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The Supreme Court Is Preparing to Make Every State’s Gun Laws Look Like Texas’

DirtyDan17

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In 2010, the Supreme Court ruled that cities and states may not abridge “the right to possess a handgun in the home for the purpose of self-defense.” It has not heard a Second Amendment case since, leaving most lower courts to assume that the right to bear arms applies “in the home,” as the justices ruled. But on Tuesday, the court agreed to review a New York City law that limits gun owners’ ability to transport their guns outside the home. And it appears quite likely that the new conservative majority will, for the very first time, extend the Second Amendment beyond the front door and out into the streets, unleashing lower courts to strike down long-standing restrictions on the public carrying of firearms.

The case at hand, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. New York, is an ideal vehicle for gun-rights activists. Since 2008’s D.C. v. Heller and 2010’s McDonald v. Chicago, groups like the National Rifle Association have urged the courts to create a constitutional right to public carry. The goal is to prohibit the government from barring “concealed carry” and “open carry” of firearms, allowing most Americans to possess a gun in public, whether it’s hidden or flaunted. Results have been mixed. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit found a right to concealed carry outside the home. So did the 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. The 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, by contrast, found no Second Amendment right to carry a concealed handgun in public. And the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals has split the baby, upholding limitations on concealed carry while invalidating restrictions on open carry.

Despite this circuit split, the Supreme Court has declined to take a public-carry case and resolve the matter once and for all. The main reason appeared to be Justice Anthony Kennedy, who compelled Justice Antonin Scalia to add limiting language to the Hellerdecision establishing an individual right to bear arms. Given Kennedy’s wobbly support of gun rights, the conservative justices avoided taking a case that might result in a 5–4 decision upholding public-carry bans. Now Kennedy is gone, replaced by Justice Brett Kavanaugh, a gun-rights enthusiastwho takes a breathtakingly expansive viewof the Second Amendment. With a firmly pro-gun majority in place, the conservative justices finally seem ready to supercharge Heller.

New York State Rifle may well mark their first step into the breach. The case involves a New York City measure that forbids residents from removing their firearms from their homes, unless they’re taking them to an “authorized small arms range” or “shooting club” within city limits. (There are seven such facilities, including at least one in each borough.) Several residents challenged the law’s constitutionality, arguing that the Second Amendment protects their right to carry guns to other shooting ranges, competitions, and second homes outside the city. In 2018, the Second Circuit upheld the rule, noting that it does not “substantially affect the exercise of core Second Amendment rights”—self-defense with a firearm in the home. Now the justices will evaluate that decision and, I suspect, reverse it.

The case thus marks an effort to inch the Supreme Court toward establishing a right to public carry without forcing the justices to tear down hundreds of laws in a single, sweeping ruling. For a decade, gun advocates have been stymied by the language

in Heller and McDonald expressly limiting the Second Amendment to firearms “in the home.” The conservative justices, however, will probably use New York State Rifle to blur that line. If Americans have a constitutional right to take their guns to and from a firing range of their choice, after all, why shouldn’t they be allowed to transport them while traveling elsewhere? If the Constitution safeguards their ability to bring a firearm to and from their second home, why shouldn’t it also protect their right to carry a gun while running errands or visiting friends?

There are good answers to these questions. Right-to-carry laws, like those in Texas, appear to contribute to violent crime and increase homicide rates. Individuals carrying a weapon are more likely to escalate incidents of road rage and domestic conflicts into fatal shootings. Cities and states have a strong interest in curbing individuals’ ability to bring deadly weapons into the streets. And when New York City did allow residents to take their weapons to shooting ranges outside the city, the rule proved extremely difficult to enforce: Gun owners simply carried their weapons around and, when caught, insisted that they were heading to target practice.

So there are compelling interests bolstering the New York City law as well as public-carry bans more broadly. But these are interests that the Supreme Court seems poised to ignore. After all, Justices Clarence Thomas and Neil Gorsuch have already announcedtheir belief that the Constitution protects concealed carry. And the conservative justices brushed off public-safety concerns in Heller, writing that the Second Amendment “takes certain policy choices off the table” when the government seeks to protect Americans from gun violence. With Kennedy replaced by a hard-liner, we may soon learn that prohibitions on the public transportation of firearms are another “policy choice” the Constitution does not permit.

Once the Second Amendment is extended beyond the home, public-carry bans generally will be the next to fall. Lower courts, now packed with pro-gun Trump nominees, will swiftly tear down restrictions on concealed and open carry. A central premise of Heller and McDonald—that the Second Amendment protects handguns “in the home”—will be cast aside. New York State Rifle will be the first shot in a coming constitutional revolution.
 
In 2010, the Supreme Court ruled that cities and states may not abridge “the right to possess a handgun in the home for the purpose of self-defense.” It has not heard a Second Amendment case since, leaving most lower courts to assume that the right to bear arms applies “in the home,” as the justices ruled. But on Tuesday, the court agreed to review a New York City law that limits gun owners’ ability to transport their guns outside the home. And it appears quite likely that the new conservative majority will, for the very first time, extend the Second Amendment beyond the front door and out into the streets, unleashing lower courts to strike down long-standing restrictions on the public carrying of firearms.

The case at hand, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. New York, is an ideal vehicle for gun-rights activists. Since 2008’s D.C. v. Heller and 2010’s McDonald v. Chicago, groups like the National Rifle Association have urged the courts to create a constitutional right to public carry. The goal is to prohibit the government from barring “concealed carry” and “open carry” of firearms, allowing most Americans to possess a gun in public, whether it’s hidden or flaunted. Results have been mixed. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit found a right to concealed carry outside the home. So did the 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. The 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, by contrast, found no Second Amendment right to carry a concealed handgun in public. And the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals has split the baby, upholding limitations on concealed carry while invalidating restrictions on open carry.

Despite this circuit split, the Supreme Court has declined to take a public-carry case and resolve the matter once and for all. The main reason appeared to be Justice Anthony Kennedy, who compelled Justice Antonin Scalia to add limiting language to the Hellerdecision establishing an individual right to bear arms. Given Kennedy’s wobbly support of gun rights, the conservative justices avoided taking a case that might result in a 5–4 decision upholding public-carry bans. Now Kennedy is gone, replaced by Justice Brett Kavanaugh, a gun-rights enthusiastwho takes a breathtakingly expansive viewof the Second Amendment. With a firmly pro-gun majority in place, the conservative justices finally seem ready to supercharge Heller.

New York State Rifle may well mark their first step into the breach. The case involves a New York City measure that forbids residents from removing their firearms from their homes, unless they’re taking them to an “authorized small arms range” or “shooting club” within city limits. (There are seven such facilities, including at least one in each borough.) Several residents challenged the law’s constitutionality, arguing that the Second Amendment protects their right to carry guns to other shooting ranges, competitions, and second homes outside the city. In 2018, the Second Circuit upheld the rule, noting that it does not “substantially affect the exercise of core Second Amendment rights”—self-defense with a firearm in the home. Now the justices will evaluate that decision and, I suspect, reverse it.

The case thus marks an effort to inch the Supreme Court toward establishing a right to public carry without forcing the justices to tear down hundreds of laws in a single, sweeping ruling. For a decade, gun advocates have been stymied by the language

in Heller and McDonald expressly limiting the Second Amendment to firearms “in the home.” The conservative justices, however, will probably use New York State Rifle to blur that line. If Americans have a constitutional right to take their guns to and from a firing range of their choice, after all, why shouldn’t they be allowed to transport them while traveling elsewhere? If the Constitution safeguards their ability to bring a firearm to and from their second home, why shouldn’t it also protect their right to carry a gun while running errands or visiting friends?

There are good answers to these questions. Right-to-carry laws, like those in Texas, appear to contribute to violent crime and increase homicide rates. Individuals carrying a weapon are more likely to escalate incidents of road rage and domestic conflicts into fatal shootings. Cities and states have a strong interest in curbing individuals’ ability to bring deadly weapons into the streets. And when New York City did allow residents to take their weapons to shooting ranges outside the city, the rule proved extremely difficult to enforce: Gun owners simply carried their weapons around and, when caught, insisted that they were heading to target practice.

So there are compelling interests bolstering the New York City law as well as public-carry bans more broadly. But these are interests that the Supreme Court seems poised to ignore. After all, Justices Clarence Thomas and Neil Gorsuch have already announcedtheir belief that the Constitution protects concealed carry. And the conservative justices brushed off public-safety concerns in Heller, writing that the Second Amendment “takes certain policy choices off the table” when the government seeks to protect Americans from gun violence. With Kennedy replaced by a hard-liner, we may soon learn that prohibitions on the public transportation of firearms are another “policy choice” the Constitution does not permit.

Once the Second Amendment is extended beyond the home, public-carry bans generally will be the next to fall. Lower courts, now packed with pro-gun Trump nominees, will swiftly tear down restrictions on concealed and open carry. A central premise of Heller and McDonald—that the Second Amendment protects handguns “in the home”—will be cast aside. New York State Rifle will be the first shot in a coming constitutional revolution.

Very good chance SC ruling will confirm citizens rights to carry firearms at will just like the 2nd Amendment says.

New York went way too far when they basically made it against the law to have a gun in your possession outside of your home.
 
Very good chance SC ruling will confirm citizens rights to carry firearms at will just like the 2nd Amendment says.

New York went way too far when they basically made it against the law to have a gun in your possession outside of your home.
Yeah we really need to increase the likely hood of escalating a disagreement or road rage into gunfire in public places and the roadways. :(
 
Yeah we really need to increase the likely hood of escalating a disagreement or road rage into gunfire in public places and the roadways. :(
Glad you lefties are finally figuring this out .
Yeah we really need to increase the likely hood of escalating a disagreement or road rage into gunfire in public places and the roadways. :(
see you guys just have the logic all screwed up. All of the criminal element is out there armed to the teeth the way it is and they have no worries. If every little gray haired lady has a 1873 Colt in .45LC on her lap while she is driving all the idiots won't be so brave to be going off on people. There is a reason they are called a "Colt Peacemaker"
 
Glad you lefties are finally figuring this out .

see you guys just have the logic all screwed up. All of the criminal element is out there armed to the teeth the way it is and they have no worries. If every little gray haired lady has a 1873 Colt in .45LC on her lap while she is driving all the idiots won't be so brave to be going off on people. There is a reason they are called a "Colt Peacemaker"
You have some great logic to back up your claims. :rolleyes:
 
You have some great logic to back up your claims. :rolleyes:

The studies that exist seem to show that defensive use of a weapon is far more common that offensive use. A LOT of people are alive simply because they, or someone in proximity had a firearm.
 
Had a guy beating on my door and yelling at 2:00 am one morning. I got up and went to the door, shucking 2 shells into my Rem 870. He evidently forgot what he wanted, because he left.:cool:
 
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Had a guy beating on my door and yelling at 2:00 am one morning. I got up and went to the door, shucking 2 shells into my Rem 870. He evidently forgot what he wanted, because he left.:cool:
That has NOTHING to do what we're talking about here!! There's quite a difference in someone beating on your door in the middle of the night and someone pulling a gun on the highway or during a disagreement at bar? What if the guy knocking on your door needed some help and saw you coming with a gun, why would he stay to see what YOU were gonna do?
 
That has NOTHING to do what we're talking about here!! There's quite a difference in someone beating on your door in the middle of the night and someone pulling a gun on the highway or during a disagreement at bar? What if the guy knocking on your door needed some help and saw you coming with a gun, why would he stay to see what YOU were gonna do?

Then that guy can yell "I need help." and a reasonable person would help them.
 
That has NOTHING to do what we're talking about here!! There's quite a difference in someone beating on your door in the middle of the night and someone pulling a gun on the highway or during a disagreement at bar? What if the guy knocking on your door needed some help and saw you coming with a gun, why would he stay to see what YOU were gonna do?

I was refering to DD17's statement that firearm studies suggest that they are used more for defense than offense. In my case, I used a firearm to defend my home and family.

If that had NOTHING to do with his post, I apologize.
 
Then that guy can yell "I need help." and a reasonable person would help them.

Yep, I wouldn't be bothered by someone carrying a gun when they answered the door in the middle of the night. Who gets up and shoots anyone knocking on the door? Libs always create the worst possible scenario when reality isn't even in that realm.

Look at the early voting scenarios they create. If election day and absentee voting don't accommodate your needs, adding more days won't either unless your goal is to cheat the voting laws.
 
Yep, I wouldn't be bothered by someone carrying a gun when they answered the door in the middle of the night. Who gets up and shoots anyone knocking on the door? Libs always create the worst possible scenario when reality isn't even in that realm.

Look at the early voting scenarios they create. If election day and absentee voting don't accommodate your needs, adding more days won't either unless your goal is to cheat the voting laws.
Very good friend of mine in California let a Hispanic woman and child into his home one evening when they were beating on his door,,,the woman's husband kicks the door before Jeff can close it and shoots him in the face. Jeffs teenage son gets to a gun and takes care of the situation with deadly force.

NEVER let a stranger into your home no matter who or what. Call the cops and make them wait outside until the police show up.
 
Very good friend of mine in California let a Hispanic woman and child into his home one evening when they were beating on his door,,,the woman's husband kicks the door before Jeff can close it and shoots him in the face. Jeffs teenage son gets to a gun and takes care of the situation with deadly force.

NEVER let a stranger into your home no matter who or what. Call the cops and make them wait outside until the police show up.
THAT is why it wouldn't bother me if they brought a gun to answer the door. They aren't going to use it unless I create the need.
 
I person have to be stupid to open the door in the middle of the night without a gun
When did I say he had to OPEN the door? I said they saw him coming with a gun and left because ethyl had no idea what HE would do. We'll never know what he was there for.
 
When did I say he had to OPEN the door? I said they saw him coming with a gun and left because ethyl had no idea what HE would do. We'll never know what he was there for.
Well since they had no right to be on the mans property why should you care if they saw he had a gun and left???
 
Well since they had no right to be on the mans property why should you care if they saw he had a gun and left???
I don't care either way but he would be stupid to stay unless he had evil intent and was packing too.
 
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