

The Bible says: “Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth. Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled. Blessed are the merciful, for they will receive mercy. Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.” (Matthew 5: 5-8)

In The Narcissist Next Door, author Jeffrey Kluger suggests Trump is a classic narcissist. Some might say that running for office encourages this sort of thing. But narcissism might be the most dangerous condition for a Christian — without humility and self-effacement, we are incapable of modeling Jesus’ behavior, we allow no space for the Holy Spirit to bless our relationships, and we are unable to receive or revel in the goodness of God. Ask yourself the last time you saw a public expression of humility from Mr. Trump.

4. He lies — a lot.

The Bible says: “Beware then of useless grumbling, and keep your tongue from slander; because no secret word is without result, and a lying mouth destroys the soul.” (Wisdom 1:11)

According to Pulitzer Prize winning truth-checkers Politifact, which compares candidate statements to evidence, Trump’s statements are verifiably false 76 percent of the time. Among these is this infamous lie about 9/11: “I watched in Jersey City, N.J., where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as [the World Trade Center] was coming down. Thousands of people were cheering.” Not only is this pattern of dishonesty troubling for religious believers, it should disturb any citizen contemplating a vote for the most powerful office on the planet. Lying was enough to get two presidents impeached. Christian or not, telling the truth less than one-quarter of the time while a candidate is the reddest of flags.

5. He is hostile to women.

The Bible says: “But now you must get rid of all such things—anger, wrath, malice, slander, and abusive language from your mouth.” (Colossians 3:8)

Trump’s feud with Fox News host Megyn Kelly is now the stuff of legend, but what prompted the tension initially were his documented remarks about women, which Kelly reiterated during the Aug. 6 GOP debate: “You’ve called women you don’t like ‘fat pigs,’ ‘dogs,’ ‘slobs,’ and ‘disgusting animals.’” Trump has said the remarks were taken out of context.

6. He speaks about his daughter in a disrespectful and sexualized way.


The Bible says: “Do you have daughters? Be concerned for their chastity, and do not show yourself too indulgent with them.” (Sirach 7:24)

In a 2006 interview with Rolling Stone, when asked about the idea of his daughter posing for Playboy, Trump replied, “I’ve said if Ivanka weren’t my daughter, perhaps I’d be dating her.” For a self-identified Presbyterian, such a statement is hard to square with Calvinist sexual ethics.

7. He does not attempt to love his enemies, but instead cultivates antagonism.

The Bible says: “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be children of your Father in heaven; for he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the righteous and on the unrighteous.” (Matthew 5:43-48)

Trump’s “plans” for dealing with adversaries involve heavy and immediate use of force. Regarding ISIS, he told Fox & Friends on Dec. 2, “I would knock the hell out of ISIS… [and] when you get these terrorists, you have to take out their families.” Most military and diplomatic experts quickly retorted that such tactics used a decade ago were precisely what created ISIS. Apart from the strategic factors, such an approach to handling enemies, one that vindictively aims to punish the potentially innocent, is 100 percent counter to one of the core tenets of Jesus’ teaching.

8. He does not model sacrifice or altruism.

The Bible says: “But many who are first will be last, and the last will be first.” (Matthew 19:30)

Perhaps Mr. Trump’s most credible qualification for the presidency is his prodigious business success, about which he never fails to remind us. However, Christians must consider how he made his fortune. Rather than invest in companies who provide goods and services which contribute to the prosperity of the Americans he seeks to lead, he has invested heavily in casino gambling. He gave his name to a sham university, defrauding students in the process. He has lobbied for and exploited imminent domain laws to muscle people off their property, most notably a New Jersey widow. Much has been made of his companies’ multiple bankruptcies; more damning, though, is the fact that when his mortgage company failed, he denied responsibility, saying that he only let the company use his name.

9. He doesn’t seem to care about the poor.


The Bible says: “Jesus said to him, ‘If you wish to be perfect, go, sell your possessions, and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; then come, follow me.’” (Matthew 19:21)

Trump’s policy ideas across the board are shockingly thin, typical of demagogues. On the issues of poverty, hunger, and oppression, topics everyone from Jesus to Jeremiah cared a great deal about, Trump is deafeningly silent. This alone is unacceptable. To be fair, though, here is one of Trump’s few but fairly specific plans for helping the disadvantaged: “Teenage mothers [shouldn’t] get public assistance unless they jump through some pretty small hoops. Making them live in group homes makes sense.” His best 21st-century idea is the worst of 18th-century ideas.

10. His love of money is more apparent than his love of God or others.

The Bible says: “No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.” (Matthew 6:24)

“My whole life I’ve been greedy, greedy, greedy,” Trump said at recent rally. “I’ve grabbed all the money I could get. I’m so greedy.” The spiritual concern here is not so much greed, but the misplaced priorities that his statement reveals. He has made the pursuit of material wealth an idol and worshipped it his entire life. Trump has forgotten the source of all wealth, the Creator of all abundance, and instead deifies the gifts of God rather than God himself. No moral offense receives so many warnings in both the Old and New Testament as idolatry. Trump’s confession of this addiction is a good first step, but he hardly seems repentant.

Christopher Pieper, Ph.D.
 
Voting republican is more important than voting for a Christian for many on this board and in this country. Again, hypocrisy.
 
Voting republican is more important than voting for a Christian for many on this board and in this country. Again, hypocrisy.

And the above could not be said about Hillary also?

Spare us the hypocrisy talk. Both choices, the dem and pub are horrible. Neither of the candidates appear to walk too close to God.

Why should you care, you mostly make fun of christian's on here anyway?
 
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And the above could not be said about Hillary also?

Spare us the hypocrisy talk. Both choices, the dem and pub are horrible. Neither of the candidates appear to walk too close to God.

Why should you care, you mostly make fun of christian's on here anyway?

Dems are supposed to be Godless heathens and will vote for anyone with a D in front of their name, thought Christians were supposed to be Christians first? I miss the good old days when religious people stayed out of politics.
 
Dems are supposed to be Godless heathens and will vote for anyone with a D in front of their name, thought Christians were supposed to be Christians first? I miss the good old days when religious people stayed out of politics.

I'm curious,

When did religious people stay out of politics?
 
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And the above could not be said about Hillary also?

Spare us the hypocrisy talk. Both choices, the dem and pub are horrible. Neither of the candidates appear to walk too close to God.

Why should you care, you mostly make fun of christian's on here anyway?

yet your comrades here that claim to be Christian will once again follow their neocon masters and vote as they are instructed.

Best part is the dumbest one is always talking about others' lack of education.
 
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I do think the Democrats have a point. Bill was not really having sex with an underaged child .

"is is"
 
And the above could not be said about Hillary also?

Spare us the hypocrisy talk. Both choices, the dem and pub are horrible. Neither of the candidates appear to walk too close to God.

Why should you care, you mostly make fun of christian's on here anyway?
Most Hillary voters are not pounding their chest self promoting Christians.

I make fun of hypocrisy. The Christians on this board are the lowest hanging fruit in that regard.
 
Are any of the "Christian" Trump voters going to dispute any of these claims or are you really comfortable being a hypocrite and voting against your religious beliefs?

Such strong conviction in your beliefs...
 
Are any of the "Christian" Trump voters going to dispute any of these claims or are you really comfortable being a hypocrite and voting against your religious beliefs?

Such strong conviction in your beliefs...

In your opinion, who should a christian vote for this election?
 
You can be a sinner and vote for Trump. For we all fall short, that's the purpose of the cross. "God, forgive me for voting for a man or woman that has fallen short of your commandments, please help me to make the choice you would want". God Bless.
 
In your opinion, who should a christian vote for this election?

I don't know. It might be best for them to simply not vote. I mean if your options are betray your religion or betray your politics, it would be easiest to just stay out of it.

Unless of course your religion isn't as important as the "Christian" conservatives on this board claim it is.
 
You can be a sinner and vote for Trump. For we all fall short, that's the purpose of the cross. "God, forgive me for voting for a man or woman that has fallen short of your commandments, please help me to make the choice you would want". God Bless.

No, if you truly believe what you say and truly believe your religious convictions, you wouldn't allow yourself to knowingly vote for someone who is decidedly un-Christian.

What does Trump value more, Jesus or money?
 
I don't know. It might be best for them to simply not vote. I mean if your options are betray your religion or betray your politics, it would be easiest to just stay out of it.

Unless of course your religion isn't as important as the "Christian" conservatives on this board claim it is.
It is important, but again, I can vote for a sinner. For I am one too. Probably worse in some regards.
 
The lover of money is the root of all evil. God is indiscriminate on who he punishes. He's a busy man, we all are the same to him. Atrocities, genocide happen to Christian and Atheist. Who are we to question why?
 
I buried my son at a very young age that was sinless. He suffered unthinkable pain. This is best I can understand about the mind of God.
 
I buried my son at a very young age that was sinless. He suffered unthinkable pain. This is best I can understand about the mind of God.

Condolences, again, if you consider yourself an evangelical Christian, you cannot vote for Trump without compromising your religious convictions.
 
I buried my son at a very young age that was sinless. He suffered unthinkable pain. This is best I can understand about the mind of God.

Sorry for your loss.
Do not let these folks get to you, most are harmless.
This board is just for "fun". :)

Nothing funny about your post, respect your opinion ....



 
Sorry for your loss.
Do not let these folks get to you, most are harmless.
This board is just for "fun". :)

Nothing funny about your post, respect your opinion ....

I assume this is directed at me. He's the one who brought his kid into it, I offered condolences, but ultimately it had little to do with the content of the thread.

He has my sympathy, but nothing he wrote changes the point of the OP.

If that isn't "nice" so be it, but it's not malicious either, so let's not act like it is.

Back on topic, please and thank you.
 
I don't know. It might be best for them to simply not vote. I mean if your options are betray your religion or betray your politics, it would be easiest to just stay out of it.

Unless of course your religion isn't as important as the "Christian" conservatives on this board claim it is.


Trump is a money loving braggart,

Hillary is the epitome of corruption,

Johnson endorses gay marriage and legalization of marijuana,

Stein is an agnostic.


It doesn't really look like a christian has a great choice to pick from.

However, don't you think all citizens should vote for the candidate that comes the CLOSEST to their own beliefs?

Are you really advocating that christian's shouldn't vote?
 
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Trump is a money loving braggart,

Hillary is the epitome of corruption,

Johnson endorses gay marriage and legalization of marijuana,

Stein is an agnostic.


It doesn't really look like a christian has a great choice to pick from.

However, don't you think all citizens should vote for the candidate that comes the CLOSEST to their own beliefs?

Are you really advocating that christian's shouldn't vote?

I've advocated that people who have no clue what the issues are shouldn't vote before.

If your religion is REALLY more important than your party, then prove it. Don't vote.
 
I understand your big point, but it's falling short for a few reasons.

There hasn't been a perfect Christian for over 2000 years. Sin is sin. It's really hard to rank them. And since according to Christian belief we are all sinners by nature that would make Trump no better or worse than any candidate before him or any candidate who will come after him. Just another flawed human like all of us.

There is such thing as a sin of omission. And if a Christian truly believes that a Clinton presidency will create more footholds for evil to prevail, then it is indeed their Christian duty to act to prevent that. You know, by voting for someone else. Probably Trump.

Now if your point is that Christians are hypocrites who talk a big game but their actions usually fall well short of their rhetoric, well welcome to Christianity. It's a religion of forgiveness, not perfection.

Yes, most churches are full of sinners. That's why they go to church. I remember my priest growing up saying that if you're a perfect Christian you wouldn't need church. You already achieved the goal... same reason a hospital is full of sick people instead of healthy people.

But to claim they shouldn't vote because it violates some arbitrary code of ethics that you've set seems like a stretch.

Btw, I don't go to church. I was raised Catholic but I'm not really sure where I stand with religion these days.
 
I understand your big point, but it's falling short for a few reasons.

There hasn't been a perfect Christian for over 2000 years. Sin is sin. It's really hard to rank them. And since according to Christian belief we are all sinners by nature that would make Trump no better or worse than any candidate before him or any candidate who will come after him. Just another flawed human like all of us.

There is such thing as a sin of omission. And if a Christian truly believes that a Clinton presidency will create more footholds for evil to prevail, then it is indeed their Christian duty to act to prevent that. You know, by voting for someone else. Probably Trump.

Now if your point is that Christians are hypocrites who talk a big game but their actions usually fall well short of their rhetoric, well welcome to Christianity. It's a religion of forgiveness, not perfection.

Yes, most churches are full of sinners. That's why they go to church. I remember my priest growing up saying that if you're a perfect Christian you wouldn't need church. You already achieved the goal... same reason a hospital is full of sick people instead of healthy people.

But to claim they shouldn't vote because it violates some arbitrary code of ethics that you've set seems like a stretch.

Btw, I don't go to church. I was raised Catholic but I'm not really sure where I stand with religion these days.

There's never been a perfect Christian. Jesus was a Jew.

It's debatable that Clinton is worse than Trump from a Christian perspective. Ultimately people are so divided they're voting their party regardless of whether that candidate actually represents them.
 
There's never been a perfect Christian. Jesus was a Jew.

It's debatable that Clinton is worse than Trump from a Christian perspective. Ultimately people are so divided they're voting their party regardless of whether that candidate actually represents them.

I think the debate gets easier when folks consider how many Supreme Court nominations the next president may have. And a lot of Christians are basing their vote on that exact reason. If a president will appoint justices who will protect what those voters see as their Christian values then that's a fantastic reason to vote for Trump.
 
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I think the debate gets easier when folks consider how many Supreme Court nominations the next president may have. And a lot of Christians are basing their vote on that exact reason. If a president will appoint justices who will protect what those voters see as their Christian values then that's a fantastic reason to vote for Trump.

Trump?

The 3 time married, pro-choice, greedy magnate who apparently has cheated several business partners as well as cheating on former wives is representative of Christianity? I hope not.
 
Trump is a money loving braggart,

Hillary is the epitome of corruption,

Johnson endorses gay marriage and legalization of marijuana,

Stein is an agnostic.


It doesn't really look like a christian has a great choice to pick from.

However, don't you think all citizens should vote for the candidate that comes the CLOSEST to their own beliefs?

Are you really advocating that christian's shouldn't vote?

Hillary has been the target of GOP for 20 years and they literally have nothing on her. Either they're really bad at what they do (which could be the case) or she's not 'the epitome of corruption'.

What does marijuana have to do with Christianity? What did Jesus say about gays?

Trump is as far from Christian as ANYONE that's ran the last 30 years. Divorces, adultery, running away from debts, dealing with the mob, arrogant , yada yada. He's the total package. Plus he worships money which is why most GOPers like him. They do too.
 
Are any of the "Christian" Trump voters going to dispute any of these claims or are you really comfortable being a hypocrite and voting against your religious beliefs?

Such strong conviction in your beliefs...

1st, Every bullit point you posted was a persons impression of Trump that could be completely true or false.
2nd, a Christian can vote for non Christians......many will vote for the proven liar and crook Hillary.
3rd, you could care less about a Christians true beliefs. You care about the beliefs you assign Christians.
 
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1st, Every bullit point you posted was a persons impression of Trum that could be completely true or false.
2nd, a Christian can vote for non Christians......many will vote for the proven liar and crook Hillary.
3rd, you could care less about a Christians true beliefs. You care about the beliefs you assign Christians.

Yeah those bullet points are someone's opinions...backed up with facts, examples, and scriptures he flies in the face of.

Miller I've always known you were a hypocrite, I just wish your religious beliefs were as strong as your party loyalty.
 
Trump?

The 3 time married, pro-choice, greedy magnate who apparently has cheated several business partners as well as cheating on former wives is representative of Christianity? I hope not.

No, he isn't.

But he might appoint Supreme Court Justices who will support rights and values that are very important to Christian voters.

And that's a very important aspect of this election.
 
No, he isn't.

But he might appoint Supreme Court Justices who will support rights and values that are very important to Christian voters.

And that's a very important aspect of this election.

Which rights and values? How has the GOP dealt with those to this point ? What are Trump's positions on these values?
 
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