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Confirms my suspensions and lines up with the Data we have that women have a much higher rate of mental issues than Men and antidotally some of us have noticed they tend to skew to the radical side of things.....even many of my co-workers fit that mold..... interesting that research is bearing those figures out.
 
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Confirms my suspensions and lines up with the Data we have that women have a much higher rate of mental issues than Men and antidotally some of us have noticed they tend to skew to the radical side of things.....even many of my co-workers fit that mold..... interesting that research is bearing those figures out.
Interesting that every poli board I read had that same link from the usual suspects.

Must get the same hype emails.
 

Confirms my suspensions and lines up with the Data we have that women have a much higher rate of mental issues than Men and antidotally some of us have noticed they tend to skew to the radical side of things.....even many of my co-workers fit that mold..... interesting that research is bearing those figures out.
Ha! My Grandpa told me that 60 years ago. He always proclaimed that he had eight grades of formal education but a PhD in life. I believed him then and this merely confirms the extent of his knowledge and perception without benefit of further studies on the subject.
 
There is more to the so called "study" first I had to really dig to find the "study" and really it was not a "study" it was analyzing data from a pew research on a Covid - 19 survey....oh yeah that is a real good study...

So a person took that data and saw with in that survey that Liberals were far more likely to report within that survey being diagnosed with a mental condition and it was a very broad spectrum... to come to the conclusion that liberal women are more unstable....What the....

So basically you could say either the data points to yes Liberals are mentally ill or seek out help.....or the are just more honest when taking the survey.... ?and/or more willing to accept that they need some sort of mental help and seek it out?? I mean social science and mental health is not all bad....

But I mean you don't have to look any further than our past orange president to realize that there are so called Pubs/conservatives that really need to seek mental help who basically following what ever thier cult leader says....Just off the top of my head ...Let's be honest the man was thinking out loud about pumping the human body full of disinfectants...and he still thinks that the capital rioters were hugging and kissing the police. Then don't get me started on all the deranged conservatives who are still falling over each other to get his blessing....that is surely some signs of delusional behavior from the conservative side which they just as much as the liberal left need to seek mental help for.


 
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Oh and P.S. I guess what this also shows us..... Is that conservatives will take for face value anything that might support thier ideology without doing any in depth research of thier own, to figure out how anybody came to that conclusion and then run with that data....

Just throwing that out there....LOL
 
Interesting that every poli board I read had that same link from the usual suspects.

Must get the same hype emails.

I got it Emailed to me from RN that works with my GF. He's a hardcore conservative and Gay he has a interesting take on things to say the least. Great man.

But does that make it less valid or interesting to read.
 
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Oh and P.S. I guess what this also shows us..... Is that conservatives will take for face value anything that might support thier ideology without doing any in depth research of thier own, to figure out how anybody came to that conclusion and then run with that data....

Just throwing that out there....LOL

Funny how you take one word Study and then build a false narrative around it in that the Pew research of the data must be in error or not valid...it clearly was pointed out in the article that it was possible but not definitive that Liberals might self report more....although there is Zero evidence that is the case. Just pure guess work.

Also then to come forth with the Old Orange man Cult argument that is not supported by any research data or even self reported polls sort of reeks of a pure emotional response and 100% biased based..really just because people voted for Trump they are now mentally ill that is your non-fact related view point.

To address you opinion. A lot of Trump voters including myself thought Trump was a arrogant clown about 85% of the time but he was the best of the two candidates. And in truth the point you are making has Zero to do with the point that the Pew research was making.....

The research was pointing out that the liberal view point skews people to feel victimized and to see others as victimized as well ,this coupled with the Much higher rate of White Guilt and Savior complex leads to a higher rate of depression and other mental issues.....In other research from a Skeptic.com survey it was found that American's that identify as Liberal or very Liberal believed that 1,000 UNARMED black men where murdered by the Police in 2019 The reality only 12 unarmed black men where killed by the police.....

Clearly this and other research has nothing to do with Voting Trump or Biden. But nice bait and Switch of the OP. It's about why those who identify as liberal's have higher rates of anxiety, depression, self doubt, and other negative feelings.

Also as I stated before I work in the Mental Health field, on a Psychiatric Unit. So I know full well the in's and outs of Mental health care the demographic that we treat it's benefits and it's shortcomings .

I can also tell you this that 7 out of 10 mental health care workers skew Left. But even they will freely admit that it was crazy how many Adult patients came in depressed and suicidal over 4 more years of Trump this past NOV. the PIT team was drove crazy with admissions that week .....not one patient was admitted for the fear of Bidens possible Elections.

The research/study of the survey data said Liberals have a higher rate of Neuroticism than conservatives. And they self report less happiness and life satisfaction. And that is was very possible that the Liberal/Leftist view point might very well appeal to those who are emotionally fragile. This is all interesting and worthy of diving into IMO. Maybe it isn't to you.

Not sure why you seemed a bit upset over the research or study of the data and the posting of it....I always deemed you a moderate so clearly this research doesn't apply. So the whole smear on all Trump supporters being a Cult and Mentally ill to diminish and gloss over the real world data of mental illness of a lot of White Liberals is strange to say the least.
 
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Funny how you take one word Study and then build a false narrative around it in that the Pew research of the data must be in error or not valid...it clearly was pointed out in the article that it was possible but not definitive that Liberals might self report more....although there is Zero evidence that is the case. Just pure guess work.

Also then to come forth with the Old Orange man Cult argument that is not supported by any research data or even self reported polls sort of reeks of a pure emotional response and 100% biased based..really just because people voted for Trump they are now mentally ill that is your non-fact related view point.

To address you opinion. A lot of Trump voters including myself thought Trump was a arrogant clown about 85% of the time but he was the best of the two candidates. And in truth the point you are making has Zero to do with the point that the Pew research was making.....

The research was pointing out that the liberal view point skews people to feel victimized and to see others as victimized as well ,this coupled with the Much higher rate of White Guilt and Savior complex leads to a higher rate of depression and other mental issues.....In other research from a Skeptic.com survey it was found that American's that identify as Liberal or very Liberal believed that 1,000 UNARMED black men where murdered by the Police in 2019 The reality only 12 unarmed black men where killed by the police.....

Clearly this and other research has nothing to do with Voting Trump or Biden. But nice bait and Switch of the OP. It's about why those who identify as liberal's have higher rates of anxiety, depression, self doubt, and other negative feelings.

Also as I stated before I work in the Mental Health field, on a Psychiatric Unit. So I know full well the in's and outs of Mental health care the demographic that we treat it's benefits and it's shortcomings .

I can also tell you this that 7 out of 10 mental health care workers skew Left. But even they will freely admit that it was crazy how many Adult patients came in depressed and suicidal over 4 more years of Trump this past NOV. the PIT team was drove crazy with admissions that week .....not one patient was admitted for the fear of Bidens possible Elections.

The research/study of the survey data said Liberals have a higher rate of Neuroticism than conservatives. And they self report less happiness and life satisfaction. And that is was very possible that the Liberal/Leftist view point might very well appeal to those who are emotionally fragile. This is all interesting and worthy of diving into IMO. Maybe it isn't to you.

Not sure why you seemed a bit upset over the research or study of the data and the posting of it....I always deemed you a moderate so clearly this research doesn't apply. So the whole smear on all Trump supporters being a Cult and Mentally ill to diminish and gloss over the real world data of mental illness of a lot of White Liberals is strange to say the least.

Are we now playing this game? Ok: This data is a surprise to no one.
 
No game but clearly Study and Research can in colloquial way be used in a interchangeable manner. Yes I agree Pew just compiled survey data and it has been presented as a study, I framed it that way as have many others. And while this was not a Double Blind hard core driven Research model the data appears to be valid. Maybe I mistook your post but it seemed you was trying to invalidate the Pew information because I used the term study.

Also Yes I am well aware of that data....but when you look deeply into the numbers it actually fits in with the other Pew research I denoted....Getting Junk degree's/MS/PHD and compiling massive student debt in fields that are over saturated with potential employee's.... which depresses wages......leads to anger and frustration because the prospect that the College Dream is bogus and doesn't lead to wealth and riches. Then add in that Most colleges preach a liberal dogma is it any surprise that a lot of those who graduate are disenfranchised, angry and want the Gov. to dictate over reaching policies to mitigate out bad choices and decisions relieving many of their responsibilities for said choices.

Is it also any surprise that those who enter the trade professions and blue collar work force ie ...people who tend to value a strong work ethic and exhibit the traits of self reliance, self responsibility and self determination as opposed to Gov. Safety nets and Give away programs.. well they would naturally lean to the right.
 
No game but clearly Study and Research can in colloquial way be used in a interchangeable manner. Yes I agree Pew just compiled survey data and it has been presented as a study, I framed it that way as have many others. And while this was not a Double Blind hard core driven Research model the data appears to be valid. Maybe I mistook your post but it seemed you was trying to invalidate the Pew information because I used the term study.

Also Yes I am well aware of that data....but when you look deeply into the numbers it actually fits in with the other Pew research I denoted....Getting Junk degree's/MS/PHD and compiling massive student debt in fields that are over saturated with potential employee's.... which depresses wages......leads to anger and frustration because the prospect that the College Dream is bogus and doesn't lead to wealth and riches. Then add in that Most colleges preach a liberal dogma is it any surprise that a lot of those who graduate are disenfranchised, angry and want the Gov. to dictate over reaching policies to mitigate out bad choices and decisions relieving many of their responsibilities for said choices.

Is it also any surprise that those who enter the trade professions and blue collar work force ie ...people who tend to value a strong work ethic and exhibit the traits of self reliance, self responsibility and self determination as opposed to Gov. Safety nets and Give away programs.. well they would naturally lean to the right.

It's not really disputable that colleges are staffed with far more liberals than conservatives, for sure. However, some conservatives act as though the Marx-loving literature professors (isn't it always the literature professor?) down the hall have a lot more influence on their children in 4-ish years than the parents did in the 18 years they had them. Think about it this way: if it's that easy to reverse 18 years of raising in just 4 (give or take a couple) years of college, maybe the politics of the professor isn't the issue.

It's also not disputable that earning a college degree is pretty highly correlated to getting paid more than your typical blue-collar job. In that way, the College Dream isn't bogus. You may not get rich, but you'll earn significantly more over your lifetime (and yearly) than those without a college degree, on average, not to mention increased marketability and job satisfaction, according to nearly any study or survey you can find from any time period.

With regard to your last section, I think you're romanticizing the reasons most people go into blue collar jobs: thus the reason that job satisfaction is significantly lower among blue collar workers. If I hadn't been able to go to college, I would definitely gone into factory work and not because I value hard work, though I do. At least one in three workers in manufacturing jobs depend on government aid, on average, with 8 out of the top 10 states being red states. They, like most, do not want to be on welfare. They know they are being judged, mostly by people who have never had to rely on government aid. But the reality is that wages have not kept up with inflation for 40+ years. CEO salaries have skyrocketed in that same time period, though.
 
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Yes on average college graduates do earn more but when you Sift out the Medical/Law/STEM and High Level CEO/VP's and such which make up a small percentage of college grad from the equation then you will find a different picture. Most of the studies as stated are based on averages and some don't even factor out that some College Grads end up in Blue Collar jobs but with the degree their income ends up on the college graduate side. It's a complex issue.

Take My GF she got a Cellular Microbiology degree and Graduated with Honors but with that said find a job in lab is Highly competitive and tough to do. So she went and got a RN degree to earn some good money. A lot of Degree's at all levels are not the end all to be all.

So yes I'm for Higher education......well except for Art/ All Social Science/Liberal Arts/Humanities/Political Science/Fine Arts and I'd even Lump in Education with that based on pay. But dang we need teachers....

But back to your original point and my disagreement....you clearly feel that those with higher education, which I have a crap ton of, in some ways are intellectually superior and more qualified in their voting preference. I 100% disagree with that, it's been my experience that the working class and self made business people seem to have a better grasp on how the economy works and the problems the gov. Causes. And how to fix it. As I stated on here before I'm a huge Thomas Sowell follower. He has it figured out and he walked in the Shoes of the Socialist before the data and science lead him down a different path.

I'm always appalled at how many well papered friends, co-workers and relatives of mine think that all the issues of poverty and such can be solved with more social programs, taxes, more gov. hand outs and that higher education will lead to a utopia.

All the while having teachers salary's, Social Workers Salary's and other Social Science fields employment.....and then begrudging that Truckers, Oil field worker, Structural Iron/Steel Workers ,Power line workers the Small and Big business owners who earn a lot more than they do. Then they tend to Look down on the Working Class poor, Wal-Mart workers, Waitress, etc. who are actually as you stated willing to work and sometimes getting by with a helping had....which I fully support that... But feeling sorry for and having loads of sympathy for the Homeless and non-working welfare takers and blaming those Who are working and voting conservative for their ills. If only we gave them more free housing and Education they would become Productive citizens....Yeah that's not worked out for over 60 years.

And Maybe I'm romanticizing to a degree but give me the Salt of the earth hard working class over the intellectual elitist almost any day who things more money and education in the wrong fields is the answer.
 
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Yes on average college graduates do earn more but when you Sift out the Medical/Law/STEM and High Level CEO/VP's and such which make up a small percentage of college grad from the equation then you will find a different picture. Most of the studies as stated are based on averages and some don't even factor out that some College Grads end up in Blue Collar jobs but with the degree their income ends up on the college graduate side. It's a complex issue.

Take My GF she got a Cellular Microbiology degree and Graduated with Honors but with that said find a job in lab is Highly competitive and tough to do. So she went and got a RN degree to earn some good money. A lot of Degree's at all levels are not the end all to be all.

So yes I'm for Higher education......well except for Art/ All Social Science/Liberal Arts/Humanities/Political Science/Fine Arts and I'd even Lump in Education with that based on pay. But dang we need teachers....

But back to your original point and my disagreement....you clearly feel that those with higher education, which I have a crap ton of, in some ways are intellectually superior and more qualified in their voting preference. I 100% disagree with that, it's been my experience that the working class and self made business people seem to have a better grasp on how the economy works and the problems the gov. Causes. And how to fix it. As I stated on here before I'm a huge Thomas Sowell follower. He has it figured out and he walked in the Shoes of the Socialist before the data and science lead him down a different path.

I'm always appalled at how many well papered friends, co-workers and relatives of mine think that all the issues of poverty and such can be solved with more social programs, taxes, more gov. hand outs and that higher education will lead to a utopia.

All the while having teachers salary's, Social Workers Salary's and other Social Science fields employment.....and then begrudging that Truckers, Oil field worker, Structural Iron/Steel Workers ,Power line workers the Small and Big business owners who earn a lot more than they do. Then they tend to Look down on the Working Class poor, Wal-Mart workers, Waitress, etc. who are actually as you stated willing to work and sometimes getting by with a helping had....which I fully support that... But feeling sorry for and having loads of sympathy for the Homeless and non-working welfare takers and blaming those Who are working and voting conservative for their ills. If only we gave them more free housing and Education they would become Productive citizens....Yeah that's not worked out for over 60 years.

And Maybe I'm romanticizing to a degree but give me the Salt of the earth hard working class over the intellectual elitist almost any day who things more money and education in the wrong fields is the answer.
I'll bet the conversations at your dinner table are interesting. :oops:
 
Well My Dad would make most on here look conservative he was warped in the 60's by a Radical Commie Professor in college, Hates all corporations and Most of the Rich, dedicated his life to the Welfare system and it's benefits that's why I went into that field as well. Then I saw the light pretty quickly and all the lies and BS. Still wanted to help people so went into the Mental health field but....it's almost as Bogus as the other. Not as much but pretty near in a lot of cases..

My Aunt/Uncle are Old School Blue Dogs pretty liberal with Handouts and OK with More taxes for those programs, but not keen on the riots or defunding the police.

My brother is a Hardcore Capitalist works for a Big Corporation, his wife is a teacher both conservative so our his in-laws owned small business they will tell you flat out how the Gov. screws the small guy.

Oh My dear Mom is a Church going true believer and pure conservative watches FOX all the time and I enjoy Piizzing her off when I call out the BS, I do the same with Dads CNN watching. It's a hoot he has the TV in the Bedroom on CNN and Her in the Living room with Fox. Both Propaganda and I and my brother enjoy stirring the pot, when we are together. My GF is entertained at the discussions and fact throwing.....we use to have a full Set of Encyclopedia's to reference when we debated...Now google and smart phones make it faster.. Well except Dad he's got a Flip Phone and Desk top computer LOL. We debate everything from Sports to whether Hereford Cattle is better than Red Angus...

Now some of my friends are Pretty Radical Lefists....Believe all the BLM lies that 1,000 unarmed Black Men are Killed every year...it's around 12. They want the Gov. to own all or at least most property and means of productions. They think the censorship of opinions is OK if the ends justify the means of making the world safer and better.....I debate some of them but around some I just keep my mouth shout because Facts/Logic and Data mean nothing to them they are zealots. I like them but they are in the Radical Left cult. No use trying to get them out. They want total redistribution of wealth......They think the Rich should be forced to give up all their wealth at death, no inheritance, a huge tax rate of over 50% would be fine with them as well.

So yeah have a lot of fun bantering about...
 
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People without a college education vote the way they do because of their perceptions based on their experiences and what they have learned (factually accurate or not)...just like people who do have a college education. There is nothing inherently "wrong" or "right" about the way a person votes; a vote counts the same either way. However, if you check any study ever done, highly educated people inform themselves about policy issues at a much higher rate than those who are not highly educated.

This is for a variety of different reasons, not least of which is just having the time and desire and ability to do so. This is not something that makes the college educated "better" voters (remember, all votes count the same), but it certainly makes them more informed; which is not necessarily a bad thing. This is not to say that there are not vastly uninformed educated voters, because there most certainly are, but let's not pretend that it's even near the same rate. Also, taken as a whole electorate, Americans are horribly informed (and actively mis-informed on both sides) in general, so the college-educated aren't completely off the hook here.
 
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The Big issue I have is while the theory is college grads are more informed but are the college grads...more accurately informed on the policy's and issues not just more informed with the the information that is spewed by those in control of the narrative? That is hard to quantify.

We are clearly never going to agree on this issue because outside of My mistrust for the propagandist, Politicians, Gov. bureaucrats, Lawyers ....the next most distrustful lot is intellectual elites in higher educations. Don't twist this I read a lot of studies and even quote as most do studies that back my opinions....but in truth I have almost zero trust in the people doing them. They all have agenda's ,both sides, but the agenda of most academics is skewed very Left. Couple that with the Leftist control of the MSM and ....I guess I have huge doubts about how informed all these college grads are. Or at least how accurately they are.

Example: When you look at Polls democrats are way off when asked about the Danger of C19...a Mid March Poll 2021 ....when asked about the chances of being hospitalized and the Answer is 1-5% ..45% of republicans said that is was less than 10% which is in the ballpark only 26% of Dems where in the range.... The majority of Dem's have a different view the number one answer from them at a whopping 41% was that half or more people who get C19 end up in the Hospital. I get it if you read the NYTimes and watch CNN that is the narrative. But clearly lies...

Example: I referenced this Poll from Skeptics.com before..When polled about how many unarmed Blackman where shot and killed by police the Rep's at 46% got the answer right 10-12 in 2019. 34% of Rep. said below a 100 which it well is....Dem's #1 answer was to say about a 1,000 a year. The next answer at a 15% rate was 10,000..and another 8% thought it was more than 10,000 unarmed black men where shot by the police.

Example: Federalist Poll after the 2016 election of Donald Trump nearly half of Dems thought the Election was rigged. Around 42% -48% thought Trump was a illegitimate president. Now I know that more Rep. believe Trump was robbed than Dem's in the latest Poll 56-60% Rep. stated that was the truth. And I believe that to be the case. But really that is not that far of gulf in believing the false narrative.

I just don't see that Big a difference between the two groups and I often think the information fed the Dem. side is often more bent that that fed the conservative side.
 
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The Big issue I have is while the theory is college grads are more informed but are the college grads...more accurately informed on the policy's and issues not just more informed with the the information that is spewed by those in control of the narrative? That is hard to quantify.

We are clearly never going to agree on this issue because outside of My mistrust for the propagandist, Politicians, Gov. bureaucrats, Lawyers ....the next most distrustful lot is intellectual elites in higher educations. Don't twist this I read a lot of studies and even quote as most do studies that back my opinions....but in truth I have almost zero trust in the people doing them. They all have agenda's ,both sides, but the agenda of most academics is skewed very Left. Couple that with the Leftist control of the MSM and ....I guess I have huge doubts about how informed all these college grads are. Or at least how accurately they are.

Example: When you look at Polls democrats are way off when asked about the Danger of C19...a Mid March Poll 2021 ....when asked about the chances of being hospitalized and the Answer is 1-5% ..45% of republicans said that is was less than 10% which is in the ballpark only 26% of Dems where in the range.... The majority of Dem's have a different view the number one answer from them at a whopping 41% was that half or more people who get C19 end up in the Hospital. I get it if you read the NYTimes and watch CNN that is the narrative. But clearly lies...

Example: I referenced this Poll from Skeptics.com before..When polled about how many unarmed Blackman where shot and killed by police the Rep's at 46% got the answer right 10-12 in 2019. 34% of Rep. said below a 100 which it well is....Dem's #1 answer was to say about a 1,000 a year. The next answer at a 15% rate was 10,000..and another 8% thought it was more than 10,000 unarmed black men where shot by the police.

Example: Federalist Poll after the 2016 election of Donald Trump nearly half of Dems thought the Election was rigged. Around 42% -48% thought Trump was a illegitimate president. Now I know that more Rep. believe Trump was robbed than Dem's in the latest Poll 56-60% Rep. stated that was the truth. And I believe that to be the case. But really that is not that far of gulf in believing the false narrative.

I just don't see that Big a difference between the two groups and I often think the information fed the Dem. side is often more bent that that fed the conservative side.

I would love to see a comparison study of the fact-worthiness of stories run on liberal-leaning networks and news sources vs conservative-leaning networks and news sources. Of course, strictly speaking, the fact-worthiness isn't as big a problem as we like to think it is (particularly when it opposes our point of view, of course) in the biggest news organizations. It's the slimy, misleading commentary and rhetorical choices made that are the real problem and most people have a hard time differentiating between the facts and the commentary/rhetoric.

Another problem is that no matter what the findings would be of such a study, people supporting whichever side came up on the short end would never accept the findings, no matter how objective the researchers. To substantiate that point, I give you: Media Bias Chart, searchable, zoomable, etc.
 
The Big issue I have is while the theory is college grads are more informed but are the college grads...more accurately informed on the policy's and issues not just more informed with the the information that is spewed by those in control of the narrative? That is hard to quantify.

We are clearly never going to agree on this issue because outside of My mistrust for the propagandist, Politicians, Gov. bureaucrats, Lawyers ....the next most distrustful lot is intellectual elites in higher educations. Don't twist this I read a lot of studies and even quote as most do studies that back my opinions....but in truth I have almost zero trust in the people doing them. They all have agenda's ,both sides, but the agenda of most academics is skewed very Left. Couple that with the Leftist control of the MSM and ....I guess I have huge doubts about how informed all these college grads are. Or at least how accurately they are.

Example: When you look at Polls democrats are way off when asked about the Danger of C19...a Mid March Poll 2021 ....when asked about the chances of being hospitalized and the Answer is 1-5% ..45% of republicans said that is was less than 10% which is in the ballpark only 26% of Dems where in the range.... The majority of Dem's have a different view the number one answer from them at a whopping 41% was that half or more people who get C19 end up in the Hospital. I get it if you read the NYTimes and watch CNN that is the narrative. But clearly lies...

Example: I referenced this Poll from Skeptics.com before..When polled about how many unarmed Blackman where shot and killed by police the Rep's at 46% got the answer right 10-12 in 2019. 34% of Rep. said below a 100 which it well is....Dem's #1 answer was to say about a 1,000 a year. The next answer at a 15% rate was 10,000..and another 8% thought it was more than 10,000 unarmed black men where shot by the police.

Example: Federalist Poll after the 2016 election of Donald Trump nearly half of Dems thought the Election was rigged. Around 42% -48% thought Trump was a illegitimate president. Now I know that more Rep. believe Trump was robbed than Dem's in the latest Poll 56-60% Rep. stated that was the truth. And I believe that to be the case. But really that is not that far of gulf in believing the false narrative.

I just don't see that Big a difference between the two groups and I often think the information fed the Dem. side is often more bent that that fed the conservative side.
Wow, I wonder how a poll from the federalist was worded. MANY people thought there was
'interference' in the 2016 election. I don't know how many would say it was rigged, or stolen.
 
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