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Once again a bunch of hype by a few extremists. Americans are not going to stand for destroying Mt Rushmore.
 
There is a very strong movement afoot to rewrite history, tear apart the last semblance of unity we still possibly hold.

This fight had already started before Trump entered office, he was the reaction to this.

Methods of verification.

Talk to a college student that has studied Howard Zinn and listened to his idiot professor.

Watch CNN where they put Independence Day in scare quotes.

Listen to Tammy Duckworth a sitting United States Senator shift her position from 5 years ago from celebrating MR to possible pulldown.

Nancy Pelosi- we should have those conversations.

The 1619 Project written during his presidency as a reaction to Trump is warmed-over Howard Zinn has been adopted by many schools as a legitimate curriculum.
 
Once again a bunch of hype by a few extremists. Americans are not going to stand for destroying Mt Rushmore.

You are correct but good people are not worried about the Americans...it's the raging leftist "American" mobs that are the problem.

I'm pretty sure they don't consider their selves, and would actually be offended if you called them Americans.
 
Once again a bunch of hype by a few extremists. Americans are not going to stand for destroying Mt Rushmore.

If you call the Mainstream Media, Hollywood, and the Majority of the Democratic Party under 45 extremist then yeah ...your right.
 
So to be clear you are worried about history being erased and then complain when they point out the history.of the people on it and how we got that land. I thought we wanted to preserve history. I guess it depends on what history we are telling.
 
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So to be clear you are worried about history being erased and then complain when they point out the history.of the people on it and how we got that land. I thought we wanted to preserve history. I guess it depends on what history we are telling.

No. But you know this. I'm not worried about the bad part of history being erased. I'm worried about the history rewritten that is a lie.

A. People are calling for it to be blown up, covered up, and other smaller statues are being destroyed.

The Mount Rushmore monument was carved for the wonderful things these Presidents accomplished, not everything in their lives was considered. It's not a monument to slavery.

No question TJ had 600 slaves. He did not live up to what he wrote about for the United States in his lifetime. A life lived well short of his words, this can be applied to all human beings do to a degree.

TJ, slave owner, writer of the DOI, among other accomplishments, wrote the founding document that made the eradication of slavery possible. Words used by Lincoln and Douglas put America on its way to ending the great evil of slavery.
 
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TJ,Ben Franklin and Adams wanted slavery abolished by the declaration of independence. But many colonies for economic reasons wouldn't ever vote Yes for independence from the crown if that was the case. They had to forgo that issue, clearly TJ was a paradox and pragmatic to the issue. While he might of believed that slavery was wrong he wasn't willing to give up his station for the cause. He also paid some and allowed profit sharing as well...of course they where complacent in keeping their fellow brethren in line. The issue of the past is very complex and shouldn't be judged per say by us in the present.
 
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TJ,Ben Franklin and Adams wanted slavery abolished by the declaration of independence. But many colonies for economic reasons wouldn't ever vote Yes for independence from the crown if that was the case. They had to forgo that issue, clearly TJ was a paradox and pragmatic to the issue. While he might of believed that slavery was wrong he wasn't willing to give up his station for the cause. He also paid some and allowed profit sharing as well...of course they where complacent in keeping their fellow brethren in line. The issue of the past is very complex and shouldn't be judged per say by us in the present.
All of the TJ statue destroyers would have protested against slavery in 1776. Everyone was wrong except them. TJ wrote the words that ended slavery on this continent in less than 100 years. It's only been 165 years?
 
The issue I have with the left is that they lie about serious issue's in a effort to transform the country....Gun Deaths are statistical zero and no threat to the average citizen..but they want to disarm the nation. Cops brutality is also a statistical zero....but the Left Gin's it up like it's a daily issue and people are getting beat and killed on a regular bases by thousands of rogue Cops. White supremacy and supremacist are also a Big statistical zero...3,000 KKK members roughly 7,000 other white supremacist in various neo nazi, aryan nation groups, but the left acts like there is Millions upon Millions of hard core Racist oppressing minorities killing them at will with the support of the powers that be in a system meant to oppress. Then to really drive home the lie they move the goal post out to Pluto in a effort to make any opinion, action or view point that is different than theirs a racist or homophobic ideal.

First, I assume every time you guys say "left" that you use the word interchangeably with "democrat".

The radical extreme left who are causing all the ruckus right now are, as you say, a Big statistical zero as far as representing the great majority of the rank and file democrats. I guarantee you that 98% of ALL Americans do not agree with totally defunding the police, tearing down the monuments of great AMERICANS, taking your guns away, opening the borders, or any other stereotype you want to throw out there. That is total nonsense, and none of it is going to happen. That is equivalent to dems saying the all reps are white supremist. The extreme fringe exists in both parties, so in the political gamesmanship of today we attach every radical cause of both parties to the entire rank and file, and that is pure BS.

Both parties are splitting right now. My hope is a truly influential, moderate third party is born.
 
First, I assume every time you guys say "left" that you use the word interchangeably with "democrat".

The radical extreme left who are causing all the ruckus right now are, as you say, a Big statistical zero as far as representing the great majority of the rank and file democrats. I guarantee you that 98% of ALL Americans do not agree with totally defunding the police, tearing down the monuments of great AMERICANS, taking your guns away, opening the borders, or any other stereotype you want to throw out there. That is total nonsense, and none of it is going to happen. That is equivalent to dems saying the all reps are white supremist. The extreme fringe exists in both parties, so in the political gamesmanship of today we attach every radical cause of both parties to the entire rank and file, and that is pure BS.

Both parties are splitting right now. My hope is a truly influential, moderate third party is born.

The problem is that there are some issues on which some people feel so strongly about that they are willing to over look many of the flaws in a candidate to make sure they are elected for that one soul purpose. One that you hear more than anything is the selection of the supreme court and other judges, because our legislation body can be turned over so easily every four years, electing officials for the soul purpose of selecting judges to support your cause years after the person you voted for is gone has become the objective of many elections and one the candidates run on. This presidential race is less about policies and more about who gets to pick the next judge as they now seem to have become more powerful in shaping the direction of our country today and not our elected officials.
 
First, I assume every time you guys say "left" that you use the word interchangeably with "democrat".

The radical extreme left who are causing all the ruckus right now are, as you say, a Big statistical zero as far as representing the great majority of the rank and file democrats. I guarantee you that 98% of ALL Americans do not agree with totally defunding the police, tearing down the monuments of great AMERICANS, taking your guns away, opening the borders, or any other stereotype you want to throw out there. That is total nonsense, and none of it is going to happen. That is equivalent to dems saying the all reps are white supremist. The extreme fringe exists in both parties, so in the political gamesmanship of today we attach every radical cause of both parties to the entire rank and file, and that is pure BS.

Both parties are splitting right now. My hope is a truly influential, moderate third party is born.
Ok. Agreed. I won't call you a radical leftist.
 
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The problem is that there are some issues on which some people feel so strongly about that they are willing to over look many of the flaws in a candidate to make sure they are elected for that one soul purpose. One that you hear more than anything is the selection of the supreme court and other judges, because our legislation body can be turned over so easily every four years, electing officials for the soul purpose of selecting judges to support your cause years after the person you voted for is gone has become the objective of many elections and one the candidates run on. This presidential race is less about policies and more about who gets to pick the next judge as they now seem to have become more powerful in shaping the direction of our country today and not our elected officials.

Also, I think the presidential race has become one big popularity contest. It's not about the issues. It's about who looks and does better in front of the camera. Trump's appeal for many voters in '16 was a lot of "shock and awe" appeal, someone who didn't talk and act like a typical politician. Obama, Bushes, Clinton, Reagan, Carter - I think the moderates and undecideds in the end voted for the person they liked better on a personable level.

The debates are huge on personal appeal. I hate the way the debates are ran. How in the hell can you give a specific answer with details on something as detailed as an economic plan when you are given 90 seconds to answer? If you asked me about my foreign policy, for instance, I can BS my way for 90 seconds and hit all the talking points and cliches, and not really have a detailed, extensive plan on foreign policy. I wish they would let the presidential candidates talk for 10 minutes at a time, and give the opponent equal time to respond. Why should they only be given 90 seconds to explain complicated issues. Let's hear the in depth, extensive details of a candidate's plan and give each candidate a chance to fully explain their stance on the issues.

The debates are going to be fun. Neither candidate is strong on details.
 
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Also, I think the presidential race has become one big popularity contest. It's not about the issues. It's about who looks and does better in front of the camera. .
It is amazing you bring this up. Because all you ever do is complain about how bad the person Trump is. Never ever anything to do with his policies. Let's make it about policies then.

Why is Biden's policies better than Trumps for the country? And don't deflect. I know you're good at it.
 
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It is amazing you bring this up. Because all you ever do is complain about how bad the person Trump is. Never ever anything to do with his policies. Let's make it about policies then.

Why is Biden's policies better than Trumps for the country? And don't deflect. I know you're good at it.

Biden's Infrastructure Plan is an actual plan, not just telling Congress he wants $2.1 Trillion for YUUGE, "Biggest, best ever, MAGA" infrastructure spending...with no clear plan presented.

Investing in green energy is the future, whether you believe it's feasible or not, Biden's plan to put 400 billion into research and development on renewable energy sources is a step in the right direction.

@Stop n Go guess again.

https://joebiden.com/infrastructure/
 
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It is amazing you bring this up. Because all you ever do is complain about how bad the person Trump is. Never ever anything to do with his policies. Let's make it about policies then.

Why is Biden's policies better than Trumps for the country? And don't deflect. I know you're good at it.

Hey, I make no bones about it. My vote this election is for whoever is running against trump and I don't give one iota what you think about it.

He p*ssed me off from the get go with the tax cut for the wealthy. His big foreign policy "so called achievements" are all a bunch of vague, immeasurable pieces of useless paper. He's running the national debt through the roof, spending like a drunken sailor on shore leave. He has done NOTHING to try to unite the country, and everything to divide us. He led the reps to cheat their way through the impeachment process by having a trial that wasn't really a trial. He has totally blown the covid and the protesters. Every decision he makes is to benefit Donald Trump.

But #1 - he is a lying piece of crap every time he opens his mouth.
 
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Hey, I make no bones about it. My vote this election is for whoever is running against trump and I don't give one iota what you think about it.

He p*ssed me off from the get go with the tax cut for the wealthy. His big foreign policy "so called achievements" are all a bunch of vague, immeasurable pieces of useless paper. He's running the national debt through the roof, spending like a drunken sailor on shore leave. He has done NOTHING to try to unite the country, and everything to divide us. He led the reps to cheat their way through the impeachment process by having a trial that wasn't really a trial. He has totally blown the covid and the protesters. Every decision he makes is to benefit Donald Trump.

But #1 - he is a lying piece of crap every time he opens his mouth.
There will be a couple options other than Trump. Poor answer, but okay. I got a tax cut and I am not wealthy. I am assuming you got one as well.

HE is not running the national debt up. Congress is. And there is this thing called Covid that kind of added to that. Would've happened no matter who was president. But again, okay. And the Dems are really trying to unite the country? I'd love some examples of that. Cause enticing riots and the tearing down of statues unfortunately doesn't fall into my definition of "unite."

Cheated their way? There was 17 witnesses man. Sorry you can't pick the right ones. Defunding the police is a horrible idea. Whether you think that is what is happening or not is beside the point. Retirements are through the roof in NYC for police officers. Hmmm I wonder why? Think that billion dollar cut to their budget has anything to do with it? What about the murders, burglaries, shootings that have gone up? Still no? Okay. And funny you say covid is something he blew. America's doctor told everyone that sleeping with people you meet online is completely okay and that masks don't actually help at all. But somehow that is Trumps fault. I guess you forgot that he has donated his salary to help research for covid. PBS not tell you that?


Everything I just listed above are facts. Everything you said is strictly an opinion you have with no basis. That right there is the problem. You deal in opinions. I deal in facts.

Facts aren't on your side, so I see why you won't deal in them and stick to your opinions and "Orange Man Bad."
 
There will be a couple options other than Trump. Poor answer, but okay. I got a tax cut and I am not wealthy. I am assuming you got one as well.

HE is not running the national debt up. Congress is. And there is this thing called Covid that kind of added to that. Would've happened no matter who was president. But again, okay. And the Dems are really trying to unite the country? I'd love some examples of that. Cause enticing riots and the tearing down of statues unfortunately doesn't fall into my definition of "unite."

Cheated their way? There was 17 witnesses man. Sorry you can't pick the right ones. Defunding the police is a horrible idea. Whether you think that is what is happening or not is beside the point. Retirements are through the roof in NYC for police officers. Hmmm I wonder why? Think that billion dollar cut to their budget has anything to do with it? What about the murders, burglaries, shootings that have gone up? Still no? Okay. And funny you say covid is something he blew. America's doctor told everyone that sleeping with people you meet online is completely okay and that masks don't actually help at all. But somehow that is Trumps fault. I guess you forgot that he has donated his salary to help research for covid. PBS not tell you that?


Everything I just listed above are facts. Everything you said is strictly an opinion you have with no basis. That right there is the problem. You deal in opinions. I deal in facts.

Facts aren't on your side, so I see why you won't deal in them and stick to your opinions and "Orange Man Bad."

Our tax cut is due to expire in 2025. The tax cut for the wealthy and corporations has no expiration date and will continue, (at least until Biden repeals it). I wonder who that benefits more?????

Reps always talk about Obama running up the debt, but now it's Congress running up the debt. How convenient. Besides the fact that Trump was on pace to outspend Obama BEFORE covid, and Obama's debt included the bailouts from '08 recession. Trump's debt from covid is in addition to he debt he was racking up pre covid, including $10 trillion over 10 yrs from the tax cut for the wealthy.

Trump made one prepared, emotionless speech expressing sorrow the day after George Floyd's death. He hasn't mentioned it since or any other recognition of police violence against blacks in general. He has expressed no empathy. He is the president and is suppose to represent all Americans. Instead, all he talks about is the evil left wing rioters, anarchists, criminals, antifa, etc. Not one speech about how all Americans need to come together and
recognize that police violence against blacks exists and need to be addressed.

Trump failed to cooperate with the Russian investigation, instructed WH staff not to cooperate or testify, and Mueller report cited numerous obstruction of justice instances. Then, Trump's own hatchet man Barr decides what sections of the released report will be blacked out. The House portion of the impeachment was the investigative phase to determine if there was enough evidence to proceed to the Senate for trial, much as a grand jury determines if a trial is granted. The reps in the Senate under the encouragement of Trump predetermined before the trial ever started to refuse to allow additional witnesses and testimony. There was no trial. Only a sham led by trump.

NYC like every city will cut all city government agencies budgets.

"No worse than a cold" "15 cases will be down to zero in a couple days" "We have it under control" "It's going to just disappear one day" on and on.....

He is more than making up for donating his salary. How many millions did trump enterprises make off his self serving tax cut? How much is he making off his luxurious hotel across the street in DC? Totally illegal by the way. How much of our tax money is the entire trump clan living it up on golf trips and vacations? Pretty sweet deal when his brother gets a $33M contract. Ivanka gets clothing patents in China - she must have been doing some big time presidential advising that day. Ivanka, Jared, and Jr given cush jobs and living off the government teet while conducting trump family business. Somehow, I don't think they are going to miss humpty's $400K salary donation ploy, and are going to come out fine financially on the trump family White House.

Who does all of this benefit the most??? The lying piece of crap con man!!

Orange Fat Man lying con man.
 
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Expect another $1200 stimulus check this fall. King Orange Face Possum Hair will throw some crumbs to the peasants right before the election, as if he cares about the debt or the fact that it's our own money HE'S "giving" us.
 
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As I heard a teacher say today, do you think trump would be willing to spend all day this fall in a closed up 30' X 30' classroom with 30 coughing, sneezing, snotty nosed 8 year olds? Hell NO!!

Today he threatened to cut aid to any schools that don't open this fall. Bully boy at his best.
 
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Reps always talk about Obama running up the debt, but now it's Congress running up the debt. How convenient. Besides the fact that Trump was on pace to outspend Obama BEFORE covid, and Obama's debt included the bailouts from '08 recession. Trump's debt from covid is in addition to he debt he was racking up pre covid, including $10 trillion over 10 yrs from the tax cut for the wealthy.
This is just a flat out lie.

"If Trump remains in office for a second term, he planned to add $8.3 trillion for both terms."

This factors in the covid added debt already. Here is the link. I have posted this before, but of course you don't read it.

https://www.thebalance.com/us-debt-by-president-by-dollar-and-percent-3306296


Obama added 8.588 trillion in his term.
 
Trump made one prepared, emotionless speech expressing sorrow the day after George Floyd's death. He hasn't mentioned it since or any other recognition of police violence against blacks in general. He has expressed no empathy. He is the president and is suppose to represent all Americans. Instead, all he talks about is the evil left wing rioters, anarchists, criminals, antifa, etc. Not one speech about how all Americans need to come together and
recognize that police violence against blacks exists and need to be addressed.

Trump failed to cooperate with the Russian investigation, instructed WH staff not to cooperate or testify, and Mueller report cited numerous obstruction of justice instances. Then, Trump's own hatchet man Barr decides what sections of the released report will be blacked out. The House portion of the impeachment was the investigative phase to determine if there was enough evidence to proceed to the Senate for trial, much as a grand jury determines if a trial is granted. The reps in the Senate under the encouragement of Trump predetermined before the trial ever started to refuse to allow additional witnesses and testimony. There was no trial. Only a sham led by trump.

NYC like every city will cut all city government agencies budgets.

"No worse than a cold" "15 cases will be down to zero in a couple days" "We have it under control" "It's going to just disappear one day" on and on.....

He is more than making up for donating his salary. How many millions did trump enterprises make off his self serving tax cut? How much is he making off his luxurious hotel across the street in DC? Totally illegal by the way. How much of our tax money is the entire trump clan living it up on golf trips and vacations? Pretty sweet deal when his brother gets a $33M contract. Ivanka gets clothing patents in China - she must have been doing some big time presidential advising that day. Ivanka, Jared, and Jr given cush jobs and living off the government teet while conducting trump family business. Somehow, I don't think they are going to miss humpty's $400K salary donation ploy, and are going to come out fine financially on the trump family White House.

Who does all of this benefit the most??? The lying piece of crap con man!!

Orange Fat Man lying con man.
How many speeches on George Floyd has Biden made? And you want to complain about Trump not unify the country. Please show me one example of Dems trying to unify it.

Under the encouragement of Trump? Man you must know things the whole world doesn't know. I didn't know he spoke with every senator and told them what to do. What Trump did was no different than what Biden did. Except Biden's actually had a lot more money involved.

I absolutely hate the excuse that he is making more money off of this for his businesses. You do realize that he had ALL of these businesses before he even decided to run for President, correct? What was he supposed to do? Just fold all of them because he is president now? Okay man. Sorry he isn't a career politician like your boy Biden is. And you want to bring the Trump family into it, fine... What about Hunter? Joe's brother? Should we continue?

You're so caught up in the hatred for the person he is, you don't even see that the person you're about to vote for is just as bad, if not worse. He sniffs little girls hair for a living. He's been in politics for 40 years. Give me 3 things that he has done that has made this country and your life better. I will gladly wait.
 
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LMAO That's trumpy's own projection. I don't believe anything that lying piece of feces says.
No it is not. This website HAS literally nothing to do with Trump. It breaks down every president and their balance on national debt. Before Trump was even born man.

Stop being naive and admit you're wrong. JC
 
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As I heard a teacher say today, do you think trump would be willing to spend all day this fall in a closed up 30' X 30' classroom with 30 coughing, sneezing, snotty nosed 8 year olds? Hell NO!!

Today he threatened to cut aid to any schools that don't open this fall. Bully boy at his best.
Also, this is a horrible take.

First off, no where in the world is there a classroom filled with 30 coughing, sneezing, snotty nosed 8 year olds. So that is irrelevant.

And my wife is in a school district with 14,000 families and 22,000 students. A survey went out 2 weeks ago asking questions about whether or not they want their kids to go back to school. 75% want them back in the classrooms. And this is in St. Louis.

I already know exactly how the Ste. Gen community feels. I know a lot of teachers there, as do you. But obviously you and I would eat at separate lunch tables.
 
How many speeches on George Floyd has Biden made? And you want to complain about Trump not unify the country. Please show me one example of Dems trying to unify it.

Under the encouragement of Trump? Man you must know things the whole world doesn't know. I didn't know he spoke with every senator and told them what to do. What Trump did was no different than what Biden did. Except Biden's actually had a lot more money involved.

I absolutely hate the excuse that he is making more money off of this for his businesses. You do realize that he had ALL of these businesses before he even decided to run for President, correct? What was he supposed to do? Just fold all of them because he is president now? Okay man. Sorry he isn't a career politician like your boy Biden is. And you want to bring the Trump family into it, fine... What about Hunter? Joe's brother? Should we continue?

You're so caught up in the hatred for the person he is, you don't even see that the person you're about to vote for is just as bad, if not worse. He sniffs little girls hair for a living. He's been in politics for 40 years. Give me 3 things that he has done that has made this country and your life better. I will gladly wait.
Why is a speech about George Floyd not unifying the country?
 
You should ask your fellow Dems that question. I don't see Reps running around looting and destroying their cities.

Most are teenagers who don't vote. How do you know their political affiliation? I wish I had your crystal ball.

Yeah, we wouldn't allow young smart a$$ know-it-alls at our table in the lunch room.
 
Most are teenagers who don't vote. How do you know their political affiliation? I wish I had your crystal ball.

Yeah, we wouldn't allow young smart a$$ know-it-alls at our table in the lunch room.
How do you know they are teenagers and that they don’t vote?

If the shoe fits...
 
So Joe Biden's speeches = looting. I seemed to have missed that part of the speeches..
 
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