This Schools and their Employee's and Leaders are __________

[MGHS]

This has what the Leftwing policies in schools have wrought upon the system. A lot of written BS policies and talk of zero tolerance and such thing coupled with Reams of Red tape that can't be enforced because of the lack of Teeth or Fear of consequence from those who scoff at the lip service without the muscle or will to back it up.

It was a example of Pure human nature, everyone sat and watched because clearly the girl taking the beating was outside their circle of Friends and Family. The half hearted effort by the Teacher made me roll my eyes.

Back in the Day this would of at least taken place after school off school property. Now it's just part of the show in the land of public education.

 

[Expect2Win]

Thank you for your expertise in public education. I am not sure how educators have survived all of these years without you.

 

[Stryk3]

Thank you for your expertise in public education. I am not sure how educators have survived all of these years without you.

He isn't wrong in many cases. Please share your expertise?

 

[Veer2Eternity]

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This has what the Leftwing policies in schools have wrought upon the system. A lot of written BS policies and talk of zero tolerance and such thing coupled with Reams of Red tape that can't be enforced because of the lack of Teeth or Fear of consequence from those who scoff at the lip service without the muscle or will to back it up.

It was a example of Pure human nature, everyone sat and watched because clearly the girl taking the beating was outside their circle of Friends and Family. The half hearted effort by the Teacher made me roll my eyes.

Back in the Day this would of at least taken place after school off school property. Now it's just part of the show in the land of public education.

If you knew anything, you'd know why the teacher didn't do anything.
How many fights like this in MG?

 

[Stryk3]

If you knew anything, you'd know why the teacher didn't do anything.
How many fights like this in MG?

Yes, teachers are scared to do anything because they are in fear of being sued, publicly shamed, fired....end of the day still doing what is right should circumvent any potential outcome towards the teacher. Teachers/educators are there to educate and keep kids safe...period. Certainly a tough video to watch.

 

[Veer2Eternity]

Yes, teachers are scared to do anything because they are in fear of being sued, publicly shamed, fired....end of the day still doing what is right should circumvent any potential outcome towards the teacher. Teachers/educators are there to educate and keep kids safe...period. Certainly a tough video to watch.

Nothing to do with scared. If you work at a school where fights happen (which isn't a large number) you are instructed not to intervene and get properly trained people down there to stop it.

I broke up my share in the day but I was taking a risk when I did.

P.S. How many fights occur daily in your district?

 

[Stryk3]

Nothing to do with scared. If you work at a school where fights happen (which isn't a large number) you are instructed not to intervene and get properly trained people down there to stop it.

I broke up my share in the day but I was taking a risk when I did.

P.S. How many fights occur daily in your district?

Not many here....former school....plenty. You are correct there are teachers that go through training on how to handle these situations. But again, my point is how can a teacher sit by and watch a brutal fight and do nothing....there is right and there is wrong....standing by watching this is wrong!! Our sue and file grievance society towards people trying to do the right thing, trickles down to our youth. That video where students just sit and watch and video it....just sad.

 

[Veer2Eternity]

Not many here....former school....plenty. You are correct there are teachers that go through training on how to handle these situations. But again, my point is how can a teacher sit by and watch a brutal fight and do nothing....there is right and there is wrong....standing by watching this is wrong!! Our sue and file grievance society towards people trying to do the right thing, trickles down to our youth. That video where students just sit and watch and video it....just sad.

We both know that isn't the big picture of what is going on in schools.

We can complain about it sure. What can we do to fix it?

 

[MGHS]

If you knew anything, you'd know why the teacher didn't do anything.
How many fights like this in MG?

We use to be smart enough to go across the way and fight, cause it wouldn't be tolerated in school. I got called into the the office once or twice and got the paddle for fighting.

I get that teachers fear liability issues. That is a legit fear. Clearly breaking up a fight should be covered under the good samaritan law or something like that... Because at the end of the day repeated blows like that can lead to death and permanent damage. To watch one of your students inflict and another receive such brutality is bone chilling, and to decide to do nothing is border line disgusting, I wonder if that teacher would of put in such a half hearted effort if that was her kid, niece or a child of a friend?.

At this point if the adults can't protect their children from other children I'd say that Parents should be giving their children the means to protect themselves from such violent acts.

 

[MGHS]

We both know that isn't the big picture of what is going on in schools.

We can complain about it sure. What can we do to fix it?

Yes parents are a most of the problem, although a lot of school system have embraced hippie dippy idea's that Lollipops and rainbows work better than punishment in all cases....what can be done to fix this problem, is to have legit rules and regulations that are actually enforced with strict consequences. But we all know that will never happen because the system has been infected with socialist limp wristed idea's.

 

[Veer2Eternity]

Yes parents are a most of the problem, although a lot of school system have embraced hippie dippy idea's that Lollipops and rainbows work better than punishment in all cases....what can be done to fix this problem, is to have legit rules and regulations that are actually enforced with strict consequences. But we all know that will never happen because the system has been infected with socialist limp wristed idea's.

No it's because as soon as you do that a 'name' kid gets busted and mr or mrs. important raises caine and the policy changes.
Calm down kyle

 

[Expect2Win]

He isn't wrong in many cases. Please share your expertise?

27 years, thank you. And yes he is wrong in many cases, many many cases.

 

[Stryk3]

27 years thank you

great! congrats. That is a long career! Year 22 for me. I have been at one of the smallest most rural school district in the state, to the largest HS in the state and everywhere in between. Sounds like we both have the expertise, but maybe different views based on where we have been. And that is ok.

 

[Expect2Win]

great! congrats. That is a long career! Year 22 for me. I have been at one of the smallest most rural school district in the state, to the largest HS in the state and everywhere in between. Sounds like we both have the expertise, but maybe different views based on where we have been. And that is ok.

Probably not as many different views as you might think. I have done everything from PE to alt school. I have broken up a few and gotten between a few more to prevent it from starting. Even once in MG. I agree on most points everyone has posted beyond the OP. The insinuation that this was caused by leftist policy is wrong and what I take offense with.

 

[Stryk3]

Probably not as many different views as you might think. I have done everything from PE to alt school. I have broken up a few and gotten between a few more to prevent it from starting. Even once in MG. I agree on most points everyone has posted beyond the OP. The insinuation that this was caused by leftist policy is wrong and what I take offense with.

It is always the fault of whatever political party is in the white house....isn't that how we view things these days...?? (sarcasm)

 

[Expect2Win]

It is always the fault of whatever political party is in the white house....isn't that how we view things these days...?? (sarcasm)

lol Unfortunately, that is true.

 

[MGHS]

No it's because as soon as you do that a 'name' kid gets busted and mr or mrs. important raises caine and the policy changes.
Calm down kyle

Again that is part of the Hippie dippee issue....the Administration and those in charge should back the policy and stand firm. It's just easier to knuckle and give in...but once you start giving in then you end up with what we have now.

 

[Expect2Win]

Those darn leftist policies scaring teachers with threats of a lawsuit.

Oklahoma Proposed Bill Would Fine Teachers $10,000 For Contradicting A Student’s Religious Beliefs

A sign of just how far some legislators feel empowered to go in attempts to control what teachers may or may not say in a classroom.

www.forbes.com

 

[kaskaskiakid]

Looked to me like the attacker was a member of a right wing hate group.

We never see a picture of the teacher other than her arms making a couple attempts to grab her. Maybe she was a small. petite woman without the physical ability to restrain the attacker and feared of being assaulted herself.

Another lame, bias attempt to bash all our schools and all teachers from the poster working night shift at a meaningless job.

 

[bullitpdq68]

Looked to me like the attacker was a member of a right wing hate group.

We never see a picture of the teacher other than her arms making a couple attempts to grab her. Maybe she was a small. petite woman without the physical ability to restrain the attacker and feared of being assaulted herself.

Another lame, bias attempt to bash all our schools and all teachers from the poster working night shift at a meaningless job.

I was thinking the samething, and maybe only made so many graps because she decide hey this is going to get bad so she went for a phone to call help or maybe went for help. Maybe she was on the phone or maybe another child grabbed her, we cannot see her in the frame to know if somebody is holding her back helping the attacker?

So easy to clutch your pearls and go oh my...but so little of the classroom is shown hard to know what happened. But very easy to show the video the way you want it to fit your narrative.

 

[3Rfan]

Looked to me like the attacker was a member of a right wing hate group.

We never see a picture of the teacher other than her arms making a couple attempts to grab her. Maybe she was a small. petite woman without the physical ability to restrain the attacker and feared of being assaulted herself.

Another lame, bias attempt to bash all our schools and all teachers from the poster working night shift at a meaningless job.

Seems our resident genius has disappeared from the board. I haven't known of him to stop posting what someone else thinks for this long.

 

[MGHS]

Been on Vacation....sometimes the most obvious answer is the right answer.

 

[MGHS]

Looked to me like the attacker was a member of a right wing hate group.

We never see a picture of the teacher other than her arms making a couple attempts to grab her. Maybe she was a small. petite woman without the physical ability to restrain the attacker and feared of being assaulted herself.

Another lame, bias attempt to bash all our schools and all teachers from the poster working night shift at a meaningless job.

LOL how can you tell she was a member of right wing hate group? She looked like a Jack boot BLM member to me.

BLM mob beats white man unconscious after making him crash truck: video

A mob of Portland Black Lives Matter protesters forced a white man to crash his truck, then punched and kicked him unconscious, disturbing footage shows. A series of clips on social media shows the…

nypost.com

 

[MGHS]

Those darn leftist policies scaring teachers with threats of a lawsuit.

Oklahoma Proposed Bill Would Fine Teachers $10,000 For Contradicting A Student’s Religious Beliefs

A sign of just how far some legislators feel empowered to go in attempts to control what teachers may or may not say in a classroom.

www.forbes.com

Stupid bill but it is a response to the Woke policies that the Left has injected into everything. That is how things work the yin and yang of both sides.

Although I would be for Teachers wearing Body Cam's like Cops. That way Parents could review just what teachers are saying and doing in class....some of the video coming out of some class rooms is insane and disturbing. If cops have to wear Cam's I see no reason to object to teachers wearing them as they have constant contact with children.

 

[kaskaskiakid]

Although I would be for Teachers wearing Body Cam's like Cops. That way Parents could review just what teachers are saying and doing in class....some of the video coming out of some class rooms is insane and disturbing. If cops have to wear Cam's I see no reason to object to teachers wearing them as they have constant contact with children.

The biggest problem with teacher body cams is that a teacher is often a confidant for a student. I had many conversations with kids that we wouldn't have had if the kid knew it was being recorded. All kids need an adult they can talk to openly without fear, and developing those relationships is part of being a good teacher.

Although most teachers wouldn't care about body cams during class time only from bell to bell, and turn the off the rest of time. Still, being on camera in class would hinder students from being open and uninhibited if they know they are being recorded. Teenagers like to talk, and I would have missed out on all the gossip!

Some "insane and disturbing" class room videos?? I'm sure it happens, but rarely and those teachers don't last long at most schools. The constant accusations from the right that students are being indoctrinated by left wing public school teachers is such hogwash.

 

[r14veer]

The biggest problem with teacher body cams is that a teacher is often a confidant for a student. I had many conversations with kids that we wouldn't have had if the kid knew it was being recorded. All kids need an adult they can talk to openly without fear, and developing those relationships is part of being a good teacher.

Although most teachers wouldn't care about body cams during class time only from bell to bell, and turn the off the rest of time. Still, being on camera in class would hinder students from being open and uninhibited if they know they are being recorded. Teenagers like to talk, and I would have missed out on all the gossip!

Some "insane and disturbing" class room videos?? I'm sure it happens, but rarely and those teachers don't last long at most schools. The constant accusations from the right that students are being indoctrinated by left wing public school teachers is such hogwash.

Well, 10 instances of insane and disturbing videos or a teacher saying something political equals the whole system is corrupt. Never mind that there are 130,930 schools and 3.2 million teachers.

They truly have no idea on what consistency is with regard to a rhetorical position.

 

[Veer2Eternity]

Well, 10 instances of insane and disturbing videos or a teacher saying something political equals the whole system is corrupt. Never mind that there are 130,930 schools and 3.2 million teachers.

They truly have no idea on what consistency is with regard to a rhetorical position.

The parents of the 'neverdowrong' kids might be in for a shock if there were hidden cameras in classrooms.

Bet that'd get tossed out of most schools pronto!

 

[MGHS]

The parents of the 'neverdowrong' kids might be in for a shock if there were hidden cameras in classrooms.

Bet that'd get tossed out of most schools pronto!

Hidden camera's would be no go...but upfront recordings and protection for teachers with body cam's would be a good thing. Everything we do on this unit is under video Surveillance and it for the most part is a good thing all though angles can be a bit doggy in painting the whole picture.

 

[MGHS]

The biggest problem with teacher body cams is that a teacher is often a confidant for a student. I had many conversations with kids that we wouldn't have had if the kid knew it was being recorded. All kids need an adult they can talk to openly without fear, and developing those relationships is part of being a good teacher.

Although most teachers wouldn't care about body cams during class time only from bell to bell, and turn the off the rest of time. Still, being on camera in class would hinder students from being open and uninhibited if they know they are being recorded. Teenagers like to talk, and I would have missed out on all the gossip!

Some "insane and disturbing" class room videos?? I'm sure it happens, but rarely and those teachers don't last long at most schools. The constant accusations from the right that students are being indoctrinated by left wing public school teachers is such hogwash.

I get what your saying but really maybe teachers shouldn't be tasked with being surrogate parents or mentors to the degree they are now. It's a unfair responsibility and really outside the Job description of what a teacher is tasked to do which is educate.

 

[kaskaskiakid]

I get what your saying but really maybe teachers shouldn't be tasked with being surrogate parents or mentors to the degree they are now. It's a unfair responsibility and really outside the Job description of what a teacher is tasked to do which is educate.

But teachers still do it everyday. Even though it is outside of the job description, the reality is many kids have absentee parents and these kids need a mentor, and good teachers build relationships with these kids. That is perhaps the most important part of teaching, and that doesn't come out of a manual or textbook. Body cams would inhibit the personal interactions between teachers and students. I don't think it will ever come to body cams on teachers.

I take it that at your job you have video surveillance cameras on the walls and you do not wear a body cam?? There is a difference - surveillance cams are not likely going to pick up every word you say.For instance, you can probably have a quiet conversation with someone next to you without a camera on the wall picking it up, especially if you didn't want it heard. A body cam would record every word you say all day.

 

[thegoldenboy55]

In my experience, I don't think a body cam solves anything. Heck, we've had surveillance cameras catch kids in the act of doing something stupid, when we show Mommy and Daddy their response is "well why is that rule in place, I don't think there is anything wrong with that, etc etc etc."

The problem is parents refuse to believe that little Johnny is capable of making bad decisions, or the administrator doesn't give any support to the teacher to lay down the law. Everything is up for debate, which undermines the teacher. The body cam is telling teachers "we don't trust you" whether that is what you are trying to convey or not. There is already teacher shortage issues, I certainly don't think this helps.

 

[r14veer]

The parents of the 'neverdowrong' kids might be in for a shock if there were hidden cameras in classrooms.

Bet that'd get tossed out of most schools pronto!

Would it not also be a violation of FERPA? I feel like that would have to change to enable cameras in the educational environment (as opposed to the hallways, etc.).

 

[Veer2Eternity]

Would it not also be a violation of FERPA? I feel like that would have to change to enable cameras in the educational environment (as opposed to the hallways, etc.).

Yes. Any classroom that has students with accommodations would be unable to video.

That's basically every public school classroom.

 

[Expect2Win]

Yes. Any classroom that has students with accommodations would be unable to video.

That's basically every public school classroom.

What? That shoots my argument out of the water, so now I will post a 30 paragraph diatribe on how FERPA is wrong and should be thrown out as well as how teachers are constantly overstepping and should be fired immediately.

 

[Veer2Eternity]

What? That shoots my argument out of the water, so now I will post a 30 paragraph diatribe on how FERPA is wrong and should be thrown out as well as how teachers are constantly overstepping and should be fired immediately.

 

[MGHS]

But teachers still do it everyday. Even though it is outside of the job description, the reality is many kids have absentee parents and these kids need a mentor, and good teachers build relationships with these kids. That is perhaps the most important part of teaching, and that doesn't come out of a manual or textbook. Body cams would inhibit the personal interactions between teachers and students. I don't think it will ever come to body cams on teachers.

I take it that at your job you have video surveillance cameras on the walls and you do not wear a body cam?? There is a difference - surveillance cams are not likely going to pick up every word you say.For instance, you can probably have a quiet conversation with someone next to you without a camera on the wall picking it up, especially if you didn't want it heard. A body cam would record every word you say all day.

We have Camera's and Mic's everywhere, hidden Mics and Camera's as well that only a few staff and security know about. Working on a Psychiatric unit everything is recorded and heard. That way if it things get dicey then it's all on record. We are upfront with the kids about it....it never stops them from speaking their mind or talking. Sometimes we can't get them to be quiet when it would do them better.

 

[MGHS]

In my experience, I don't think a body cam solves anything. Heck, we've had surveillance cameras catch kids in the act of doing something stupid, when we show Mommy and Daddy their response is "well why is that rule in place, I don't think there is anything wrong with that, etc etc etc."

The problem is parents refuse to believe that little Johnny is capable of making bad decisions, or the administrator doesn't give any support to the teacher to lay down the law. Everything is up for debate, which undermines the teacher. The body cam is telling teachers "we don't trust you" whether that is what you are trying to convey or not. There is already teacher shortage issues, I certainly don't think this helps.

If the administration ignores actual video footage and doesn't back the truth and adult teachers then clearly all hope is lost. I don't doubt you are correct. If nobody will stand up to problem parents or their threats then the system is totally broken and appears to beyond repair.

 

[MGHS]

What? That shoots my argument out of the water, so now I will post a 30 paragraph diatribe on how FERPA is wrong and should be thrown out as well as how teachers are constantly overstepping and should be fired immediately.

It doesn't violate FERPA some states today are discussing installing them now Iowa, Texas,Florida etc and some states allow camera's in classrooms now for various reasons......do a bit of research on it. We have a accredited school on site we have to adhere to all state/fed. guidelines ...the classroom has Video and Audio at all times. Even The kids computers are 1984'd.

I'm not sure why the Teachers Union and Teachers are against it? It would make the lives of teachers easier and give them legal protection. Most places have Video and Audio now so why not schools, and the use of cell phones camera's is rampant everywhere that is how the video's from these schools surface. Having a system in place to protect teachers just makes sense. Not wanting them makes people suspicious to a degree. When everyone from the Wal-Mart greeter to the Local Cop, is under video and audio surveillance then why are teachers resisting?

 

[r14veer]

We have Camera's and Mic's everywhere, hidden Mics and Camera's as well that only a few staff and security know about. Working on a Psychiatric unit everything is recorded and heard. That way if it things get dicey then it's all on record. We are upfront with the kids about it....it never stops them from speaking their mind or talking. Sometimes we can't get them to be quiet when it would do them better.

Does Missouri not have doctor/patient confidentiality laws that would preclude having microphones and surveillance in a doctor/patient setting? I am coming from a position of some ignorance on this because I do not know.

 

[Veer2Eternity]

It doesn't violate FERPA some states today are discussing installing them now Iowa, Texas,Florida etc and some states allow camera's in classrooms now for various reasons......do a bit of research on it. We have a accredited school on site we have to adhere to all state/fed. guidelines ...the classroom has Video and Audio at all times. Even The kids computers are 1984'd.

I'm not sure why the Teachers Union and Teachers are against it? It would make the lives of teachers easier and give them legal protection. Most places have Video and Audio now so why not schools, and the use of cell phones camera's is rampant everywhere that is how the video's from these schools surface. Having a system in place to protect teachers just makes sense. Not wanting them makes people suspicious to a degree. When everyone from the Wal-Mart greeter to the Local Cop, is under video and audio surveillance then why are teachers resisting?

You can't show a kid come in with an aide. Then every person in the world knows they are getting accomodation and that's against the law.

I will say this though: it's interesting watching the folks scared of 'the deep state' that claim to be against government lining up to ....film their kids 24/7/365 in a school setting.

Odd. It's almost like they're being manipulated for political reasons .

keep kicking those footballs, charlie browns.