Completely agree. Since we have an adoption issue, we need to exterminate more kids to lessen the burden on us.
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Completely agree. Since we have an adoption issue, we need to exterminate more kids to lessen the burden on us.
The true issue is with our political system. The money involved makes us the most corrupt government in the world. The great thing is the people that are the most 'anti-government' support the party that buys the most governance. Perhaps an IQ test for voting should be mandated after all.
Psych meds are behind most if not all the mass shootings. Guess which industry bankrolls congress? Yep..big pharma.
With all the money gun and pharm industry bribes congress with we'll never fix this. It's all a big joke on a message board until one of yours gets gunned down.
exterminate...See what I said went completely over your head. As a society we cannot take care of all the children being born right now that nobody wants. But many like you complain about the abortions yet do nothing but lip service on the issue. How much have you truly done for unwanted kids? how many foster kids do you currently help how many unwanted kids are you planning on adopting?
LOL buddy I already have what have you done besides lip service and complain about abortions.
It's impossible have a serious discussion.
No one was killed with a groin or neck protector, tear gas canister, helmet, or leggings. They were killed with guns.
Guns guns guns. Big magazines and guns.
Black teenagers in Chicago kill each other with guns.
Racist killed black innocent Bible studies participants with a gun.
The movie theatre idiots choose......Guns.
Arizona rep shot with leggings? No a gun.
First graders slaughtered by a helmet?
We have a culture that believes conflict is handled with guns. People were slaughtered with a gun, let's sell more guns. Let's not change anyone's mind set.
No one was killed with a groin or neck protector, tear gas canister, helmet, or leggings. They were killed with guns.
Guns guns guns. Big magazines and guns.
Black teenagers in Chicago kill each other with guns.
Racist killed black innocent Bible studies participants with a gun.
The movie theatre idiots choose......Guns.
Arizona rep shot with leggings? No a gun.
First graders slaughtered by a helmet?
We have a culture that believes conflict is handled with guns. People were slaughtered with a gun, let's sell more guns. Let's not change anyone's mind set.
Sooooo adopting kids right now will do what about abortion?
I wonder if the unwanted kids will someday be thankful they didn't get their neck snapped?
You're arguing a result of abortion. Not abortion.
Not sure it would do anything really. I am not a math major by any means. But right now we have almost 400,000 kids living in the foster system most want to find that forever home but never do. Currently takes on average 3 years to find most a home that is just 400,000 now you want to add to that number.
Now we add another 1,000,000 kids which don't get me wrong I applaud the effort but what is you plan? Do you have a plan? I mean all you pro life people who worry so much about these unborn children what is the plan how will you pay for another 1 million unwanted kids in this world. Explain to me how you are going to find more homes for those children who I am sure a certain percentage are going to be special needs some might be highly special needs that will need special and expensive care most of their lives. Who is willing to fund that are you willing to write you congressman to increase funding for that when they are currently cutting funds now? So are you willing to find the funding which means extra taxes for you who I know is very strong against increasing taxes. It is easy to say I am pro life hard to actually live the life you preach. Kenny what are you willing to do to stop just one abortion? are you willing to pay for that child's needs from birth till its death? Are you willing to write to your congress and say I am will to pay more in taxes if it means no more abortions and that all those children's needs will be taken care of.... are you willing to do what it takes?
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I have told you before, and will tell you again, I respect what you do. It takes a special person to do what you do. You are 100% correct on this issue.
You said so yourself, "people" kill "people" (with) guns.
Yes, in a perfect world we would simply make guns harder to get for law abiding citizens and then all of our problems would go away ....
but this is not a perfect world...
Would the nut case in Colorado stop his obsession with killing if we'd only had "better" gun laws?
Will the lawless gang members stop obtaining guns through underground drug sales due to new restrictions on them?
Will the home grown terrorist stop and think before he acquires a gun or arsenal illegally?
Will the home invader now only use knifes in his predator attacks?
Would any of the above once new gun laws go in place not simply find an equally deadly method to kill ?
Fire perhaps ???
I'm a firm believer that a nun with an AR15 is far safer to be with than a killer with a toothpick ...
Appreciate your concern, just can't see it making a difference in a world where there are as many guns as people and the ones doing the killing are not you or me...
No, no one except the Left's media is saying that...CNN,MSNBC, CBS...etc.
Try watching FOX NEWs if you want real journalism....
Watch how your Left counter parts are supporting Plan Parenthood Leadership even though they've been caught red handed trafficking illegal activity to grotesque to mention.
You know as well as I that the Right is not proposing banning abortions in all cases.
The sickening support of the Left on the above however is an all new low even for you.
Meanwhile back to the topic....
It is impossible to have a serious discussion about guns. But I will try...
I don't think anyone with an ounce of common sense believes that the government is ever going to take your guns away. The "slippery slope" argument for meaningful legislation is a NRA and gun fanatic scare tactic. I don't own a gun but I am not against gun ownership. I understand Americans like to hunt. All for it! I understand some people wanting a pistol at home for some personal protection. All for that, too! I even get recreational target shooting. Heck, rifle shooting is an Olympic sport!
We already have laws in place for gun ownership - you must register your guns, have a license for concealed carr, you must be a certain age, convicted felons are prohibited from posessing or owning.
So what does "gun control" actually mean? To me, it means further laws to try to control the access of guns by criminals or for criminal activity. No one will ever convince me of the need for military type guns by the general public. No one will ever convince me of the need for semi automatic guns that allow someone to fire countless bullets in a matter of a minute. Or clips that hold 15 rounds and to reload another 15 rounds in a clip in seconds. None of these examples are needed for hunting, self protection, or target practice. There is no reason for any person to be able to get their hands on any gun that can get off a hundred rounds in a minute. Personally, I see no reason for a person to be able to get off more than 4-6 shots under any given circumstances.
Our judicial system should hand down lengthy sentences for violent offenses. If you commit a crime with a gun, starting with a minimum 25 year sentence and up depending on severity of the crime - no plea bargains to lesser offenses, no early parole. More enforcement and rigid sentences for gun possession by minors and convicted criminals. Make these young thugs think twice about even carrying a weapon on the streets by following thru with incarceration. If we need more prisons, so be it. Criminals today are not scared to get caught. They know that even if sentenced to prison, they will be out in no time for the first or second conviction, and if they are a minor, they may not do any time behind bars.
No person under mental health treatment should be allowed to possess a gun - period.
Still, I honestly believe that the percent of the population that wants to take away your deer rifle or pistol locked up in your bed stand is so small to be insignificant, and all the "infringing on our 2nd Amendment rights", "slippery slope", and "the government wants to take my gun away" talk is all nonsense and never going to happen. I can't believe people with common sense actually fall for it. Outlawing private ownership of guns will never happen in America and I know of no one in favor of it. But we do need some common sense laws and regulations regarding who should be allowed to own a gun.
It is impossible to have a serious discussion about guns. But I will try...
I don't think anyone with an ounce of common sense believes that the government is ever going to take your guns away. The "slippery slope" argument for meaningful legislation is a NRA and gun fanatic scare tactic. I don't own a gun but I am not against gun ownership. I understand Americans like to hunt. All for it! I understand some people wanting a pistol at home for some personal protection. All for that, too! I even get recreational target shooting. Heck, rifle shooting is an Olympic sport!
We already have laws in place for gun ownership - you must register your guns, have a license for concealed carr, you must be a certain age, convicted felons are prohibited from posessing or owning.
So what does "gun control" actually mean? To me, it means further laws to try to control the access of guns by criminals or for criminal activity. No one will ever convince me of the need for military type guns by the general public. No one will ever convince me of the need for semi automatic guns that allow someone to fire countless bullets in a matter of a minute. Or clips that hold 15 rounds and to reload another 15 rounds in a clip in seconds. None of these examples are needed for hunting, self protection, or target practice. There is no reason for any person to be able to get their hands on any gun that can get off a hundred rounds in a minute. Personally, I see no reason for a person to be able to get off more than 4-6 shots under any given circumstances.
Our judicial system should hand down lengthy sentences for violent offenses. If you commit a crime with a gun, starting with a minimum 25 year sentence and up depending on severity of the crime - no plea bargains to lesser offenses, no early parole. More enforcement and rigid sentences for gun possession by minors and convicted criminals. Make these young thugs think twice about even carrying a weapon on the streets by following thru with incarceration. If we need more prisons, so be it. Criminals today are not scared to get caught. They know that even if sentenced to prison, they will be out in no time for the first or second conviction, and if they are a minor, they may not do any time behind bars.
No person under mental health treatment should be allowed to possess a gun - period.
Still, I honestly believe that the percent of the population that wants to take away your deer rifle or pistol locked up in your bed stand is so small to be insignificant, and all the "infringing on our 2nd Amendment rights", "slippery slope", and "the government wants to take my gun away" talk is all nonsense and never going to happen. I can't believe people with common sense actually fall for it. Outlawing private ownership of guns will never happen in America and I know of no one in favor of it. But we do need some common sense laws and regulations regarding who should be allowed to own a gun.
And as I typed, another theater attack in Tennessee. For christsakes, quit publicizing these attacks. Can't we see that it is putting ideas in sick peoples' heads to go out in a flame of glory. The media shares the blame in all of these senseless killings. Don't give them any publicity. Report it once if they must, but let it go then. The media sensationalization is resulting in copycat attacks. HOW CLEAR CAN IT BE?
I'm assuming you read my post earlier so no need to kill a dead horse.
Why then do you still believe that the gang member who gets his weapons from underground drug sales, the home invader who stole his guns to sale to gangs for drugs, the known killer let out on a technicality, and the intelligent career criminal who will simply have his weapon sent directly to his home off the internet will be deterred by any gun law?
Just asking?
I have no problem with trying to make it a safer World. I personally do not have all the answers..
Please do not agree with me anymore, people will talk...
I agree, although I do believe it is now illegal to buy a gun and ship it in the mail. Not sure on that point. And I have said before, there are so many millions of guns out there now that it will take decades for any kind of law meant to limit the accessability of guns to make any difference. Do we just throw our hands up and say we can't do anything about it? Yes, criminals and lunatics will always find a way to get a gun. But can't we try to make it harder without having to fight the battle with the NRA types and their rhetoric about "the government taking our guns away". We all know that is nonsense and not going to happen, and only meant to inflame public opinion.
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I agree 100% Duck,
The only problem is, there is no way I know of to make it difficult to obtain a gun. The cat is out of the bag, long before we were born. I could buy 10 guns before tomorrow night and no one would be the wiser.
Really can't blame that on gun manufactures. They are selling a legal product, kinda like PP.
So make the big clips illegal. At least that could save some lives/injuries when the bad guy/crazy guy walks into a crowed area and starts shooting.
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Make the big clips illegal?????
And this would stop the criminal....... How ????
They are criminals 3R, legal or illegal has no baring to them.
And this would stop the criminal....... How ????
They are criminals 3R, legal or illegal has no baring to them.
Sure you can when they actively influence the political debate to create a less safe world.
Its an inherent conflict of interest. They aren't advocating on behalf of the American people; they advocate on behalf of their shareholders.
I don't know, because maybe not all Republicans are against abortion. Just like not every Democrat is for it.
#thinkaboutit.
So a family that cannot afford adopting a child(or fostering) should have no opinion on abortion? I get what you're saying. But its not realistic for every family to adopt. I have known the Gegg family here in Sainte Genevieve for about 28 years. They have had 100+(easily) kids go through their home. What they do is a great thing. That is not for everybody. Nor is every situation the same. Some people have their own kids they're trying to raise. To say they shouldn't have an opinion is ludicrous.
I applaud your efforts though. Being an adoptive parent is a hard thing.
As for funding, that is a drop in the bucket compared to what we spend now on funding planned parenthood and other wasteful programs. I would rather have the problem of kids needing to be adopted or funding large foster homes than neglect these kids a chance at life.
Until you take a CCW class taught by a professional, I would reconsider some of your stances in that paragraph. Other than that can't say I disagree with a lot of what you say.
The real issue is folks need to stop creating so many babies. How about a campaign pushing that thought. Way too many folks create babies who aren't prepared to take care of them. It adds to the problem bullit speaks of. It adds to the problems in the poor neighborhoods like north St. Louis where kids run unsupervised in the streets and wind up killing each other. It adds to the amount of assistance needed when parents can't make enough money to support them. All these things affect all of us in a negative way. It all comes back to there being too many kids. Instead of aborting the unwanted or letting them run wild or turning them over to be someone else's problem, how about not creating them at all? It's not like we don't know what causes it. I think we need a big push in our schools to not get pregnant. It's a subject that no one wants to talk much about but it's a big big problem. While many would vehemently oppose it free condoms at school might be one of the best investment we could make.
Go look up the Colorado free IUD program and its impact on unintended pregnancies.
Most health classes cover contraception. Just what we need...more government .
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Just exactly why should any company be obligated to pay for an employees birth control???
I am still trying to figure out why we as a company have some obligation to pay for an employees doctors bills.
How is it fair that I have been healthy all of my life and paid all of my doctors bills recieving $0 from the company. But a coworker smokes, drinks runs up medical bills of $1,000,000 that the company must pay for him. So his lifetime compensation is actually $1,000,000 more than mine because he is rewarded for being an idiot.
seems to me companies should pay people for being healthy and not going to doctor
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Where in the Constitution does it say that guns are only to be used for hunting?? I would agree a thirty round magazine (not clip that would be impossible to load) is not needed for hunting.
But it can be lifesaving in a self defense situation.
Sorry to get off topic but Roundballer you have a point. But not only being unwanted but what they see on TV and hear on the news to become the next 10 minutes of fame. Today's youth see what is supposed to be real life on TV with pregnant mothers, what does MTV call that 16 and pregnant or something. Then those redneck shows the Kardashions That is not even close to real life and what teens see it as a way to stardom and fairyland. Shoot it was just a few short years that we had a vice presidential candidate with a pregnant unwed teen who now has gone on to fame and still unmarried. You don't think kids see that and think shoot she can do it I can. It starts in the home with strong parents and roll models end of story society just seems to only encourage it. Maybe it was better back in the day when the news did not cover politician or celebrities personal lives and splash it across the news like they do now making kids think hey they do it why can't I?
You might want to look up the teen pregnancy rate before making comments like that, "todays youth" have a much lower pregnancy rate than the prior generation.
In fact, the rate of birth among 15-19 year olds is the lowest it has ever been in recorded US history.
The real difference is that Americans who don't go to college and who make a below median income don't get married the way they used to. That's not driven by TV; that's driven by the reality of where they live. Their role models (parents, aunts, uncles, cousins, etc.) are much less likely to be married or even in a committed relationship with the parent of their children.
In fact, the rate of birth among 15-19 year olds is the lowest it has ever been in recorded US history.
The real difference is that Americans who don't go to college and who make a below median income don't get married the way they used to. That's not driven by TV; that's driven by the reality of where they live. Their role models (parents, aunts, uncles, cousins, etc.) are much less likely to be married or even in a committed relationship with the parent of their children.
Kenny we are friends on facebook don't even go there and tell me you cannot afford this or that I see how you live.
You are totally right it is not realistic for every family to adopt and that is my point how are you going to come up with all the extra resources for these extra kids that are going to be dumped into an already broken system? It is okay to have an opinion but an opinion and offering an actual solution to your opinion is another. I don't post here very often because alot of these guys I feel are smarter and better informed than me on several subjects this is just close to my heart. Just like gun control opinions not only are they against it and have an opinion but they are trying to offer solutions not just yelling ban guns. Sure stopping abortions is a noble idea but what is the solution to all the unwanted children once you do it and all those unwanted children start flooding the foster system and those that will need care for life!! Who pays for those high risk pregnancy that can cost over $100,000 dollars?
I too had my own kids and when I was called upon I did it and never look backed again we are friends on facebook you can see my kids. I had an opinion and I am offering a small very very small drop in the bucket what I can do solution to what I see as a problem. You only live once so make your mark while you can on as many lives as possible.
You say that but you know the state of Missouri has several times tried to cut funding to the current foster system that is currently under funded now!! Write you congress man and ask them to please increase funding for all those children in the system now that is a start if you want to help!!
You are probable right Neutron, but I have kids today I hear what they talk about. I am plugged into youth support groups and hear what they talk about. Might not be totally right but you cannot tell me in some parts of the country TV is not a roll model for teens who have absent or disengaged parents? I could be wrong for sure.
Also, thanks for being a foster parent. I'm not sure I could ever do it, but I respect the hell out of people who do a good job at it.
