I could see this game 10-7 or 35-28. Barring turnovers from either team it should be a very competitive game. WC has definitely started playing better offensively the last few weeks (limiting turnovers). I am not sure which team if any could win by 3 or 4 tds.
WC vs. CJ What will this game look like
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Certainly agree with that. Both teams playing extremely well and crowd will be huge. Why not a classic battle? The way it should be at this point.
Webb has improved, but so has CJ. Id reverse the score above. Should be a great atmosphere. But I think it'll be the end of the season for this Webb team.
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Lots of football, of course, ahead of next week but I like the Districts 5 and 8 champs in C4 to meet in Springfield. Which two of the four it will be is anyone's guess..............
I feel like this is the true shootout game that has been expected between these two teams over the past four years. 48-42 CJ
WEBB in a runaway.. I said it 30 minutes after the first game I stick by it now. CJ has a good team but I still dont think as good or near as fast as last years team. This year WEBB started off with two QBs that looked like they had zero experience and wanted nothing to do with option Football. Couldnt get a snap off and wanted to give the ball up as fast as they got their hands on it. WEBB put it on the ground more through the first four games this season as the last four seasons combined. Guess what, thats changed. WEBBs D has been pretty solid all season how else can a team have close to 30 turnovers and still be alive. CJ pts for 380 pa 183 WEBB pts for 366 pa 167. Pretty close.. Considering WEBB lost at CJ putting the ball on the ground 11 times by only 16 said alot to me about their D. Theyve only gotten better...I know most improve through the season. I will say this though if its going to happen it better happen now for the Bulldogs. Honestly besides 07 Ive never thought OMG WEBB is going to be so much better next year. The freshman and sophmores that are playing are very very good and there are quite a few playing key roles. WEBB rolls in this one by 3 tds. Wheres them purple Dawgs..............
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Them purple Dawgs are very busy prepping I guarantee you for a rematch with Platte County and not looking one inch past them. The #1 thing I am watching vis-a-vis the game that essentially will tell who is Springfield bound is the weather forecast.
If we can keep refs from throwing bad flags, blowing inadvertent whistles and calling back Webb TD's I see Webb 28-14
CJ only scored 13 points on 8 turnovers. Take away those, a blown coverage on the first play, and a field goal that would not have happened without an early whistle on a pick and what did the offense have left. West Plains RB has over 2100 yards coming into the game, finished with a nightmare. WC coaches did an amazing job moving players around. Only three starters play the position (defense) they were in during the CJ game and at one point last week was 9 juniors, 1 senior, and a soph. Definitely found talent in the underclassmen.
Don't forget that CJ turned the ball over quite a bit as well, not as many as Webb, but eliminating those turnovers will not be an automatic Cardinal win.
A game from 11 weeks ago? Pretty much meaningless as far as helping to try to predict next Friday except for one thing: CJ has confidence that they probably have never had heading into week 12 in any previous season.
Confidence doesn't win games, but a lack of it can be quite a hindrance.
Confidence doesn't win games, but a lack of it can be quite a hindrance.
Webb could easily win the game but Weston is a much better running back than the kid from West Plains.
Hmmmmmm. I'd say that's a bit of a stretch. By the time Weston is a senior, he'll most certainly be better. But last night was the worst game hoopes had all year. Even last week against camdenton was an off game for him. He only had 22 carries for 115 yds and 2 TDs.
I would definitely say that Weston is a better athlete and more agile.
Heading into last nights game hoopes was #3 in the state in rushing yards regardless of classification.
He had 800+ more rushing yards than Weston on only 41 more attempts.
He averaged 2.2 yds a carry more than Weston on 41 more attempts.
Weston will probably accomplish way more at the next level than hoopes does if Weston continues on the path he is on. But as far as high school running backs this season, hoopes has accomplished so much more than Weston.
It does help that hoopes was WPs weapon 85% of the time this season, but it is what it is.
Weston has a much better offensive line blocking for him. That's the difference.
It's crazy to think that even with the superior offensive line at CARL Junction he still averages less yards per carry on less carries.
30% of hoopes yds this season have came after first contact.
Just my opinion of course. I know everyone else will argue with the numbers and say that I'm wrong and I can accept your opinions.
But anyone who's seen film on hoopes knows what I'm talking about.
Hats off to Webb City for being the only team to hold the #1 rusher in class 4 by a mile, to under 100 yds this season. And the only team to keep him out of the endzone.
I don't know much about West Plain's offensive line but it has only been in the last month that CJ figured out their offensive line. It was pretty bad the first half of the season.
I saw hopes dad I assume last night ....big ol man...don't think id wanna tustle with him for sure lol !
I'm on not going to pretend to be an expert on CJ. I've seen them only a few times this year. But I do know that you don't go 9-2 through 11 game with a bad offensive line. I could be wrong though.
Sounds like you're definitely talking about his dad then. Was a good runningback for the Zizzers in his day.
Webb has 3-4 kids that could have had 2000 yards if they carried the ball 30 times a game
That's probably true. But they didn't. Nor did they have to. They had the luxury of being able to spread it around. I'm not knocking on anyone else's numbers. Just simply speaking from a statistical standpoint. Last year for instance, West Plains had 4-5 offensive weapons. Hoopes ran for 1,400+, Martin ran for 1,000+, Hall ran for almost 500 and threw for 1,500+ as well as the two big TEs that both had about 400 yds receiving.
This year he didn't have as much of a supporting cast so he had a much heavier workload.
And with the graduation of last years talented senior class it was harder for west Plains to compete so half the time he was playing all game as opposed to Webbs multitude of skills players playing 2-3 quarters a night.
There's not a doubt in my mind that some of Webbs players could do that as well. I remember Phoenix Johnson and Mack Kyle. Webb just doesn't have to play their best all 4 quarters the majority of the time.
Webb City has definitely come a long ways since the first couple weeks of the season. Several younger players that played very limited or no role at all early in the season are playing very big roles. The defense has been very solid all year. The one cautionary reminder is the Ozark game. Ozark is a very solid team and managed to beat CJ and Carthage as well as WC but if WC hit had been hitting on all cylinders then they would have handled Ozark as well. CJ was IMO the best defense WC faced this year so it will be interesting to see how much WC has improved. WC is probably as healthy as they have been all year as well.
I don't think CJ played their best game in week 1 as well so I'm not thinking WC week 12 is playing CJ week 1. If WC plays like they did last Friday against West Plains then I like their chances a lot but CJ didn't get to 9-2 by accident this year. When was the last time that WC played a district game that they weren't at least pretty clearly the slight favorite. Probable in the 90's.
I try not to look too far ahead but I think the winner of this game is probably favored to wind up in Springfield in a few weeks just as it will be for the Kearney-Platte County winner. Most anticipated Friday night in Class 4 in quite some time.
I don't think CJ played their best game in week 1 as well so I'm not thinking WC week 12 is playing CJ week 1. If WC plays like they did last Friday against West Plains then I like their chances a lot but CJ didn't get to 9-2 by accident this year. When was the last time that WC played a district game that they weren't at least pretty clearly the slight favorite. Probable in the 90's.
I try not to look too far ahead but I think the winner of this game is probably favored to wind up in Springfield in a few weeks just as it will be for the Kearney-Platte County winner. Most anticipated Friday night in Class 4 in quite some time.
I would agree that it will be very interesting to see if WC offense can move it against the fastest defense in the conference. We might be surprised to see WC spread the field with 2 receivers and throw the ball more to loosen the defense up some. CJ will not be able to run the ball effectively against our defense. Will we be able to contain the pass? We have not played a passing team since them and maybe Carthage. It will probably come down to who can limit mistakes and control the line of scrimmage. CJ's points per game are greatly impacted by their defense. Their defense has scored a lot of defensive tds. Also their special teams have scored some tds. I am not sure if the WC defense has scored a td all year. One thing for sure is that WC defense knows how to overcome bad field position.
Not sure the Purple dogs are going to make it. Their fourth best team, the past four years. I have them penciled in against Webb, and have since about week 5 though. A team can't fumble THAT much forever.
Why? Kearney averages almost 170 yards per game passing... PC 190. They are both passing teams. Granted, Kearney has a much better running game. Are you thinking the weather will impact PC's passing game more than Kearney's?
This will be a great game. Both CJ and Webb City have gotten a lot better since week 1. CJ has allowed more points, defensively, than WC, but they scored more points. On the other hand, half of WC's offense are no longer starters that played CJ in week 1.
30-27 CJ
30-27 CJ
This is CJ's year. Sorry, guys.
No disrespect to Class 4A, but CJ will overcome Webb on Friday at home. They will go on to take out Harrisonville, Parkway North/Rolla and will meet the purpleheads in Springfield. Kearney will fall.
2016 will be Cj's first ever state championship.
Stamp it.
No disrespect to Class 4A, but CJ will overcome Webb on Friday at home. They will go on to take out Harrisonville, Parkway North/Rolla and will meet the purpleheads in Springfield. Kearney will fall.
2016 will be Cj's first ever state championship.
Stamp it.
I know several of the TDs allowed by CJ were against their JV defense or at a point when the regular offense was no longer in the game and moving the ball, such as the last two TDs by Bolivar. I'm sure the same can be said for Webb. So I wouldn't put too much stock in comparing "points allowed".
Bottom line is, both of these defenses are really good now and have been playing class 5 teams all year. In fact, 3 of those class 5 opponents are playing this Friday in disctrict championship games elsewhere.
Sustained drives may be held to a minimum. Big plays and turnovers should be the difference. Just not sure who will make more of either of those. Both teams have been taking good care of the football as of late.
Bottom line is, both of these defenses are really good now and have been playing class 5 teams all year. In fact, 3 of those class 5 opponents are playing this Friday in disctrict championship games elsewhere.
Sustained drives may be held to a minimum. Big plays and turnovers should be the difference. Just not sure who will make more of either of those. Both teams have been taking good care of the football as of late.
From the MSHSAA website, notice there is no "A" in the classification.... Come on, people, let's get it.
Class No. of Schools Enrollments
8-man 21 schools 44-165
Class 1 64 schools 80-241
Class 2 64 schools 241-423
Class 3 64 schools 426-701
Class 4 64 schools 719-1220
Class 5 51 schools 1233-1783
Class 6 32 schools 1792-2954
Class No. of Schools Enrollments
8-man 21 schools 44-165
Class 1 64 schools 80-241
Class 2 64 schools 241-423
Class 3 64 schools 426-701
Class 4 64 schools 719-1220
Class 5 51 schools 1233-1783
Class 6 32 schools 1792-2954
And CJ is poysed to begin a dynasty with all of there young players: Weston, Kennedy, Ludders, Berliew, Duley, Wall... they could make a championship run. 2016. 17. Maybe 18. Definitely 19, based on what the young kids are doing in 7th grade.
Stamp it.
Stamp it.
Funny how occasionally a "new member" signs up to begin bragging on a certain team. Could this guy (or gal) really be on CJ's bandwagon?
Doubtful.
Gotta love the signature line though - stamp it!
Doubtful.
Gotta love the signature line though - stamp it!
When you compare WC & CJ statically - WC: 4,130 tot. offense - CJ: 3,294. TD's - WC: 53, CJ: 36 (18 of those by Weston, much like WP with Hoopes - of course no one has stopped him yet, so if WC stops him, that puts some real pressure on the rest of the team to score or move the ball). Interception - CJ holds the edge 16 to 9. Will that make a difference Friday night - possibly, especially if WC decides to become a passing team all of a sudden. Speaking of passing: WC: 1,151, CJ: 1,619, per game it's - WC: 104.6, CJ: 179.9. Of course Webb has all those fumbles, but over the last 4 games they have virtually cut them out. So, who's going to win - Webb has the grudge and now has the confidence. I agree, with what was posted early - Refs and inadvertent whistles and calling back a touchdown for WC the whole night might have been totally different. Webb by 14!
Didn't Webb beat CJ in 7th grade this year? You're staring at possibly your first district title Friday and now building a dynasty.....baby steps grasshopper.
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