Surprised this isn't being talked about. Fauci warns there could be not football

[bullitpdq68]

https://sports.yahoo.com/dr-anthony-fauci-warns-football-may-not-happen-this-year-140035502.html


Players will be at risk, and there’s not much the league can do to eliminate that. The NFL can put in procedures to minimize risk, but it can’t eliminate it. The same goes for football at all levels.

 

[Missouri Kid]

https://sports.yahoo.com/dr-anthony-fauci-warns-football-may-not-happen-this-year-140035502.html


Players will be at risk, and there’s not much the league can do to eliminate that. The NFL can put in procedures to minimize risk, but it can’t eliminate it. The same goes for football at all levels.

Yes, and unfortunately the farther down the pecking order you go the less financial ability exists to address the problem. Prognosis for a full and competitive season is diminishing.

 

[bullitpdq68]

Yes, and unfortunately the farther down the pecking order you go the less financial ability exists to address the problem. Prognosis for a full and competitive season is diminishing.

Yeah in the last two months since many of the lock down restrictions have been eased we have seen in some areas a doubling of rona cases. We are right next to Arkansas and that area has just had an explosion of cases. In fact Kansas just announced they added Arkansas as a travel restriction. So I just don't know how all this will play out for football at this point.

 

[Pancho and Lefty]

This may be a conspiracy theory, but many districts are expecting hard economic times. With the push back of the tax deadline, cuts to transportation funds from the state, and uncertainly of receiving CARES dollars, athletics is a place where school districts can save money. Our district has 2 high schools, no football in the fall means a savings of close to $90,000 dollars in coaching salaries alone. Add in support staff at games, officials fees, throw in volleyball, softball, XC, eliminating reconditioning and uniform rotation expenses, etc., and you could see the savings. Obv gate fees, concessions can offset some of that, but with the uncertainty of the health issue, plus economic woes in some places, I could see it happening. I sure hope I'm wrong.

 

[Bill_Shakespeare]

I think it just helps to remain hopeful. When you look at all the evolving models these guys put out, they’ve been consistently wrong. As far as looking at statistics go, it’s like arguing anything in sports, you can find ones that benefit your side and run with it. IMO..Fear of the unknown will be the cause of the a cancelled season more than Covid-19.

 

[Arcola]

Wonder what Jerry wants or thinks knowing Zeke has the Wuhan?

 

[bullitpdq68]

I think it just helps to remain hopeful. When you look at all the evolving models these guys put out, they’ve been consistently wrong. As far as looking at statistics go, it’s like arguing anything in sports, you can find ones that benefit your side and run with it. IMO..Fear of the unknown will be the cause of the a cancelled season more than Covid-19.

They have been off by some...but originally they predicted 200,000 deaths then revised it down to 100,000 and here we sit at 120,000 deaths. And many southern states where warm weather is supposed to kill are seeing huge increase in case counts. Which I am sure is due to more testing, but I think people getting sick is also driving up the testing.

 

[Arkansas_Laserback]

They have been off by some...but originally they predicted 200,000 deaths then revised it down to 100,000 and here we sit at 120,000 deaths. And many southern states where warm weather is supposed to kill are seeing huge increase in case counts. Which I am sure is due to more testing, but I think people getting sick is also driving up the testing.

Cases don’t really matter. But hospitalizations do and they are way up in Texas, Arizona, Arkansas, etc. The Phillies announced 8 of their players and staff tested positive in Florida and they are awaiting results from several more people. How will teams react when someone tests positive. Quarantine one person, test everyone every time and then carry on?

Is MSHSAA going to set a standard procedure for what each school must do if an athlete tests positive or let each school set its own rules?

 

[Arcola]

On school in general I was wondering if the kids will be required to wear mask?

 

[cru66]

They have been off by some...but originally they predicted 200,000 deaths then revised it down to 100,000 and here we sit at 120,000 deaths. And many southern states where warm weather is supposed to kill are seeing huge increase in case counts. Which I am sure is due to more testing, but I think people getting sick is also driving up the testing.

the new gov projection is 200,000 by october. were still in the 3rd inning of a 9 inning ball game. the fan entertainment side of a sporting event should be one of the last concerns for a society.

 

[cru66]

While I agree wholly, I cringe to think of not being able to attend our son’s senior football season.

understandable to a point and without being in your position i would be ignorant to know how yourself and family would actually feel regarding the disappointment.

 

[Mofan79]

This may be a conspiracy theory, but many districts are expecting hard economic times. With the push back of the tax deadline, cuts to transportation funds from the state, and uncertainly of receiving CARES dollars, athletics is a place where school districts can save money. Our district has 2 high schools, no football in the fall means a savings of close to $90,000 dollars in coaching salaries alone. Add in support staff at games, officials fees, throw in volleyball, softball, XC, eliminating reconditioning and uniform rotation expenses, etc., and you could see the savings. Obv gate fees, concessions can offset some of that, but with the uncertainty of the health issue, plus economic woes in some places, I could see it happening. I sure hope I'm wrong.

I think there would be a problem not paying coaches many of the duties they perform happen in the off-season I could see prorated contracts but doubt you could get away with not paying them anything

 

[Pancho and Lefty]

I think there would be a problem not paying coaches many of the duties they perform happen in the off-season I could see prorated contracts but doubt you could get away with not paying them anything

I know our district they don’t sign extracurricular contracts until a few weeks before the season. I would assume they will have provisions written into them if there is a shut down or stoppage this go around. In the spring they paid all coaches the full amount even though they only had two weeks of practice.

 

[Mofan79]

I know our district they don’t sign extracurricular contracts until a few weeks before the season. I would assume they will have provisions written into them if there is a shut down or stoppage this go around. In the spring they paid all coaches the full amount even though they only had two weeks of practice.

I’m sure it is different district to district but summer or a 12 month program was always put into contracts I’ve gotten it’s be hard for them to argue that away and I’m sure msta and mnea would step in at some point. Either way hopefully it won’t come to that

 

[Cards1968]

Took a drive through a canyon today and on the way we passed a full pads practice. Seems early, even with early start this fall.

Also, I fear all the sports positives these past two days may spell doom. Hope not.

 

[Missouri Kid]

Took a drive through a canyon today and on the way we passed a full pads practice. Seems early, even with early start this fall.

Also, I fear all the sports positives these past two days may spell doom. Hope not.

I have the same fears Cards.

 

[quadzilla200]

I teach in the KC area. Our kids attend a different district. None of the districts in KC are in status quo mode for fall. Virtual and hybrid learning formats are expected. Neither of which lends themselves to daily practices. The post above about the financial savings by not having the season is extremely important. The districts seem to be ahead of this planning for the worst when it comes to budgeting, probably because of the 2009-2010 aftermath. Colleges are the ones in real trouble.

Wearing masks solves a ton of the issues with scheduling staggered lunches, recesses, etc, but seems the hardest to implement. This country is really messed up right now though. QT's are all over and there might be 2 people in the store at a time wearing a mask. Masks work. The hairdresser in Arkansas that caught it didn't infect any of her patrons because she was wearing a mask. If people weren't such selfish a..holes and wore the mask around others this curve would've kept flattening. We shouldn't have shut the economy down. If we had required masks from the get go and let people keep doing their routines I don't think there would've been the rebellion against them that is now taking place.

The biggest issue facing the districts are buses.
1) There is a drastic bus driver shortage to begin with, and most of those that are bus drivers are the at risk population doing this as a part time retirement gig. They call in on snow days with little snow, which explains the number of snow days in recent years. I can't imagine their kids and grandkids want them driving 100 different kids passing within feet of them everyday.
2) The kids. 40 kids in a confined area.

 

[Arcola]

I teach in the KC area. Our kids attend a different district. None of the districts in KC are in status quo mode for fall. Virtual and hybrid learning formats are expected. Neither of which lends themselves to daily practices. The post above about the financial savings by not having the season is extremely important. The districts seem to be ahead of this planning for the worst when it comes to budgeting, probably because of the 2009-2010 aftermath. Colleges are the ones in real trouble.

Wearing masks solves a ton of the issues with scheduling staggered lunches, recesses, etc, but seems the hardest to implement. This country is really messed up right now though. QT's are all over and there might be 2 people in the store at a time wearing a mask. Masks work. The hairdresser in Arkansas that caught it didn't infect any of her patrons because she was wearing a mask. If people weren't such selfish a..holes and wore the mask around others this curve would've kept flattening. We shouldn't have shut the economy down. If we had required masks from the get go and let people keep doing their routines I don't think there would've been the rebellion against them that is now taking place.

The biggest issue facing the districts are buses.
1) There is a drastic bus driver shortage to begin with, and most of those that are bus drivers are the at risk population doing this as a part time retirement gig. They call in on snow days with little snow, which explains the number of snow days in recent years. I can't imagine their kids and grandkids want them driving 100 different kids passing within feet of them everyday.
2) The kids. 40 kids in a confined area.

I couldn’t agree more with you on the economy and wearing mask.

 

[MoSooner69]

This may be a conspiracy theory, but many districts are expecting hard economic times. With the push back of the tax deadline, cuts to transportation funds from the state, and uncertainly of receiving CARES dollars, athletics is a place where school districts can save money. Our district has 2 high schools, no football in the fall means a savings of close to $90,000 dollars in coaching salaries alone. Add in support staff at games, officials fees, throw in volleyball, softball, XC, eliminating reconditioning and uniform rotation expenses, etc., and you could see the savings. Obv gate fees, concessions can offset some of that, but with the uncertainty of the health issue, plus economic woes in some places, I could see it happening. I sure hope I'm wrong.

I guess this could depend what district you live in.. and to a small extent if Coaches sign Contracts or Letters of Intent (it varies by District) But I think most districts will pay coaches regardless of having a season or not, much like they did this Spring. If you are a district that chooses not to pay. Good luck keeping them when an attractive school that did pay comes calling.

 

[bullitpdq68]

I guess this could depend what district you live in.. and to a small extent if Coaches sign Contracts or Letters of Intent (it varies by District) But I think most districts will pay coaches regardless of having a season or not, much like they did this Spring. If you are a district that chooses not to pay. Good luck keeping them when an attractive school that did pay comes calling.

Yeah it seems to me that the precedent was set in the spring, how could you justify doing something different in the fall for those coaches?

 

[Pancho and Lefty]

Yeah it seems to me that the precedent was set in the spring, how could you justify doing something different in the fall for those coaches?

I get what your saying. I think sadly nowadays there are more and more districts who really don't care if coaches come and go, as long as the position is filled. I think the bottom line is finances, and for schools that are in trouble, if they can save a dime, they will be forced to.

Read this this afternoon

There’s nothing easy about the subject of funding and reopening sports. No one wants to repeat the spring season when sports were abruptly canceled and training and hard work were erased because of the pandemic.

But if there’s a spike in cases in the next month as coaches and players start to integrate again, school districts may have no choice but to cancel sports again.

And if that happens, why would Windsor need an AD, or even pay the coaches stipends for at least the fall sports season?

These are things Holland and the Windsor C-1 school board, and their counterparts elsewhere, will have to decide within the next few weeks.

“We paid our coaches last spring,” Holland said. “There will be wording on contracts going forward about pay in terms of how much of a season there is.”

 

[Stable_Genius]

If your QB and three o-linemen test positive, they are quarantined for two weeks, even if they feel great. Good luck making that work.

 

[Kenny56]

If your QB and three o-linemen test positive, they are quarantined for two weeks, even if they feel great. Good luck making that work.

Wouldn’t they only test positive if they felt bad? Unless I missed where they will test everybody every week?

 

[Stable_Genius]

Wouldn’t they only test positive if they felt bad? Unless I missed where they will test everybody every week?

If dad, mom, sister or brother get sick, I would think they would test the player???

 

[sw5890]

https://sports.yahoo.com/dr-anthony-fauci-warns-football-may-not-happen-this-year-140035502.html


Players will be at risk, and there’s not much the league can do to eliminate that. The NFL can put in procedures to minimize risk, but it can’t eliminate it. The same goes for football at all levels.

Yeah it's impossible to eliminate the risk and if that is the benchmark then there won't be school sponsored sports or other activities that are secondary to academics until covid is more or less over.

I was having some level of hope that sports would return if everyone started going about their business, summer school went well, etc. But summer schools have been kind of like driving a car with sugar in the gas tank and locally cases have blown up although from the sounds of it the vast majority are not 'sick' just testing positive. Carthage ended up cancelling the remainder of one of their summer schools because it fell apart after 2 kids tested positive. Part of the Jr high was temporarily closed as well. The HS weight room has been shut down temporarily I believe on two separate occasions. Joplin has had issues as well, I don't know about other districts but I suspect many have had similar experiences.

Coaches won't know which if any players they have from week to week. Half or all of the coaching staff could be put on quarantine at any given time. Teams won't know if they have an opponent week to week. I am not sure if there is any point in even trying as long as carpet bombing is the only tool available whenever there is a positive test.

 

[bullitpdq68]

Yeah it's impossible to eliminate the risk and if that is the benchmark then there won't be school sponsored sports or other activities that are secondary to academics until covid is more or less over.

I was having some level of hope that sports would return if everyone started going about their business, summer school went well, etc. But summer schools have been kind of like driving a car with sugar in the gas tank and locally cases have blown up although from the sounds of it the vast majority are not 'sick' just testing positive. Carthage ended up cancelling the remainder of one of their summer schools because it fell apart after 2 kids tested positive. Part of the Jr high was temporarily closed as well. The HS weight room has been shut down temporarily I believe on two separate occasions. Joplin has had issues as well, I don't know about other districts but I suspect many have had similar experiences.

Coaches won't know which if any players they have from week to week. Half or all of the coaching staff could be put on quarantine at any given time. Teams won't know if they have an opponent week to week. I am not sure if there is any point in even trying as long as carpet bombing is the only tool available whenever there is a positive test.

Yeah I was hoping that after summer got here and we started opening up that things would be good. Knock on wood case count has gone up, but I don't think right now we have any hospitalizations from these, or at least that is the case in our area. I do know in other states and hearing in north Ark that they have doubled with hospitalizations.....

All I know is covid blows....

 

[shoot90draw]

Yeah I was hoping that after summer got here and we started opening up that things would be good. Knock on wood case count has gone up, but I don't think right now we have any hospitalizations from these, or at least that is the case in our area. I do know in other states and hearing in north Ark that they have doubled with hospitalizations.....

All I know is covid blows....

I actually think everyone should get COVID-19. It did wonders for my health. I dropped 10 pounds, lowered my cholesterol, and lowered my triglycerides! Now if only science would make up its mind on immunity!

 

[sw5890]

Also saw this morning of 2 nearby schools in KS with issues. I think Cherryvale and Ft Scott. One closed the school after 1 student had a positive test. The other canceled all remaining weight training after a positive case. Makes you wonder how school at all will be able to happen. It won't when the whole school shuts down every time a kid, sick or not tests positive.

But I hope they find a way with or without sports because from what I saw and heard the distance learning was a total disaster. If education again falls on the shoulders of parents there may be a major revolt against the structure and funding of public schools.

 

[zonefire]

Cherryvale shut down the summer weights, drivers ed and cheerleading tryouts. I haven’t heard about ft Scott but they shut down pretty early in the spring. They’ve also got cases on the rise.

 

[MoSooner69]

Was in Independence and Cherryvale last weekend and saw little if any precautions being taken... Not really a big surprise.